#84 Nicholas Hammond Swings By To Talk The Amazing Spider-Man and The Sound of Music

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So not too long ago, I was reading the news. Specifically, I was reading an article from The Hollywood Reporter about Nicholas Hammond and the new Spider-Man movie, and everyone seems to take the Hollywood Reporter source step and made their own article out of that same content. I read it and thought to myself, I'm gonna have my book on Nicholas's people and see if Niklas wants to come on the podcast because I just want to talk with Nicholas. Sure enough, we arranged it we talked The Sound of Music Lord of the Flies, of course, the Amazing Spider-Man, the Brady Bunch. Nicholas also shared with me the whole story of meeting with Quentin Tarantino and landing the role and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, this interview has everything. I'm excited for you to hear it Everyone get ready for the Oh gee, Peter Parker and Nicholas Hamad himself. Enjoy.

All right, everyone. I'm excited to introduce you to my next guest, from Lord of the Flies from the sound of music from the Amazing Spider-Man, everyone's favorite web slinger. Nicholas Hammond.

Nicholas Hammond 6:48

Hey, Jeff, great to see you. Great to hear you. And see you.

Jeff Dwoskin 6:52

Great to just be with you. Thank you. Thanks. So fine. I do want to talk Spider-Man. It's the hot topic right now. But I want to lead up to Spider-Man, I want to get to Spider-Man, because you've got some great stuff that you've done. And I want to talk about that. Thanks. The first thing I'm really interested in is Lord of the Flies. Yeah. That was one of the first projects that you were a part of,

Nicholas Hammond 7:14

oh, yeah, it was my first I was 10. It was my first job. And I guess you could call it my first professional job. We boys were paid for being in the film. We were paid the princely sum of $10 a week, it was a 10 week shoot on the a little tiny island off of Puerto Rico called Vegas. And at the end of the 10 weeks, we were each given a crisp, a brand new $100 bill. And I've never felt richer in my life. Because when you're 10 years old, and someone hands you $100, especially 119 $61, you feel like you are you've hit Easy Street. Yeah. And the money had nothing to do with it. I mean, for us, I think for every boy on that film, and I stayed in touch with a few of them over the years, the chance to go to a desert island and sort of play cowboys and Indians with no parents around for 10 weeks. I mean, what kid is going to say no to that we had the best time it was a it was a wonderful experience. But on a more serious level. What it did for me was introduced me to people like Peter Brook who of course, I didn't know he was one of the great geniuses of, you know, direction in the world as he remains today at the age of 102. It was a wonderful kind of imprint into the brain. You know, when you think of the little baby duckling and it comes out of the shell, and the first thing it sees it thinks that's the mother. Well, for me, the first time I'd ever been on a film set, the person you followed was this great genius director who was kind, thoughtful, never raised, his voice was always interesting and interested in everything you were doing. And it just made me think this is a worthwhile way to spend your life doing work with people like this, who are serious about what they do, but also know how to have fun. I think it imprinted something in my brain. And so I came out of that film, thinking, Well, unless someone can show me something better. I think this is what I'm going to do. And you know what, 61 years later, no one's shown me anything better. So I'm still doing it.

Jeff Dwoskin 9:32

That's amazing. So I so that was my quote when you auditioned for it? Yeah, Peter Brook I read saw over 3000 Boy actors when choosing sobamazing that you got selected but had you not gotten set was this at that point before you fell in love with it and realize how great it was? Was it just something you were doing? Oh, I'm going to try this out. Oh, were you at 10 already? I'm going to be an actor like I

Nicholas Hammond 9:55

I thought about it because my mother had been an actress. My mother had been very 16 Actress in in England before she married my father, who was an American army officer over in London at the time, and she had a really good career, which she gave up when she married and then had my brother in me. But I used to hear stories my mother told about what it was like to do movies and what it was like to be in the theater, I met a number of her actor friends, and they all seem to be happy people, they all seem to be positive. They all seem to have wonderful stories and jokes. So as a child, I just kind of associated the word actor with people who were kind of full of life full of energy, full of kind of positive energy. So I had already I didn't really understand what it meant to be an actor, of course, but when I heard they were auditioning boys for Lord of the Flies. Yeah, I asked my parents, can I do this? Can I try out anyway? And I think they said yes. Assuming, as you just said, if there are 3000 Kids auditioning your chances of getting paid probably aren't that great, but why not audition? Why not have the fun of doing it. And as luck would have it, Peter chose me as one of the 30. So I felt very lucky to be chosen. And you know, I loved being in the film. And obviously, we didn't know when we were making it. I don't think anybody knew including Mr. Brock, you know that it would become one of the classic iconic films of the 60s. And a film that is still studied today and film schools around the world. But I just felt like it'd be in a

Jeff Dwoskin 11:31

no, totally. It's It's amazing. I mean, we'll get to your second iconic film in a second. So my question though, as a 10 year old Yeah, all of you are probably right around that same age. Yeah. Overtake it's a dark movie. I mean, two kids get killed in the movie. Yeah, yeah. It's a violent it's there's violence violent, right? It's, I mean, even today, when things go crazy, like the phrase, Lord of the Flies, yeah, I know. So you know, Peggy getting killed by the boulder. And then the other boy being? Yeah. So did that have any impact it like, did that what did that do to you all the young boys me because I it just seems like,

Nicholas Hammond 12:09

like, I know what you're saying. I know exactly what you're saying. And in fact, a lot of people not only at the time, but later, you know, express the same concern. In fact, funnily enough, there was a Time Magazine reporter who came down to the island while we were there. And I think he was there for about a week. And he wrote a piece in time afterward, saying every one of these 30 Boys is going to need serious psychiatric help. After this, well, we thought that was hysterically funny. Because, again, going back to Peter Brook, he took all of that out of it for us, we didn't know, we had no idea of what the subtext of this was, none of us had read the book, we weren't encouraged to read the book, it was treated as though let's play a game of capture the mountain, or let's play a game of cowboys and Indians. Today, you're going to be the good guys. And you're going to be the bad guys. And tomorrow, we'll swap. So it was kept on the level of, we're having fun, you know, we're pretending you know, it's like, if you're in your backyard, and you're playing cowboys, and Indians, you know, you're not really a cowboy. And the other guy isn't really an Indian, but for the sake of the game you pretend you are. And I think that was kind of the world we were in where it was kind of like, okay, those guys up there that are gonna throw piggy off the cliff. They're pretending to do that. It's a game. And anyway, we're all gonna have dinner with you tonight, who plays piggy, and we're all gonna laugh about it. And the boy who played Ralph, who also gets killed, and then we're gonna play a game of tennis with him tomorrow, while we're waiting to go on the set, it all stayed very much in a world of make believe. And you know, there was no method acting involved. There was none of that it was all just kind of like, and also, because we were kids, the difference between when we're actually filming and when we were just hanging out, it blurred, you know, it's like, okay, you're down there swimming in the surf, waiting. And then they say, Okay, now we're gonna do a shot of you swimming in the surf. Well, nothing's different, just do the same thing. So I don't think any of us ever took on i Well, all I can say is, I have never heard from all the reunions we've had from all of the conversations we've had from all of the 1000s of interviews I've done about Lord of the Flies. I have never heard a story about any boy on that film, who suffered any kind of psychological damage from being in it. And again, I'll just go back to Peter Brook. I think he set the the tone, and he obviously decided the way to do this with 30 Boys, none of whom who have ever been in the film before is treated like it's summer camp, but it's summer camp with a purpose. You know, we're working towards something. I mean, I'm sure there are summer camps where kids go to learn baseball or they go to learn sailing, and you know, you work towards that goal. Well, we were to summer camp. For our goal was to make a movie.

Jeff Dwoskin 15:02

That's right now it's the way you described it. It made sense. It was just but it's

Nicholas Hammond 15:06

a logical question to ask, because the follow on to that question really would be I think, could you make that movie today? And I don't think you could, I don't think child protection services and all the rules that exist today now in the film industry? Well, a you wouldn't know they wouldn't allow you to have 30 kids with no parental supervision. I mean, we had a bunch of drunk backpackers who were our so called guardians who would like disappear at seven o'clock, and we wouldn't see them again until the next morning, but it didn't matter. And we were sleeping on army cots in an abandoned parent pineapple factory, that probably wouldn't be allowed either. And, you know, and as you say, the violence so thank God, we made Lord of the Flies when we did, because I really honestly don't think I mean, I sometimes wonder about that some of the some of my absolute what I think are some of the best films from the 60s and 70s. A film like taxi driver, I'm really not sure whether you be allowed to make taxi driver today. The regulations have just changed so radically since those days, the good story is we're all fine. And we're all thrilled to have been in it. Fantastic.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:15

So from being stranded on an island, your next iconic movie, you you went from being stranded on the island to escaping the Nazis. Yeah. The Sound of Music.

Nicholas Hammond 16:28

And again, this seems to be my fate in life, again, the film in which they audition 3000 Kids, possibly more around the world. So once again, I was incredibly lucky to get that role that really changed my life. Well, I think, I think and in fact, even Julie will admit this, it changed all our lives. That was one of those things where you come out of that movie, and you're the same person you were before, until the day The movie opens. And the day The movie opens, everything changed for all of us. And is remains so to this day, girls who played my sisters in the film, and the boy played my brother, we still say that that was it. I mean, nothing will ever compare that for any of us. It was a huge blessing to be in something as wonderful as that

Jeff Dwoskin 17:19

quick question. How do you solve a problem like Maria?

Nicholas Hammond 17:24

Maria doesn't need solving if she's played by Julie Andrews because Julie Andrews, he's practically perfect in every way. Yes, yes. The other question I've been asked all my life is why do I think the sound of music has been so successful and is withstood the test of time and is more successful now than it ever was? And my answer, always these two words, Julie Andrews, and it would take a very brave person to try to remake that film with anybody else, because it was one of those kind of perfect alignments of the stars of Mr. Wise choosing Julie Andrews to play that role. Just at a time when Julie was at exactly the peak of her voice, the peak of her skills, you know, as a dancer, as everything and ready, ready to really take a big bite of the apple and go for the big roll. And she'd done Poppins. But Poppins hadn't been released yet. She had the freedom of no one knowing who she was. So there wasn't the expectation on her. That would come of course, as soon as the movie opened, Julie walked on the set, I can remember the very first scene we shot was the thunderstorm scene where we're all in bed with her and she seems favorite things. No one knew who she was. I mean, no one on the crew knew who she was. I knew who she was because my parents had taken me to see her on stage in My Fair Lady. So I'd seen this extraordinary talent perform as Eliza Higgins in My Fair Lady, but none of the other kids knew none of the other actors knew which in a way free Julia no one was expecting anything of her. So she just kept every day amazing everybody where everyone's going, who use this, you know, where did this woman come from? And she was, as we know, you know, she was just brilliant in the film.

Jeff Dwoskin 19:20

Oh, just barely. I can't even I can't imagine what a masterclass that must have been.

Nicholas Hammond 19:24

It was a masterclass in so many ways. As I said before about Peter Brook who showed me how a director should behave. Julie showed me how a star should behave. She was there before anyone else in the morning, you know, we had months of rehearsals. So let's say we're rehearsing Well, the Doremi sequence which we rehearse forever, because it was such big sequence, where you'd get there in the morning to start rehearsal Juliet already been there for 45 minutes before everyone else in her leotard doing the dance steps on her own. Everyone else would go at the end of the day. A Julie would stay and keep working on her own. And it impressed in me again, you know, these are the lessons you learned I was 13 and a half when we started and 14 when we ended. And I've never forgotten that, listen, I've never forgotten that if you're ever given the big job, if you're given the job of where you carry the show, this is how you behave. This is how you lead from the top. Because Julie never complained, no one complained, because no one had the workload she had was a wonderful and I told her that just quite recently, I saw her not that long ago. And I reminded her of what a gift she gave me as a as a young aspiring actor have the correct way of behaving. And when I see people behave in inappropriate ways, I have no sympathy. People say, Oh, they're under a lot of pressure. Oh, well, you know, I say no, no, no, sorry. No excuse. No excuse. Because I know who doesn't do that. And if she doesn't do it, they don't have to do it. So I've never had any tolerance for that kind of movie star diva behavior, because it's just not necessary. It wastes energy.

Jeff Dwoskin 21:11

How nice that you had such an amazing role models so early. Yeah, I always get a kick out of being able to tell people things like you just mentioned, you were able to tell Julie Andrews that I think it's so important for everybody to do that and kind of share because people don't realize always how they touched other people. Yeah,

Nicholas Hammond 21:30

I absolutely agree with you. And you know, I've had people come up to me and say, Oh, look, I'm sorry to bother you. But I think don't be sorry to bother me. You know, if you've got a personal story about what the sound of music meant to you. And I've heard 1000s of them. I'm here to hear it. That's what you should do. You I can't tell you the joy that gives me when you say my grandmother was in the hospital, and we knew she was going but her last wish was she wanted to watch the sound of music. So we all gathered around the hospital bed and watch the movie with her. And they're apologizing for telling me and I think are you kidding me? How many actors in the world have been in movies where it has that effect on? I'm the most privileged person in the world, that I've been in something that gave that much joy to that many people, you know, and continues to to this day? I think you're right, Jeff, I think it's an important message to send out that if something has touched on it, not just for actors having it's probably for everybody, doctors, lawyers, whatever teachers, certainly teachers, if something they did something was significant to your life. Tell them just tell them?

Jeff Dwoskin 22:38

Absolutely. I remember son music would be the one of the is what was one of those movies that and like the Wizard of Oz, it would just play. They played it every year. And you ever Yes. Amazing. We always beat my grandparents and the son of music, what it's like 12 hours long, right? And well, three, right, you know, for a kid when you're six as long. Yeah, exactly. I remember we'd always want to we didn't want to stop watching. And it was always an excuse. So we could stay and sleep over your grandparent and continue to watch it. I don't even know how many times I've seen it I do know is one of the I know, first DVDs that I bought. I remember,

Nicholas Hammond 23:12

I've had so many people with little kids tell me it is the electronic babysitter. It's like if you need a timeout from your three year old, put them in front of the TV and put in The Sound of Music and they will sit there transfixed for hours.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:27

So I just have to ask you to say I'm Frederick, I'm 14. I'm impossible.

Nicholas Hammond 23:32

That's right. Yes. Well, I know. And that still applies.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:37

I did meet Angela Cartwright once with that had been in the comments. I met her at a comic con. Yeah, she does

Nicholas Hammond 23:43

more of them because she's got the kind of Triple Threat of Sound of Music lost in space. And what's the other one? And so when she goes with her sister who was in the birds, Ronnie was in the birds and so they quite often goes a double act to Comic Cons, which you know, the fans love.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:00

Yeah, that's awesome. I had her sign loss in space because it was like a lost in space theme. The Comic Con thing. Oh, really? Mommy was there? Oh, sure. And June Lockhart, probably next year. She was right. I had to bring it back to get hers. Oh, I see. Very cool. Yeah, it's so cool. So cool. So

Nicholas Hammond 24:19

well if they ever do if they ever do a Spider-Man, Comic Con. I'll be turning

Jeff Dwoskin 24:24

up. Let me connect you with the motor city folks. Oh, that'd be cool. I'd love that. You send your managers info to them. Yeah, great. Oh, and I'll just say Nick listen insists I run the panel and we'll go from there. Oh,

Nicholas Hammond 24:37

no question Jeff. I'm not doing it unless you

Jeff Dwoskin 24:41

Nicholas will be there. We can do a q&a We'll put it right in the contract. Jeff Dwoskin must be there. Yeah. The other I guess quick iconic thing before we get to Spider-Man is Doug Simpson from The Brady Bunch.

Nicholas Hammond 24:54

Yeah. Which took me and I think that the world entirely by surprise you I mean, this is the this is the kind of charm in a way and yet completely random thing about being in this business jobs that you think at the time are kind of completely journeymen jobs you drop in as a guest on one episode of The Brady Bunch. And I mean, I was thrilled to do it because the Brady Bunch was you know, at that point it was like American you know, it was a sacred show you that in the Waltons, which I also did several of them. But there was another reason I really wanted to do the Brady Bunch is my episode was directed by a guy named Jack Arnold and Jack Arnold. I'd seen a couple of movies Teton, he was actually a really seriously good director. And he was just at a point in his career where it was a bit older, and he you know, he wasn't getting doing movies anymore. But I thought check on all these major, major director, I really like to do this. And they said, you know, you're playing a high school kid and they said, You do know my 23. I said, I'll be the oldest high school kid in the history of the world until I saw John Travolta in Greece. And then I realized, no, I'm not the oldest high school kid in the history of the world. I love doing it. You know, it was fun. It was just like a fun job and you don't think anything of it at the time. And suddenly, it just snowballed. And you know, the comic cons I did. I would have as many people come up and ask me to sign Doug Simpson pictures as Spider-Man pictures. Just it was astonishing to me. You know, when I speak to Maureen occasionally. And you know, and and we talk about maybe doing something together, but it was hysterical. And I think I don't I don't deserve to be put up there with these kids who did like 9 million episodes. I did one and the one episode I did they turned into a Broadway play. And they did the subject was roses noses as a Broadway play. So who knows? Who knows what becomes popular and what does well, it's it has

Jeff Dwoskin 26:51

some iconic pieces to it. Like the aisle, my nose, I think is a popular meme or gift

Nicholas Hammond 26:57

and something just something just came right? Something

Jeff Dwoskin 26:59

suddenly, something suddenly came off or whatever Right? Was it also was that trying to remember if they parodied that in the original Brady Bunch movie? I can't remember. I was just

Nicholas Hammond 27:10

I didn't see the movie, but I know that I know that phrase. But of course, you know, it was a little morality tale. I mean, she dumped the guy who was the nurse our lady to go out with me. And then she got her comeuppance. So it was kind of like, you know, the story was, well, as you sow, so shall you reap.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:29

Right, right. You were the the cool football player. She was Yeah. Smart. Yeah. Smarsh out and then when her nose was swollen for like, five minutes, her nose is swollen. Exactly. I

Nicholas Hammond 27:40

know. He's suddenly

Jeff Dwoskin 27:42

with you. Your nose. I got a rap.

Nicholas Hammond 27:46

Yeah, I was the big I was the big man on campus. And what were the varsity letters, sweater and all that stuff. I do remember all that.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:55

Man, too funny, too. Yeah, good stuff. So I do

Nicholas Hammond 27:58

remember I had a pretty cool little car a little like a little triumph or a little mg sports car, which I thought was pretty cool. And it was fun. I mean, I never got to meet most of the cast because I really only worked with Maureen. You know, I didn't really I never met Shirley. I never I Well, I'd worked with Robert reed on two other shows. I didn't meet him on on Brady Bunch. I didn't meet uh, you know, Alice, I didn't meet any of the kind of regulars. Oh, I met Barry. I met Barry. He was he was there when I'm working here. And but you know, so I kind of feel like I was parachuted in and then pulled out without ever really being a part of the show.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:33

Right? Yeah. Most of your scenes were at school. So it was I think it was just right when Barry Williams was with marine.

Nicholas Hammond 28:40

Yeah, Barry was there and then some a couple of other girls who were like friends of Marines.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:45

Right. And then Eve plum way you wrote this down and this is Oh, you Dr. Marsha home. That's right. And then when she gets out of the car, you say you make the car look good Marsha. And I was I wrote that down because I'm like, smooth. You are. So

Nicholas Hammond 29:01

I'll have to watch it again. I'd forgotten I said that. But it's a pretty cool line. You've got to admit,

Jeff Dwoskin 29:04

oh, it's great. Yeah, there was a there was like a 10 minute clip of all your scenes. If you type in Doug Simpson Brady Bunch, you'll find where they took out the other 15 minutes. Oh, it's just your thread?

Nicholas Hammond 29:17

Yes, me. It's a trivia trivia.

Jeff Dwoskin 29:20

Exactly. All right. So let's talk Spider-Man. This is this is seven year old Jeff. Like if I could go now to seven year old Jeff and say one day, Jeff, tell me you're gonna meet Spider-Man, Peter Parker. So this is a big deal. I have great memories of this show. I loved watching Spider-Man like most kids was my favorite. And so to see a live action version of it. Amazing. I loved it. So I'm excited to be talking to you about this. And just for everyone listening. Nicholas denies being in the new Spider-Man movie just like Andrew and Toby deny it.

Nicholas Hammond 29:57

Yeah, well, that's what we were told to do.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:01

The whole kinds of the multiverse opening up maybe that because they're gonna be doing there's gonna be million of those episodes. Yeah. So that'd be exciting. So talk to me about landing the role of Peter Parker slash Spider-Man.

Nicholas Hammond 30:14

A, of course, nobody knew we were really kind of going through uncharted waters, because at that point, the only thing that had been on television even remotely like it was Batman. And I wasn't interested in doing a show like Batman it that just didn't. I thought, that's just not me. I thought there's nothing wrong with it. It's, you know, it is what it is. But you know, it's camp, and it's making fun of it. And it's kind of grown men behaving like they are cartoon characters. And I, funnily enough was doing a play in LA. And unbeknownst to me, the people who had CBS Studios, they've been looking to do a pilot of Spider-Man, so they were looking for the lead. They were looking for a Peter Parker and somebody weathers casting director of one of the producers, they saw me in this play, and my agent called and said, Look, they want to meet you, they're doing Spider-Man. And of course, all I could think of was they're doing a remake of Batman. And I thought, I just don't think I'm the right guy for that. Or I thought they want some guy who looks like Lou Ferrigno, you know, they want just some huge muscle bound, you know, weightlifter, they want Arnold Schwarzenegger, and I said, really? And he said, we'll just go take the meeting, you know, see? And I thought, Well, okay, so I went in, and I said to them off the top of, you know, before we even started, I said, look very nice to meet you. But I said, I'm just going to confess to you, I don't think I'm a guy who can play that kind of bang whoosh with a guy. And they said, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what we want. They said, We want a guy who looks completely believable. We want to die, where the audience forgets, they're watching a guy with superpower, we want them to get completely engrossed in Peters story, and in Peters life and his problems and his issues with his job with his college with the girl he cares for. We want them to forget, this is a show about a superhero. And then I thought, okay, okay, that's interesting. That's interesting. That's more my wheelhouse of what I might be able to do. So we talked some more, and we talked some more, I can't remember if I tested for it. I don't think I did, funnily enough. No, I don't think I tested for it. I think I think we put something down on film, but I don't know. Anyway, for one reason or another, they offered me the job again, going into it, I thought, I have no idea what I'm doing here. This is completely new for me. I just come from doing some, you know, play Oscar Wilde play. And that was the kind of actor I was and and suddenly, I'm being fitted for these red and blue suit lycra costumes. And I'm thinking, what am I doing here? You know, I'm going to make a fool of myself, they're going to realize they made a terrible mistake hiring me. But I thought, Well, I mean, now I better keep going. We all just kind of figured it out as we went. I mean, the other thing was, which was a decision they made, which I think was the right decision. Unfortunately, it was not a decision Stan Lee liked, but it was a decision that I think was absolutely the smart thing to do was, since they had this premise of it wanting to be grounded. In reality, they weren't going to have green goblins and monsters that look like giant, you know, tarantulas and they were going to have real villains, as in drug dealers, smugglers, people who are trading in nuclear waste. In that way, it was going to become sort of like a crime show where what Peter was using his powers for were to stop evil, genuine evil, not made up evil of monsters, but evil as in real evil that exists on planet Earth today. And, and I kind of, well, I love that because it just meant as an actor, I was working with really good actors, you know, Robert Alda, and all these guys who were playing the bad guys. And they it was just like a whole kind of phone directory of, of these kinds of wonderful character actors. They were still around in Hollywood in those days. So that was how we went and I absolutely loved it. Jeff, I love doing the show. I just love doing the show. I loved it for so many reasons. For one, I thought it had a good message. And I thought this is good for kids to see that if you are given this power, use it for good. I mean, Peter could have used his power to rob banks. He could have used it to do whatever he wanted. And instead he used it to help people. So that I liked. I also to be frank with you. It ticked a box on the bucket list that I think secretly every actor has, which is to have your own primetime series. And I don't know many actors who secretly don't wish that they could have their own series. And you know, I started a play on Broadway, I'd done the sound of music. The one thing I hadn't done on, I'd played a million guest roles on TV, but I'd never had my own show. And this was it. And I just thought, this is an experience, every actor dreams of getting where it's your show. And so I loved it for that reason as well, which might be sort of egotistical. But it was also kind of like facing a challenge, and meeting the challenge, because there's something very sobering about walking on a Saturday morning, and there are 150 people, and all their jobs depend on you. If you're bad, and the show gets canceled. They're out of work, when you're 27. That's a lot. And yet, I was really happy to be given that position. So those are all the reasons I liked it.

Jeff Dwoskin 35:52

So tell me as a follow up to your earlier comments, as the main guy on the show as the main star of The Amazing Spider-Man, how did Julie Andrews influence you on the set of The Amazing Spider-Man,

Nicholas Hammond 36:06

well done you for making that because that that is exactly where it came into play. Because suddenly, for the first time, I was that guy. And so I would like to think, and from what I've heard, and feedback from members of the crew and actors who worked on it, I would like to think that I carried that same attitude in and I tried to be a person who made everybody on the show feel important and valued. And welcome. Because you know, when you're doing a weekly series, the directors change every week, you no longer have like the director who is the top guy as they are on a film. And that's the you know, that's the pecking order. But on a series, it really is the lead who is because he's the only one or she is the only one who's there, every week that everybody looks up to, I mean, your directors are coming in and out, you know, your guest stars are coming in and out. But the rock on the show is the leader. So if we would get a new member of the crew, or indeed a new guest star, which we would have every week, I would make a point of going knocking on their door, introducing myself welcoming them to the show, because I know what it's like to guest star and you can feel very lonely as the new kid in school, if everybody else is kind of like they're all tight as can be because they've worked together and you're just kind of like, you know, feeling like the kid in the school cafeteria, who no one wants to sit with. And I would make a point of making sure they didn't feel like that. And it pays off. Because then their work is better. You know? So it's not entirely altruistic, it actually helps the show to have everybody feel valued. Very cool. Yeah. But I did get that from Julie. You're right. That was an absolute follow on from her. And I would like to think I pass that example on to people I've worked with over the years. In fact, I know I have because I've been told I have so you just keep passing the torch down the line.

Jeff Dwoskin 38:08

That's great. There is no greater good deed than being a good role model.

Nicholas Hammond 38:13

I think so i think yeah, I agree with

Jeff Dwoskin 38:14

you before you became Peter Parker. Spider-Man, were you a big Spider-Man fan.

Nicholas Hammond 38:19

I can't pretend I was. I mean, I knew who he was. I read Spider-Man comics, but probably no more than reading Superman comics or Batman comics. It became a revelation to me once I started doing the show of how enormous his fan base was, I think was a revelation to everybody. The people who were most surprised were CBS, CBS Television, when it became the highest rated show pilot of the year with a 37 Share, which they had never had for anything. And I don't think anybody realized how many Spider-Man fans that were out there. And of course, obviously, over the years because it's again become sort of a part of my life, I become much more aware the following and and and I become much more respectful of why people like the character as much as they do.

Jeff Dwoskin 39:08

What did it feel like being dressed up as Spider-Man? Like when you're on the set? And you're Spider-Man? Yeah, the scenes where your spider-man? I don't know, to me that. Like, when I picture I'm like, it must have been like, like, all of a sudden, you're like this superhero. It's like, it's just,

Nicholas Hammond 39:22

yeah, yeah, you do. I mean, it is it? Well, you just have to assume that. I mean, you just have to, you just think okay, this is it. This is who I am now have to be. And I mean, the great thing was, is that, again, it didn't involve a physical transformation. You know, I could still just be me inside the suit. I didn't have to have a lot of fake biceps and fake abs and all that I could just be me but me with that extra layer of somebody who is now carrying with him both the burden and the responsibility of the power. And so I just tried to layer all that into it and it is always me. In the suit, if you ever see a scene in which Spider-Man is interacting with other actors, because I never let this I mean, the stunt man would do the stunts because well, he was better at than the man also, we just didn't have time, you know, we would have an a crew that would follow me around in a big crew that would be with the stunt man, I never would let actors work with the stunt man, if there was a scene where actors had to speak and there was dialogue, I always that was one of the few things where I kind of pulled rank and would say, I don't care if it takes longer. I don't care if we have to reset, I'm not going to have them work with Freddie because bless Freddie's heart, he's really great at climbing a building. But he's a terrible actor, so I can't have those actors have to interact with just as I would be a terrible guy climbing a building. You know, we each had our own corner.

Jeff Dwoskin 40:50

That's pretty cool. And Fred, wow.

Nicholas Hammond 40:52

Yeah. For anyone ready? Wow.

Jeff Dwoskin 40:54

Those are intense stands for the time.

Nicholas Hammond 40:56

Let me tell you. I mean, again, I don't think you could get away with doing what Freddie did them. I mean, he was fearless. He was completely fearless. He'd spent some time working in in the circus as a high wire artist, and he just had that thing in his brain where he had absolutely no fear of height at all. You know, I mean, I did seams up on rooftops, which were fine, but like he get a bit close to the edge. And you know, I could feel the back of the knees starting to get a little funny at the you know, I really don't want to get right on the edge. Thank you very much. You know, we're 90 stories up, I really don't want pretty, no problem, right to the edge, and then just go over the edge on a cable, you know, some tiny little thin cable that was on a harness under his suit. And I thought my god, I always remember we were in the Empire State Building. And we were up on the 69th floor. And they just opened a window and Freddy went out the window on the 69th floor of the Empire State Building. And but I mean, he was he was brilliant. He was a brilliant Summit. And I get so annoyed when everybody says oh, well, it was all CGI, wasn't it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no CGI. It's ready. Climbing a building pretty on a rooftop Freddy swinging from one building to another. It was real. He really did

Jeff Dwoskin 42:14

it. Yeah, I don't think that CGI back then. Did they

Nicholas Hammond 42:17

know they didn't exist? And they had kind of really, really, really lame blue screen, which we tried using once. And it was so terrible that we just gave up. No, it was just Fred doing it. If they'd say, Well, Spider-Man's got to go up the building. But he would just rig it with a cable and up he go.

Jeff Dwoskin 42:35

So cool. Yeah, I've read you had the opportunity, but then didn't really keep many momentos I

Nicholas Hammond 42:41

know, I could kick myself. You know, I had a closet full of those suits in my dressing room in my trailer. And I remember the very last day I went around, it shook hands and we all had a little cry. We were all sad. It was over. And I just got my car and left. And I could have taken a suit. I could have taken my boots. They were on the everything was offered to me. And I just thought oh, well, why would I do that? I've actually had people who deepcut suits who have approached me at Comic Cons with the suit. I hate to think how much money they paid for it. And you know that I've signed them for it. So they're out there still. I mean, not many. I think there were four or five of mine and then pretty Arizona. Oh, I have a belt buck. I have a silver Spider-Man head belt. So I have that. That's about the only one I've kept. Well, at least he got something. Yeah, of course, what I have is the memory. I did it. And no one else. You know, I created the role of Peter Parker. That's enough for me. Really?

Jeff Dwoskin 43:38

That is really cool, right? Yeah. I'm sure you enjoy watching the new movies. Oh, sure.

Nicholas Hammond 43:43

Oh, yeah, I do. Uh, you know, and, and I mean, it's, it's gone to such a different level because of the money and the technology. But of course, I enjoy watching. I particularly enjoyed watching Tom Holland. I thought, you know, in many ways, I felt he was the closest to what we were trying to do. I mean, I thought Andrew was really good, too. And Toby do, but I thought they evolved and got better. I think Andrew was kind of like really getting it. But then when they went with Tom Holland, I thought, yeah, that's kind of who Peter should be that young. That naive, he shouldn't be a kind of knowing, sophisticated guy at all. So I thought Tom Holland, for me, I thought he, I mean, I don't know whether they watched my show as a way of kind of starting to think about the character or not, but I just think there's been a natural progression and natural evolution and it's great. It's great that it keeps going.

Jeff Dwoskin 44:35

You mentioned Stan Lee, Yeah, yeah, he was a little negative outspoken about it, but I'd read that he had issues when they were coming up with the Hulk to like, look,

Nicholas Hammond 44:44

Stan Leewas very, I loved him. And when we were shooting the pilot in New York, he was there a lot. We was there every day on the set. And you know, he was excited. He was thrilled that they were doing a TV show of his of his comic but like a lot of writers They become very overly protective of their work. I remember Ernest Hemingway once said, If you're going to sell your book to the movies, he said, Just get to the Arizona California border, throw your book over the fence and go back to New York. In other words, if you make the decision, a movie's going to be made, let them make their movie, they're not going to make your book, they're going to make their movie. And I think for Stan Lee, that was hard to accept is that it's never going to be what he has in his imagination. And let's face it, you can draw something in a comic book, you can draw anything. But when you're faced with the reality that you've got a turn out of our show in seven days, and you've got a limited budget, and you've got only so many, you know, shots you can do each day, you don't have an infinite kind of canvas to work on the way you do when you're drawing a comic book. So I think that was very difficult for scan to comprehend. I think he was better with the more recent movies, because when they've got $30 million worth of special effects, then it's getting closer to kind of the Stan Lee world. But you know what, what was sad was I was doing a movie in LA a couple of years ago, I'd had communication with Stan Lee and I knew he wasn't well, but his assistant said he'd really like to see you. And I spoke to the director on the film, and this director doesn't allow any visitors at all ever on his film set. And I said, Would it be okay if Stan Lee came down for lunch? And absolutely fine. And then I got a message the day before Sam was coming for lunch, that he was very unwell. And he'd been taken to the hospital and he passed away. Very sadly, that meeting never happened, because I wanted to have the chance to explain to him, Well, everything I've just said to you about why we were not able to fulfill his expectations. And sadly, I never, I think that message got relayed to him. But I just wanted to sit down with him again and say, Stan, look, we did the best we could under the circumstances. And at least we launched your character to the world globally. And look what it's become.

Jeff Dwoskin 47:07

I got Yeah, I got to believe that as technology, probably in hindsight, was I Oh, okay. You know, that was Yeah,

Nicholas Hammond 47:13

I think he was I actually Well, as I said, he was the one that wanted to have lunch with me. I think maybe he was gonna do a bit of apologizing himself for some of the remarks he had made over the years. And maybe he kind of come to an understanding of what we were up against.

Jeff Dwoskin 47:27

Because the show was popular. As you mentioned, it wasn't specifically canceled because of low ratings.

Nicholas Hammond 47:32

Not at all, it was canceled. I mean, I think it was canceled, because I mean, I have to say I really do blame CBS because they kept moving it around. They thought oh, we have this huge hit on our hands. Let's keep putting it up against other shows that we're trying to knock down. Well, back in those days, which is hard for people to understand today. There were only four networks. And there was no recording of TV shows in advance. So it was like that became part of your life. Everybody knew Tuesday nights at eight o'clock. You watch the Waltons. So everybody kept eight o'clock Tuesday night for the Waltons. And you had in your head. Everybody knew what was on each day of the week that they wanted to watch what's on it seven? What's on it eight, what's on it nine? And we were I think what, ironically, I think we were the ones that were on Tuesday night. But as soon as we did incredibly well then they'd put us on a Friday night or they put us on a Thursday night or they put us on a Monday night or a Sunday night, I would have people come up to me in the street and say what happened to your show I turned on and it's not there, and they couldn't follow it. And you know, there was no Internet, there was no way of knowing those things unless you went out and bought a copy of the TV guide each week. So basically people I think just thought this is too hard. I can't keep up. I can't find it. I mean, once it started coming out on video, everybody rushed out to buy the videos of it, because then they could watch it again. But I think that's why he died. And so the network said, Oh, well, people aren't watching it as much as they used to. And I thought Yeah, because they have no idea when it's on. Anyway, that's my little rant about CBS. I think we could have easily gone another couple of years. Oh, easily.

Jeff Dwoskin 49:10

He's I think it was that and then I read that the CBS was worried about becoming the superhero network which the CW makes all cottage industry out of now. Yeah, you guys got cancelled. Wonder Woman got cancelled. I think only the Hulk survived. Yeah.

Nicholas Hammond 49:25

Incredible Hulk. I think you're right because CBS there was a certain amount of snobbery back in those days and CBS considered themselves the Tiffany network they were the gold standard network they were the network that did all the very classy shows all the shows that won all the Emmys and so I do I think you're right I think they thought stuff like us and Wonder Woman and Hulk I think they thought it was you know, kind of did not reflect well on the brand which of course was insane

Jeff Dwoskin 49:55

insane. It's insane. Even now when you think back like Oh, I know like all those shows are just considered so

Nicholas Hammond 50:01

yeah, but that is the way they were. I remember very well, I did an awful lot of CBS shows. And I know there was a certain arrogance when you worked at CBS, ABC was the downmarket network. In those days, NBC was right in the middle. But CBS was the crown jewel. And you know, shows like Gunsmoke and all these shows that had been on CBS for a million years, they all you know, had great a sense of entitlement that everybody is lucky and privileged to be working here.

Jeff Dwoskin 50:31

They can have lucky and privilege. So the incredible Hall comes back, they bring in Thor, they bring in Daredevil, Spider-Man,

Nicholas Hammond 50:39

don't ask me. I don't know, I'm not a network executive. I don't know where the, you know, these questions is like people saying, Why aren't you in the such and such film? And I say, well, because I don't work for Sony Pictures. That's why that would have been a great thing. Yeah, that would have been good. That would have been a good team up. And you know, and I and I do think the idea of having cameos is cool, because those little easter eggs that the audience just loves them. And the fans just love them. You know, I think the more those they do the better friends me.

Jeff Dwoskin 51:11

Alright, well, so we have the new Spider-Man movie coming out soon we can. What's going to look for you, we'll wait for you. Hopefully, like big kicks off this movie. They've got a million things going on. Yeah, this is not the one you want to be on. I got six villains. I got so much now with their TV and everything that they extend all these things. What if there's, there's opportunity,

Nicholas Hammond 51:32

who knows? It's been a very fun ride up until now. And if it goes on any further, that would be even more fun. But I'm happy to do whatever anybody wants.

Jeff Dwoskin 51:40

Very cool. Very cool. This was awesome. Well, thank

Nicholas Hammond 51:44

you, Jeff. I've

Jeff Dwoskin 51:44

enjoyed talking to you. You're so nice. You're so great. Thank you. I really appreciate that. It's

Nicholas Hammond 51:49

a pleasure. And I just give you one final anecdote, which was actually this was in the Hollywood Reporter. You may already know it. But I did a movie for Quentin Tarantino called Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. And the reason I was in that film, in many ways is because I played Peter Parker. That's because Quentin was a big fan of my show. He asked to meet me. And when I I didn't know he's making a movie. I thought he just wanted me to talk about spider-man the way you and I just talked, man, right. And we talked and then he won't know about a lot of other old shows. I'd been in, you know, a lot of Westerns I'd been on and we just talked and talked and talked and then you know, the next day he offered me the role of Sam Wanamaker in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. So I think, well, Spider-Man is still paying off in many ways one would never expect, having worked with Quentin was one of the great experiences of my life, and I will forever be grateful that he had me in his film. And in some ways, I owe it all to having played Peter Parker. You never know what's around the corner.

Jeff Dwoskin 52:48

It's awesome. And thank you. I did. I had that note, and I yes, that yeah, because that must have been great to work with Quinn because I heard he had actually remastered or something like the pilot episode of spider-man he did.

Nicholas Hammond 52:59

He found Well, you know, the, as you probably know, not only the pilot, but also two of the the two partners we did the two our ones were released theatrically around the world, they were shown in movie theaters. So technically, I am the first spider-man to have in Spider-Man movies because the pilot of the Amazing Spider-Man all over Europe, all over South America all over the Far East was shown in movie theaters as a movie and Quentin found an original 35 millimeter print in an old movie theater in England. I think he told me I'm pretty sure he said it was in England and he brought it back and he remastered it left it as a 35 millimeter print. But he you know, with his magic and his facilities, he got it completely cleaned up. And he got it, you know, made probably infinitely better than it had ever been. And he ran it at the new Beverly, which is his movie theater in LA. And the word guy came back to me that he was running my pilot as a feature in his movie theater. And that's when I thought oh, obviously he kind of you know, liked it. So I told my people, why don't you just tell Quintus people only because I'm a fan of his I didn't want anything I just said listen, if he really don't like the series, and if he wants to have a talk about it next time I'm in LA, I'd love to talk to her. I mean, I you know, I think he's a great director and and a fascinating person. And sure enough, the answer came back. Yeah. Could you please come in? And so we did. And we hung out. We talked for about two hours about everything under the sun that you know, he I mean, he knew everything I'd ever been into my life. And so we were talking about weird stuff I'd done that I sort of have forgotten I'd been an actor's I've worked with funnily enough, he was the one that reminded me in the Brady Bunch episode of Jack Arnold and of course he could reel off the names of eight movies Jack Arnold had directed and what a great director he was. And then he said, Oh, and you work with Steven Spielberg when you did an episode of Owen Marshall counselor at law universally 1971 And I'm thinking, I don't remember half of this. He, you know, so I mean, but Quinton is just his brain is, you know, is an encyclopedia. And so then you know, I went home and I call my manager and I said, Well, I just had the most amazing afternoon, we had this amazing talk. And it was so much fun. And you know, and all that my manager called back and said, he's just offered you the role of Sam wanna make so fast.

Jeff Dwoskin 55:27

That's so cool. That's so cool.

Nicholas Hammond 55:29

I know, it is cool, isn't it, but he's very cool. He's very cool. And so that was a huge, fun thing to do. And you know, he always shoots much more than actually, he can use in the film, he shoots about four hours, and that's to cut it down to two and a half. So of course, we all get really heartbroken when scenes we love don't make it into the movie. But in the book he's just written. He's just done a novelized version of once upon a time, every single scene that we shot that isn't in the movie is in the book. So as I said to him, Well, thank you, Quentin. At least those scenes, they didn't make it into the movie, but at least they're in print. Yeah, he's cool.

Jeff Dwoskin 56:06

That's awesome. You were the original Spider-Man trilogy. Spider-Man, spider-man strikes back in Spider-Man, the dragons challenge.

Nicholas Hammond 56:13

Yeah, which I love with a great young Asian actress, Rosalyn Chow, who still works to the atmosphere very first job. And she was wonderful. And she's still a great friend of mine. So you know, I feel I feel privileged that we able to introduce a few people who went on and had really major careers of their own. And so yeah, for many reasons, I will always be grateful. I'll always be grateful to have Wow, always be grateful for start. I mean, my Thanksgiving messages. I have so much to be grateful for I've had a fortunate life and who knows what's around the corner next, but I'll be ready for it when it comes

Jeff Dwoskin 56:51

to city. ComiCon Oh, please, I don't let you go. But this is how Yeah, I thought of the perfect way to end this. So long. Farewell. I do I do.

Nicholas Hammond 57:02

And you want to you and you and you. Thank you.

Jeff Dwoskin 57:06

Thank you. All right, everyone. How amazing was Nicholas Hammond? Ah, the original. The original Peter Parker Spider-Man, right here on live from Detroit the Jeff Dwoskin show. Maybe I'll cast one of those spells it'll open up the multiverse. Who knows who else will walk through? Hmm. All right. Well, that was awesome. Little behind the curtain with Stanley and his feelings on the show. Cool story about Quentin Tarantino. Awesome lessons. Nicholas learn from Julie Andrews it carried on with him. And of course, a life lesson of always be kind and respectful to a member of the Brady Bunch. Their nose will likely be better in the next scene. So many lessons learned in today's episode. Hope you enjoyed it. It was a thrill talking to Spider-Man. It really was.

Hopefully you caught last week's episode with Isiah Whitlock Jr. Thank you might still be able to get one of his bobbleheads at sheeeeeeeeit.com. I don't know if there's any left. But if you need Isiah with you all the time. Definitely check that out. It's pretty awesome. The whole interview was awesome. All the interviews I do are awesome. I just have the best guess I love them all. It's a joy. And hopefully that comes through week after week.

But we are nearing the end of episode 84 I can't believe another episode is almost gone. As we near the end of an episode it can only mean one thing. That's right. It's time for another trending hashtag when the family of hashtags at hashtag round up. Download the free always free absolutely free hashtag roundup app play along with us. Tweet along with us on Twitter. Follow us at hashtag roundup tweet play games one day your tweet may end up on live from Detroit the Jeff Dwoskin show fame and fortune a way to this week's hashtag of course is Spider-Man related. We couldn't let Nicholas Hammond guest on the show and not do Spider-Man related hashtag hashtag new Spider-Man trilogy plotlines Nicholas was the first Spider-Man to star in the movies had his own trilogy back in the seven days. The new trilogy has just been announced with the multiverse. Who knows maybe we'll see Nicholas Hammond again in the movies. But in the meantime, from hashtags at gogo, a weekly Game On hashtag round up here is #NewSpiderManTrilogyPlotlines. These, of course are just fun guesses made by people on Twitter of what the new Spider-Man trilogy might be. And here are a few of my favorites #NewSpiderManTrilogyPlotlines Miles Morales and Peter Parker team up and make spider-man into a new buddy comedy. Sounds good to me. Spider-Man is surgery to have us Spider Veins fixed Ooh, I'd watch three movies about that cousin Greg becomes the new Venom Hello succession slash Spider-Man crossover mashup sounds like an amazing #NewSpiderManTrilogyPlotlines idea to me and here are some more Spider-Man experiments with wearing a variety of hats. Spider-Man does need to wear a hat that would complete the outfit that um takes over everyone and everything. That would be amazing. Saving Little Miss Muffet who said on our topic from the spider who sat down beside her, it sounds like a trilogy waiting to happen. Peter Parker finds out who his daddy is. Oh, that would be a good one fighter man meets the Lord of the Flies. Ooh, maybe we could do a Nicholas Hammond crossover with that one. Spider-man jumps from multiverse the multiverse fighting versions of himself including spider peg from The Simpsons spider big spider pig does whatever spider pig does. Spider-Man teams up with Jamison to do a podcast that would be good. Not that I need more competition. We see the Spider-Man Family Guy crossover that we all need. Spider-Man Spins a web of deceit is a politician. Ooh, Spider-Man goes to DC trilogy. That's a great idea. Here's another one Tom Holland, Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield lose their powers and get transported to a world where they become the three spider stooges knockout. Here's an idea for Spider-Man trilogy Spider-Man Home Shopping movie one he buys something on TV. Movie two, he regrets it movie three. He buys another one when it breaks who wouldn't watch that? Here's another idea Spider-Man gets lost in the dark web. The man at make turns out is short for Martha which will come in handy if spider-man ever ends up in the DC universe. These are all amazing #NewSpiderManTrilogyPlotlines great ideas for a new trilogy. And finally, a whole trilogy based on the fact that Peter bites the spider. Oh, all right.

Well, those are some good #NewSpiderManTrilogyPlotlines. Who knows maybe they'll hear this podcast and steal half of them. It's like we're we're just making money here for people. Alright, well, that was awesome. Thanks, everyone who tweeted along. I'll retweet those at Jeff Dwoskin show on Twitter. Look for those. show him some love. Bye. We just finished the hashtag. I means we're at the end of the episode. Episode 84 is done. It's over. Where did the time go? You have so much fun. It just flies by doesn't it? I know. Well, I do want to thank my special guests, Nicholas Hammond. And of course, I want to thank all of you for coming by week after week. It means the world to me, and I'll see you next time.

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