#349 Cathy Moriarty: From Raging Bull to Beyond the Rush, A Hollywood Legend Reflects

Jeff Dwoskin 0:00

Alright, everyone.

I am excited to introduce my next guest. He loved her, and Raging Bull Casper soap dish and so much more. Welcome to the show, the legendary Cathy Moriarty, thank you. My My kids don't generally have a reaction when I'm talking about people on my podcast, but my, my oldest daughter was, like, screams, Casper,

Cathy Moriarty 0:28

yeah, it's that month, right? We're Halloweeny,

Jeff Dwoskin 0:31

right? And, But I'm a Cheerleader, so those two, she's like, I just saw that movie.

Cathy Moriarty 0:38

Yeah, you know, it's funny. It's, I think, 25 years now, and everybody, and then Casper, I think, is 30 years coming. It's so weird. You know, I've been around for a very, very long time, but it's nice to have all the different generations, you know, coming up. You don't realize that Casper is 30 years ago, and me being 30 years older, they're like, that's the mean lady. It's like, come on, I don't look that bad. You know, that was such an honor and a privilege that movie to do very exciting

Jeff Dwoskin 1:08

Casper. I had a guy on who Mark Anthony, who worked on some of the behind the scenes stuff of that, and was because that was one of the early, early movies to do some of those effects. Well, it

Cathy Moriarty 1:23

was after Jurassic Park, which everybody thought had so much animation, or CGI, as I guess they call. And really Jurassic Park had like six minutes Casper was the first one that had like almost an hour of CGI in it. And it was great learning that different side and technology. And, you know, I they brought me up to San Rafael up in California, up north, and I got to go there into, like, this little warehouse with all these people that just worked there diligently on computers. So I ended up going up and because I play a real person and a ghost, just sent them the biggest gift basket of caffeine and goodies, because all they did was sit behind computers and ask them to, you know, make my way smaller and make me taller and thinner. But what a great group of people, and so talented, you know, what goes through their minds? How they do all of this genius, genius stuff, you know? And then being on set, and Steven Spielberg would come down and, like, what contraption is he going to put me on today? You know, how is he going to try to kill me today? Like skateboards going down hallways. It was great fun. It was great fun. And, of course, to work with Eric idol and Bill Pullman and my little beautiful Christina Ricci, you know, great.

Jeff Dwoskin 2:50

She was so, yeah, so yeah. And love Bill Pullman, uh, Eric idol, I mean, was it was that kind of like a pinch yourself? I mean, it's, I mean to work with every,

Cathy Moriarty 3:01

every day to this day, I just, I just love him so much. And we literally would be sitting together for hours and hours, and we'd be weak because then they, you know, because of the special effects that there was, it took a very long time. There were so many setups, and then you had to do it for the CGI and stuff. And we acted to nothing all day. Thank God. We got along famously, and just a very beautiful, endearing man. Uh,

Jeff Dwoskin 3:31

that's okay. I knew the voice Joe napoti was one of the voices of one

Cathy Moriarty 3:36

of the Brad Garrett, all Jeff, my God, all know, because after I did Casper, I did cast for meets Wendy, and they had the three ghosts in that too, so I got to work with all those guys again. So it was fun. It was a lot of fun. And

Jeff Dwoskin 3:51

the Late Greats, Terry gar and

Cathy Moriarty 3:55

heartbroken, I was almost going to counsel today. Um, oh, my god, Terry and I were friends for over 40 years, and God, we started out kind of together. Auditioned for so many, numerous parts. Um, she was such a beautiful soul, a beautiful soul, and had better stories than me. We would top each other off at lunch, and she was everything everybody says she is, and then some, just a beautiful human being. Yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 4:26

I love Terry gar she I don't think

Cathy Moriarty 4:29

there was a person on this earth that didn't I had the honor and privilege of knowing her for all of these years and with just she fly with the angels, yes, yes, I will be truly missed, not just her talent and her immense beauty, but her soul, because she was a unique individual, such a humanitarian and just a wonderful mom friend, actor. We all know she's just beautiful, beautiful. And she suffered, you know, she suffered,

Jeff Dwoskin 5:04

right, right? Well, may she rest in peace, and she left us with so many gifts. So that's she

Cathy Moriarty 5:11

did, and yeah, but it's, I don't think anybody in this world could ever have a bad memory or experience with Terry, so she rest in peace. Yes,

Jeff Dwoskin 5:24

Mr. Mom alone. I mean, just between her and Michael.

Cathy Moriarty 5:29

Should see, you know, I mean, yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 5:33

it goes on young Hillary Duff, was Wendy, so that was, yeah, so

Cathy Moriarty 5:41

poor Shelly Javale, she's gone now. I mean, boy, people are just leaving us. Not fair, not fair,

Jeff Dwoskin 5:49

not fair, not fair. Okay, so it's, I was trying to say we're in like a million more Casper movies. You think that would have been like a real fun it's

Cathy Moriarty 5:58

funny that you say that, because originally, when, originally it was a different director who was doing Casper to begin with, and then he did that director was replaced with Brett sibling, who's brilliant. And so originally I was signing on to do three of them, but Christina Ricci developed quite early, so we couldn't get her to play a teenager anymore. Kind of she went from, you know, 13 to 30 in a moment. But, yeah, there was supposed to be, like, two sequels to it, but I like it that it just was the one, and then it just became a classic. You know, I'm very proud of Casper. Yes, love Casper. It was something like my kids actually, like, I remember my son, he was little. I didn't know if it was Casper. I think maybe it was Casper meets Wendy, but he was looking at the TV, and then he looked at me, looked at the TV, look at me. He goes, Mom, you're very silly, you know, is it just, you know, little things that you can be proud of, that you can show your kids, you know? So it was nice. That's

Jeff Dwoskin 7:09

awesome. That is amazing. I When Jesse mentioned the opportunity to chat with you, I'm like, absolutely. And I was like, I was a little embarrassed, because I'd actually never seen Raging Bull. I I know I fixed that. I fixed that. Did you watch it? Okay? It was one of those movies where it's like, I think you always mean to watch certain movies. And then, no, yeah, yeah.

Cathy Moriarty 7:39

It did. Timing kind of is everything, and you really have to be in the mood for something that was so dark, you know, you know, sometimes you want to escape, and you don't want to escape into a very dark place. You want to laugh and but cinematically, region will was just, you know, a classic. Yes,

Jeff Dwoskin 8:00

amazing. Was it? Was it surreal to like, because you have to be one of the few people that like, hit it out of the ballpark the very first time. Like, like, meaning like you, you get the the role in Raging Bull, and you get nominated for an Academy Award.

Cathy Moriarty 8:17

And wasn't that easy? No,

Jeff Dwoskin 8:20

I know it wasn't easy. We're amazing, and it hair, but it happened. I mean, like you were just, you know, so I'm saying, like, it's, it's gotta be extra surreal. I mean, you're working with Scorsese, De Niro, patchy,

Cathy Moriarty 8:35

I started out where I had done some stupid contest, and because I wanted a pair of shoes, I wanted these shoes so bad, they still to this day, are my favorite shoes. So we were all coming from the beach, and we would go out on whatever, whatever night it was, and they were like, just enter the contest, and if you win, you get the shoes. And if you don't, I'll give you the money. You didn't get the shoes. So I ended up winning. Got the shoes anyway, and they had seen my picture because, you know, it was a club in the Bronx. Actually, it was Mount Vernon, and Joe Pesci was like, you know, you really look like this lady that they're trying to cast. You should send your picture in. So I did. It wasn't a head shot, it was just a little three by five, but the counselor director called me, and I, you know, had applied to you for an for a grant to go to acting school back in like 1975 they didn't consider acting a profession, and they said, Why don't you be a nurse? I said, I want to play a nurse, not, you know, be a nurse. Ended up playing a nurse twice, and the process began, and that was like September, October, and I went in and I auditioned, and just read with the cast, corpsman, beautiful lady that was no longer with us either. And I kept going back, kept going back and and she. Like, Kath, I want you to meet my friends. She brought me down this long, long hallway and introduced me Cathy. This is Bobby and Marty. I was like, Hey, how you doing? No recollection. You know, no clue to that moment in my life, but I had no fear at 17, if I had to do that today, I wouldn't have gotten through the door because I would have panicked, you know, but it was something I wanted to do desperately. And I was, you know, working in nine to five and waitressing at night, trying to get up enough money to go to acting school anyway. So I worked with them from October until February, and they finally said, you know, we'd like to give you a screen test. Not that I knew what that was, because I had no technical experience or knowledge, and I was a teenager, you know? And I was like, Yeah, okay. And anyway, I ended up getting the part and been and then we went out to LA, which was supposed to be done in New York, went out to LA. I was 1718, and 19. I did the movie, and I was 20 when it came out. So it was like a big chunk of my life, you know, early on. But I just was like, This is great. It's like college for free, you know. So that's how I looked at it, and they were above and beyond kind and caring to me, not all the time, but most of the time. And I became a sponge and just wanted to learn. And I guess I did okay, didn't I? You know, I didn't follow the rule book. You know, you get nominated. You stay, you do the press. I got nominated, what five o'clock in the morning, and got on the one o'clock flight and left for Europe. But that was me at 19. You know, what can I tell you?

Jeff Dwoskin 11:51

I think it's amazing. I think it's amazing. So it's interesting when you kind of like, alright, so you go, you're at this bar. I think some somewhere where I read it. They called it a a bathing beauty contest at a bar, I don't whatever is that. It was

Cathy Moriarty 12:07

a little nightclub. Basically. It was a basement of something. But yeah, it was a place called hoops, and that's where we went on Sunday nights. Sunday night was our early night. But yeah, so I entered the bathing beauty contest. I won, sent my picture, and blah, no, whatever. And you know, 45 years later, I'm sitting here talking to you.

Jeff Dwoskin 12:29

I know who knew back then at the bar that 45 years later you Jeff Dwoskin podcast. What? No, it's funny.

Cathy Moriarty 12:37

It's like, April 9. And I was like, why is this day so significant to me? And then I remembered that it was April 9 of 1978 or 79 whatever year it was that I joined the Union. So I have been officially doing this for that long, which is, you know, amazing. I'm very blessed.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:00

That is amazing. It's just the the whole conversion when you, like, think back on like events, like the your friends you want in the shoes, that just also happened to be a place that Joe Pesci hung out, you know? Yeah,

Cathy Moriarty 13:13

yes, exactly. Actually, it was the people there. I think it was the guy's son. That's too long ago to remember, but yeah, it would say it's iconic, and it's funny. Joe had, had retired, like from acting, and they found him. They were looking at this film, at somebody else, and in that film, Joe Pesci was in, and they were like, we want that guy. And he didn't want to do it, but I had known Joe before, not as an actor or anything from restaurants, from working in restaurants, and yeah, so I kind of, you know, I don't know one, one thing you know, fell into another, I guess. But then when we went out to LA he was so kind and sweet to me and made sure I ate, you know, he knew I was just like this little 18 year old girl thrown in with a bunch of, like, Italian guys doing a movie that I had no idea was going to be like, you know, film of the decade. I, I just didn't, I didn't grasp any of that. I did it for a different reason to learn, and I accomplished why I did it, but all the other accolades that came from it. Thank God, right?

Jeff Dwoskin 14:34

I know it's incredible. So, like I said, so thank you because I did finally watch it, and you are amazing. The whole time I'm sitting there going, Who is that guy? It's like, you know how sometimes you see an actor and it doesn't click right in your head, right? Like, oh my God, that's coach from Cheers.

Cathy Moriarty 14:51

Oh my goodness, becoming an actress. He was one of the first people that I that I. Lost that I was close to other than, of course, John Belushi and you know, so just when you brought up Terry, I just, I got all

that was coach, right, right, and you wouldn't know it, because he was such a different character. And then Marty Scorsese's father was his sidekick in it, and they were his parents being there. His mom taught me how to cook, you know, and say, just, I always kind of just, you know, they say, if you're gonna, anybody asks me for advice, just take the good out of things, because there was always something good in something that might not look so good that day, there's always something good. So just take the good out of it. Be the best you can. You know. You know whether it's good or bad. Least you can sleep that night because you tried. That's all. That's all my little What did you think of beyond the rush,

Jeff Dwoskin 16:04

I haven't seen the movie. No, no, I did. I did talk to Rob and Bill. Rob And

Cathy Moriarty 16:11

Bill, what do you think about him? He's amazing when Rob, when I first met Rob, who I love, extremely, extremely talented. And I met him through a friend, a mutual friend, I think, anyway, I'm not even sure, but I was like, Fine, send me the script. You know, I'll read it. And I read it, and it was such a fast read, and really kind of grass. And then they came out to Long Island and had lunch with me, and the little hour lunch or coffee, which turned into almost dinner. We just sat there for hours, Rob and candy, who's one of the producers on it, and my, my dear friend, Chris Munger. And then I read, and I was like, You know what? I think I do want to be part of this. And then I I've had worked, and I've known Eric Roberts for a million years, so it's like, he would be perfect. And then when Mina savari signed on my magical Mina, I just was like, wow, this is something. It's very important and very touching. And I like doing kind of deep, dark pieces that even though it's a hard piece, when you see it, a lot of mental illness, addiction, sexual abuse, just so many things, but at least something comes out of it at the end. It's basically a story about humanity and hope, and as long as I can get that message out there that people can overcome all of these obstacles, and it's real, I mean, it's out there every day that we need to open up our eyes and support people that are going through these, these hardships in life, and the fact that you can overcome you know, not all of us do, but in this particular piece, well, it's a happy ending, and that makes me Proud. I know I love it. It's Amanda Clayton, who plays my granddaughter in law, who I had worked with previously when she played my daughter in law on city on a hill. I met her years ago and worked with her numerous times, and she's what she did in this movie. Also, she just brought Tristan to life. And Bill is really it was so funny. I remember the first day I met him, and I went to meet Mina to have breakfast, all of a sudden, everybody's at the table. Bill Rob everybody. It was our first day of shooting. It was my first day of shooting, and for some that was it. Then we were off to the races. Off to the races. But boy, is he talented, Bill. And I had known Amanda, so it was and of course, I met her that first, the first day on this we had known each other. And she goes, I'll be right back. She goes, I have to go od right now. Because I wanted to say, Geez, you look great. But I was like, Ooh. I didn't realize it was the day she was shooting the overdose and stuff. But just to to work with her, John Savage, who started, I started out with that crowd, Eric and John and I was much younger. Well, not that much younger, but younger enough all these people that signed on to bring this little low budget movie. I think Rob is referring to it as the little movie that could, and now it's like the big movie that that well, you know, it's, it's a really nice. Piece, and it shocked, beautifully written beautifully. It was Rob's first time directing, and he surrounded himself with just such a strong cast that knew their characters, that he just let us go with it. And I just saw it for the first time on Saturday night at the Chelsea Film Festival. And I was really happy to go see it on the big screen. I had seen it, but, you know, like on a laptop kind of, or if it on my phone. And I was so glad that I went, and then I ended up winning the Audience Award. But to be in an audience where everybody laughs at the right place, cries at the right place, the response from that, I didn't expect all of this to come out of it. So I think it's an important movie that I would like some of the world to see. Yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 20:57

I hope they do. And when I talked to Rob, it wasn't it. Was still working on it. They were still putting it all together.

Cathy Moriarty 21:02

Oh yeah, it's a masterpiece in the making. We'll say, right, well,

Jeff Dwoskin 21:08

if you're in it, of course, yeah,

Cathy Moriarty 21:12

my part, my part is just small and but, but prominent, but prominent. These kids that they cast were just amazing. When you have to cast children where you need six to nine, six and nine, whatever, this little boy, Wyatt and Peter, oh, my god, I just love them. And then the teenage version of them, Bell Madeline, in love with them. Then, of course, as adults, it was Bill and and Tristan and Mina. And it just, it's nice, it's nice, you know, it's a long time in the making. I met Rob God, I guess it's a year and a half ago, probably, and now it's like, you know, something that has come to fruition and is going to be released. You know, it's a big deal. That's a big deal. So I'd like to get the word out there for them. Is

Jeff Dwoskin 22:04

it a different level of special when it's an independent film like this, that you're a part of, it sounds like it is.

Cathy Moriarty 22:09

I mean, I am like the queen of independence, because I made a promise to myself years and years and years ago, and somebody took notice of me and took a chance on me where they didn't have to. I remember, Oh, wow. I remember finally getting into the Union. And back then it was $500 to sign up, and I certainly didn't have it. I certainly wasn't getting paid it on reaching Bo, but they had to, the union, had to approve me within the first 30 days. Because why are you casting somebody who's not even in the Union yet? But you know that that's a whole catch 22 where you know you can't join the union unless you work, but you can't work unless you're in the union. So they took a chance on me, and I made a promise to myself then that I would help others and pay it forward. So when little independents come, I do take notice of most people. Kind of, no, no, no, I do. I read each and every one of them. You know, I don't do all of them, but the the ones like, beyond the rush, very special I did. I've done a lot of independent movies, and I'm glad that I've done each and every one of them. You know? I did them for very specific reasons, but also as my way of giving back.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:38

I love that. That's awesome, right? Yeah, because everyone doesn't have a beauty contest in their area that they can get discovered in. So they need you. They need you. Yeah,

Cathy Moriarty 23:48

I happen to have been there the night of that. Every Sunday night. It was a different costume or a talent show or a downs contest. So I guess, I, you know, I guess that was the start of it all. It was old Jones Beach West End, too. And, you know, you're all tanned and glamorized, and you we all went out Sunday night. That was our thing. Love it, I don't know. Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:14

So the beyond the rush, it's making the circuit right now, and then

Cathy Moriarty 24:19

young it's having, it's world premiere at the Fort Lauderdale International Film Festival. I'm hoping I'll be able to attend, but not so sure, because I have to leave for LA for two months. So we'll say, do the best I can, right? But, yeah, it's making the circuit. And then it's, you know, and it's doing well, it's doing well, but they're very particular, because it is very special piece, and I don't mind doing that. I had done a movie years ago called Patty cakes. They came out of Sundowns, and then ended up being sold at Sundowns, and I think they made it for like, 2 million. And two, three, whatever, they ended up selling it for 10, and everybody did very well out of it. And so I like the independence. I love the Sundance pieces. Yeah, I like festivals. I think they're important.

Jeff Dwoskin 25:17

I think it's important just because you start to get some original films, and not like the 50th remake of this, or the I love Marvel movies, so I don't mean to be searchable, but, you know, but the 80th Marvel, you know? I mean, at some point it's like some kind of original film when

Cathy Moriarty 25:33

you're really, when it's like guerrilla warfare, it's really an act of love, because when you sign on to do these things, you it's not going to pay your bills, that's number one. So you're really dedicated. You got to go in with your full heart. And you know, you go do a Marvel movie, that's great too. You go into your full heart. But there's a lot more perks and benefits that come out of it. And I would love to do a Marvel movie. You know, I

Jeff Dwoskin 26:05

would love to see you in a Marvel movie. I just meant, like someone had, like, some new, original ideas, yeah,

Cathy Moriarty 26:12

yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's still, you know, they do a good job. Actually, my friend Louis D Esposito, who is the president of Marvel in LA. We go back 40 years also, and he was a first ad and a second ad. Then he started directing. So I was in his first movie directing, and then went, I have to call him. He owes me. I told him, I'll do this, but don't forget me when you make it. And now he's made it, and he's done a great job. He's done a great job with Marvel.

Jeff Dwoskin 26:48

Yeah, there's plenty of them, of them coming, yeah, so, oh yeah.

Cathy Moriarty 26:52

And that's just non stop, you know, franchise, but it's quality, you know? I mean, they know what they're doing. They know what they're doing. And, yeah, so wonderful.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:02

Love it. Love it. I had a few questions for you about Raging Bull, if it's okay, because I just watched it, and I more trivia type question as I was watching it, it said that your hair was set with corn syrup and it was attracting bees.

Cathy Moriarty 27:16

It was Gene bird Riley. Oh, my God, they had the best people on this movie who did Marilyn Monroe's hair, and then she was so beautiful. Mary Keats, they were the head hairdressers. Mike Westmore did the makeup. Finally, he just handed me my stuff. He goes, Just do it yourself. But I'm born in the 60s, so to recreate the 40s and the 50s. I mean, though, you know, 70s, you didn't have eyebrows or anything, but, yeah, she used to. They actually used to send me home with pin curls in my hair so I wouldn't go out at night. I was 18, you know. But she would set it with corn syrup, and then we were doing the pool scene, and all the bees were circling me. I didn't know. I thought it was setting lotion or something, but boy, that hair didn't move not an inch. But yeah, Team Burt Riley, boy, and she'd have all the old curling irons and stuff. I they were antique, but that's what worked. And Dick Bruno, who did the wardrobe, you know, dressing like that. I was like, I'm in the 70s here, you know, or the 80s, and just wearing, you know, the shoulder pads and just clothes back then and the shoes. I didn't appreciate it then. But now today, I'm like, wow, those were the golden era, but I was working with Sydney lamet, and one of my favorite directors ever, and we were doing the remake of Gloria, and I just had a small part of it, but he goes, boy, you were born in the wrong era, that you should have been born back then. But so I take great appreciation on that, on all that stuff. Now,

Jeff Dwoskin 29:03

when you said you were not intimidated or afraid, when you met Scorsese and De Niro for the first time, I was more impressed that you were not afraid of all these bees swarming around.

Cathy Moriarty 29:14

Yeah, just happened to be where we're doing an outdoor scene, and I couldn't understand, like, why they were so attracted to me. Then finally, because she would dip her hand in this stuff, but it at the end, and then roll my hair, and I it wouldn't move. It was like, stiff, you know? And then they finally tell me, well, it's corn syrup, Cathy, of course, and sugar, but I didn't know. I was like, What the heck is up with us, but yeah, with the courts, there we were down Carmine street or Christopher Street, where they had that pool in New York. But it was fine. But just, there's so many things on Raging Bull, the learning, just, you know, learning how to cook, from, from Martin Scorsese's mother cat. Catherine was just amazing hanging out with his daughter. Yeah, I, you know, I still remember all of these things and just have some wonderful memories. Was

Jeff Dwoskin 30:11

the rooftop it said. It said the rooftop scene, the rooftop wedding. Said the rooftop wedding was directed by Martin's father, who you mentioned earlier, Charles that day.

Cathy Moriarty 30:23

Oh, wow, that's right, I didn't remember that. It was like, Who the hell wants to get you? Because you remember, I grew up in the Bronx, so we referred to our rooftops as tar beach. You know, that's when you couldn't make it to the beach. You went up on the roof and you baked yourself. But, yeah, he did that. And I remember it was such a hot day and my shoes melting into the tar on the roof. But I remember the older, you know, the photographers back then in the Daily News, they would have centerfolds. I'm 79 right? And I was denaro myself. It was a guy up on a roof when we were doing the pool scene, and they were all taking pictures, and seven they did it with the rooftop as well. But I remember I was in the center fold of the Daily News. And my parents, who are from they're from Ireland. They came over on the boat in 52 and I think 53 and when my dad passed, it's a long time ago now, in his wallet, he had a little piece of paper folded up into like a stamp, and it was the centerfold of The Daily News with De Niro and myself a whole big too pace, but that he was so proud. And he kept that all those years, all those years, and I just was like, wow, you know that? And a picture of my high school graduation picture that said proof across it. And it just was like, he did pay attention. He did notice. He was proud, you know, so just love,

Jeff Dwoskin 32:06

I love that. It's, it's, it's nice when you can stumble on and learn something like that. Yeah,

Cathy Moriarty 32:13

you know, 30 years, oh, my God, it was 3040, years later. I mean, my dad's gone about 25 years now. But yeah, it was just so weird to I went to put a picture of a sonogram I was expecting again into my dad's wallet because I knew obviously he wasn't going to meet my third child. And I found that in his wallet, you know, with all these other things that are just too personal, but I was like, wow, that meant a lot to him. That meant a lot to him. I mean, my father met Joe Pesci before I did kind of, you know, I mean, I knew him, but you know, my I used to sell them. I used to sell the the restaurant seafood that my father would get, and I'd go down every other Friday and sell it to this restaurant that Joe Pesci ran. So just, you know, just little memories that'll come back, that you know, you just think about them and you just smile, that you know that certain things that count in like, can you That's my dog snoring? Is it disturbing? I

Jeff Dwoskin 33:20

can't hear, I can hear, Oh, you can't

Cathy Moriarty 33:23

No. Said I'm just laughing because I,

Jeff Dwoskin 33:28

yeah, that's it's always loving when you can, like, find a connection something, you know, it's unfortunate sometimes because of pets. I remember someone, when my dad died, the rabbi asked me a question, and I was telling this story about this trip we were on, and then when I went into his closet, it was a photo from that trip, like it was, like it was a little things like that. So yeah, I totally, I totally, yeah, they

Cathy Moriarty 33:54

were part of my journey. You know, that they actually, because I never thought that, you know, they paid attention or carrot and you know, in their own way, they that's how they you know, we don't want to tell anybody that we're proud. God forbid, you know, just knowing that after he passed, that he paid attention, and he was very proud of me. So I

Jeff Dwoskin 34:20

bet, if you brand it to any of his friends, you know at the time, or whatever, they all be like, oh, all he did was talk about you, yeah, like

Cathy Moriarty 34:27

we always talked about me before we've been doing movies. He was my buddy in crime, kind of but I took my parents with me when they did the royal premiere for Casper in London, and my dad is from Ireland, and then from Ireland, he went to England, and we were on the front page of the newspaper. And the next day, the phone wouldn't stop ringing. All these people were showing up at the hotel because my dad, they're like, you're back, you're back. He didn't go. He. Didn't go back home for 34 years, and then I took him back to Ireland, and then we went to get got to go to England and stuff. And just like you, like you, just said your friends, oh, your dad always talked about you. Now they showed up, you know, they were, like, lined up in the hallway. And you know, he got to see his sister after 44 years, the last time he saw his one of his sisters, he gave her away at her wedding, and she happened to live in England, and so it was like a little family reunion. Yeah. So it was very sweet memories. Take the good out of everything. Got to take the good out

Jeff Dwoskin 35:41

love, that love that I when I was watching Raging Bull. So I read that like De Niro and Pesci, when they were hitting each other, they were really hitting each other. And there's scenes where la Mada, Jake LaMotta, his the character is terrifyingly hitting. Vicky about it. Your character, like, yeah, how do you? How did they film that to make it look so real, he was it. Was he hitting you? I mean, was he, he was literally hitting you many

Cathy Moriarty 36:15

times. He was my biggest obstacle on raging Bow. Thank God I got over this hump early on, I was never allowed to meet Vicky LaMotta and we had sent each other letters. Nobody ever gave them to us. They purposely kept us apart. They forgot to explain to me why. I just thought maybe they just didn't like me. I was self conscious, and the movie was seen through Jake LaMotta eyes. So to play a real person, you really want to spend time with them, get their mannerisms, do all that. De Niro helped me with that by going through old memorabilia and the scrapbooks and all of that, like, that's where I got the look for the rooftop wedding, all of those things. And I just was like, I really don't think that Vicky would have said something like this. And Marty saw that I was having, you know, a little obstacle, and he said, You're right, Cathy, and we haven't let you meet her or anything like that. But this is only his vision, Jake's vision of what he was seeing and hearing and how manic he was, you know, he just was, and once I understood that I was okay then, but to form a character, which is something that De Niro taught me, if you can form some sort of a character and bring it to light, you'll be okay. And that's where the improvisation came in, where it's not like you know now you where's my script. Let me study my lines. They taught me how to listen, but he also told me how to create a character, even though, if it was just the story, but it was Jake LaMotta vision of what made him so crazy, because what he saw was what he saw wasn't always what it was, but it was his vision. And once I got past that hurdle and that obstacle, I really understood so much more. And then finally, after we finished wrapping the movie, right before Christmas, I happened to have gone to Florida, it was working, and I finally got a contact number for Vicki Lamont, and now the movie's done, but it's another year before it comes out. And I finished work on a Friday, and I went down to visit her and spent the weekend with her most unforgettable experience of my life. Now I've just played her, and now I finally get to meet her, and I just want to make sure I did her justice as a living person. But she understood, too, and now there was no Premiere or anything for raging beau. It was Scorsese was still walking down the street with the film cans in his hand. 25 years later, they had a big world premiere for it, learning all of that stuff. If you can just form a character and bring it to life, but learn to listen, then whatever you say, like most of the movies, completely improvised. I don't know if we want to throw in, you know, the bathroom door scene, the one of the hardest scenes in the movie. Thank God they told me we only have four doors. I think it was six, actually, so I knew I wasn't going to die during it. But then finally, I was like, Listen, guys, you got to stop hitting me. I mean, there was one scene with with coach, with Tommy and Charlie. And De Niro, and I'm in the hallway, and he wasn't, it's not in the script. It wasn't where he hits me, but he just turned around and whacked me, and you could hear my head hit the wall, completely unexpected. It was the first time I ever kind of broke character, because I didn't expect it where it's like I wanted to hit him back, but I was okay. I got through it, but, you know, then I worked with the stern coordinator and stuff. It just wasn't natural, though. So whatever punch you're going to take, you're going to take, but they'd have a bucket with sea breeze and shammies in it that after every take, I put it on my face, because if I had to work the next day, I would be bruised, but Yeah, him and Joe, they were ribs broken, and yeah, it would get testy. It would get testy, but, and it was a long time for people to do and stay in character like that. You know, I mean the discipline that I was taught and the dedication was life long. Life Long, wow. I

Jeff Dwoskin 41:06

mean, if you're going to learn from anyone, I mean, you learn from the best right out of the gate. Amazing. I

Cathy Moriarty 41:13

did. I did. And you know, it wasn't like that. They took joy in beating the crap out of me. But I learned how to throw a couple of punches where it didn't hurt too bad. And then I finally that when he comes in and he knocks me out, and I they taught me how to throw the punch, and I fall back, but I landed on Joe Pesci shoes, which hurt more I would have rather take the punch in the face. But yeah, yeah, you forget all of that. But yeah, most of it was real. It wasn't choreographed. You know, a lot of it was very unexpected. Also. I mean, who knew, you know, when they pick up a glass and just smash it in your page, we're like, ah, you know, everything was quite natural.

Jeff Dwoskin 41:59

Wow. So a few follow up questions. I When you met Vicky, was there anything you're like? You wish you had known from meeting her that you may have I mean, your your portrayal obviously went down as legendary. So I'm not saying, you know, I mean, just in hindsight, or even like, I wish I had known that that would have been nice. She

Cathy Moriarty 42:19

got through it, and why did she stay so long? Why did she stay so long, and now I'm 1718, and 19, right during this whole process, the nights, yeah, she taught me an awful lot where she would literally like wrap towels around her, knowing after a fight, if he lost when he came home, he was going to take it out on her and trying to protect her kids, and which is why she stayed so long until she was able to leave. And playing a mother, I was a kid, and then playing a mom, playing 15 to 35 whatever kind of grasping not being able to meet her during it. And it was weird, like, the certain things that I kind of took upon myself because I had no knowledge of being 30 and a mom, so I kind of had to, like, really wing it and just really just study pictures and and the fact that they shot it in black and white. And then, when we did the home movies, they shot it in color, and then they took a hanger to the negative to make it, you know, look old and like a whole movie. But, you know, they passed it along, and I kind of went with it that, you know, New York is, you don't see it in vivid, you know, Technicolor. New York is very gray, you know, it's black and white. But really, then I found out at the end it was first movie kind of done like that, I think Elephant Man also was done in black and white, that it was just cheaper. It was much cheaper to process black and white film than color film, you know. So it kind of just all work. But she had told me so many stories. Now this is back then, what was I was 20. So Vicky was in her early 50s, and had just done a whole Playboy spread and stuff. And seeing her in this different element of her life, Harry was just a teenager, her son from a different marriage, and going to her house and just spending the weekend. She had a little orange ducks in 260 and we went out for breakfast, and we stayed best friends right till the very end. And I used to have these restaurants Mulberry Street, and she would call me on Sunday nights. She knew I worked Sunday night, and I didn't hear from her for a couple of weeks, but she wasn't sounding great at the end, and when I went to the premiere for the 25th anniversary, Vicki wasn't there. She had passed away three days before, and I was heartbroken that I lost my friend, but we went on tour to Europe together, and. And really like bonded. It's funny when you play a person and now you're spending your life with that person, and you're two complete different people. Now, you know, she's no longer Jake's wife, and I am no longer this little 17 year old kid playing somebody else. So just so many experiences and emotions that came out of it. Yeah, she was a wonderful woman, wonderful woman.

Jeff Dwoskin 45:26

It's great that you forge that lifelong bond with I mean,

Cathy Moriarty 45:30

I lived across the street from Jake for so many years, and saw him up until the end. I don't know what wife he was on, but most of them were all very, very nice.

Jeff Dwoskin 45:42

I think Vicky was two, and I think he eventually had seven.

Cathy Moriarty 45:46

It was at seven. And then now Jake passed a couple of years ago, right? 2017 ish, yes.

Jeff Dwoskin 45:57

So when you mentioned earlier, it was through Jake's eyes I found, I think this is part of the trivia. When I was watching the movie that they were showing, it said that it wasn't till he saw the movie himself that he realized how terrible he was. Yeah, and then he asked the real Vicky lamata, Was I really that bad? And she said, You were worse, and so actually,

Cathy Moriarty 46:22

him in a nicer light than he was now, Jake was on set every day, but talking about getting punched in the head too much boy, you know. And then I, I've known him for so many years, and even at the end, just the brain damage, you know, the brain damage, the matter. I remember. We were sitting on the lot at the Olympic auditorium where they were doing all the fight scenes, and everybody was throwing a football, whatever. He got hit in the head. I was like, oh my god, Jake, are you okay? Because what are you smoking that stuff? He didn't even feel it. You know, he had built up so much scar tissue. I felt bad for, for De Niro at some points, because they were so meticulous on after each fight, the the change in, in Jake's face, another broken nose, another scar tissue, and it would be, would be in the chair for hours. And Mike Westmore, brilliant makeup artist. It was, you know, it was amazing that the transformation. And then we shut down for six weeks. And when Robert came back and we got together, we had lunch or something, I used to sit there, which this I learned from, because I'd sit and, you know, eat cheesecake and have milkshakes with them when he was starting to gain the weight, which was great for him, but not for me, then he went off to Europe and just ate bowls and bowls of pasta. But that 60 pound transformation started with milkshakes at lunch, breakfast, lunch and dinner, 2t shirts, 3t shirts, then went down to the 1t shirt. And when he came back, I hadn't seen him for about a month. It was, I mean, just to put your body through that. Then by the time the Oscars came, all the weight was gone and transformed into, back to Bobby De Niro, you know, just dedication and discipline. It's just amazing.

Jeff Dwoskin 48:34

I wanted to ask how much of his face was a prosthetic. I mean, maybe the note, but when he was heavy, or did his face, was that actually what he looked like with 60 pounds, like that, the fullness of his face, you know what I mean? Because he looked like so different,

Cathy Moriarty 48:53

so different. I didn't even know it was him. He did look so different. I mean, you had to go with every fight, and they were trying to do it in sequence, you know, this scar, the build up, the scar tissue they had. So, I mean, they took over trailers of stuff, the nose, how it would move, but also that, that weight just transformed him completely. But, you know, every now and then we'd ride home together, and he would get out halfway and run the rest of the way. It just the discipline, you know, Cathy, you want to use the gym that? No, thank you. I couldn't, I couldn't take the smell, you know, especially in the fight scenes. And I was like, What is the big deal? Three minutes in a ring. Like, go ahead, get in there and try it. I puked after 30 seconds, but I did try it, though I was like, Oh, now I get it. You know, three minutes. Oh, you can't do three minutes. I couldn't move my arms. I couldn't Oh, I couldn't breathe, nothing. So that training and this. Discipline and dedication set the path for all of us, really, you know, really just did,

Jeff Dwoskin 50:06

yeah, I think, I mean, his performance is considered, I think, one of the, the greatest of all time, the movie itself, yeah, you know, the movie itself. Let's see AFI, number four, greatest of all time. Fifth greatest film of all time. Entertainment Weekly, AFI rank to the number one sports movie of all time. I mean, it's like, that's all movies ever so, I mean it's,

Cathy Moriarty 50:31

yeah, I think it was like film of the decade.

Jeff Dwoskin 50:34

No, I mean, well, then you got nominated for our Academy Award, Best Supporting Actress. Golden Globe is a BAFTA? Is that way the British awards? Yes. Amazing. So,

Cathy Moriarty 50:50

yeah, pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. Oh, wow.

Jeff Dwoskin 50:54

So, alright, the only last piece of trivia I found. Do you know how many times they said, Fuck, in the in the in the movie.

Cathy Moriarty 51:02

I don't how many 114

Jeff Dwoskin 51:04

There you go. So that was, yeah, just not a little piece. One

Cathy Moriarty 51:08

time it was on TV. I was like, how, in God's name, what's left to this movie that you could put on TV? And it was only the second time I had ever seen it. I was moving and I and it came on, it was like, Channel Five or something, and I was like, you have to cut out at least half the movie. But everybody was so natural with the improvisation, and we had kind of free reign. It's not like anybody held back. You know, I didn't think Vicky was a cursor, but when I used the word, I meant it in a different way. But, yeah, there was a lot of cursing in it, but that's the streets of the Bronx, though. You know,

Jeff Dwoskin 51:53

it's just interesting. So I heard you talk about time

Cathy Moriarty 51:58

I ever heard that's right,

Jeff Dwoskin 52:02

it's not. Nice, right? I so I had heard you talk about the no premiere, and then 25 years later, they did the right, yeah, so I did find this piece of information that United Artists couldn't promote it because they were in such financial trouble after the Heavens Gate debacle. So that might be why

Cathy Moriarty 52:21

I don't think the film was ready, is why I think, but I didn't UA end up buying or MGM bought out UA, whatever, however it was, I knew the still photographer, Brian ham, who I'm friends with to this day, and worked with him so many, numerous times in the archives. He got to have complete ownership of all the skills from Raging Bull. I forget who bought who now i i guess we could Google it, but now I never, I knew. Yeah, they were in financial rooms at, you know, nowadays, you know, budgets of 200 million back then, Heaven's Gate, I think was what, 41 million or something, right? And people were, like, going bonkers. That's like a drop in the bucket these days. But yeah, they they did, and that's how they ended up merging and selling and all that stuff. You know, I wasn't very knowledgeable on the business end of anything but nice. Another little tidbit, thanks for the knowledge.

Jeff Dwoskin 53:28

So was it? Is it fun? Then years later, like doing analyze that and working again with dinner? I know you're Cop Land together, but I think you probably work more together.

Cathy Moriarty 53:38

It was great. It was great, because I got to work with Billy Crystal again, also who I worked with, and forget Paris, but he also directed, so just to work with Bill and to work with Bobby again. Yeah, it was great. And now it's a whole different time in your life doing compliment that was just being part of the club kind of but on this now, I'm a parent. We're all parents. Yeah, it was, it was, it was completely different, but so much fun. And oh my god, my Harold Ramis, who I just loved so much, and another one,

Jeff Dwoskin 54:17

another way too young, way too

Cathy Moriarty 54:18

young, way too young, another huge loss. But, yeah, getting to work with people over and over again is such an honor, because we've worked and we know each other's, you know, little ways that just so many things go unspoken, you know, so it's just nice to be welcomed into I've always they've always they've always made me feel comfortable and at home, you know, so it's really nice, and I almost didn't do analyze that. I think what I first saw, they brought it up to me, and I remember just going to meet them, and I was like, hey, it's like, why did you make me come. Into the city, but I had just had my third child, and I wasn't feeling up to par quite yet, but I went anyway, and they're like, Cathy, just do it. And I was like, You know what? You're right and and, you know, they just welcomed me with open arms and made me feel very comfortable and laugh. I love to laugh. You know, you were great

Jeff Dwoskin 55:26

in that. And the two of them are great too. Just the whole, oh my god,

Cathy Moriarty 55:29

I was so glad for them doing that, that sequel, and that I got to be part of it, you know, and it kind of brought us all together. Because, you know, I guess we all have our little club. But what it really is is that we've been doing it for so long. It's I never forget Chaz, who I kind of recreated his part, or took over his party and analyzed that Chas momentary, sorry, I think everybody knows everybody, but he came to the table read just to see me, and we've stayed really good friends ever since, also him and his wife, their kids. All our kids are kind of like the same age. You know, Harold

Jeff Dwoskin 56:10

Ramos just reminded me so you did neighbors with Dan Ackroyd and John blush. We mentioned that briefly earlier, but then Ackroyd played his Ghostbusters character didn't have a cameo in Casper as a character.

Cathy Moriarty 56:25

Yeah, him. Pull in Eastwick, father. Guido Sarducci, oh, gosh, I forget who else. Now, it's funny because my mom, God bless 95 I was talking to my sister the other night. She goes, mommy's watching Casper. You know, she's a little confused. She doesn't know if she's in neighbors or Casper, but, uh, yeah, they all made little cameos. So yeah, it's like the six degrees of separation. If you haven't met them, you know them through somebody else. So it's a nice life.

Jeff Dwoskin 56:59

Yep, I do want to also just mention soap dish, which is a classic,

Cathy Moriarty 57:04

one of my favorites, one of my all time favorites. I wasn't even supposed to do the movie. I was still in bed crying over the fact after auditioning over and over that I didn't get the part, and I was having a perfect little pity party, and I was, you know, sobbing, and my agent, then I think Tony Howard. I think cat, a car is coming go downstairs. It's going to be there in 40 minutes, get on the plane. I was like, going, where? What am I doing? The whoever was cast in self just had pulled out so and they were already, they already started shooting. So I was like, But wait, my clothes, whatever she goes if you get it, if you don't get it, they'll fly you back, just bring an outfit for tomorrow. And if you do get it, they'll pay somebody else to fly in and bring you your clothes. So I got in the car, and I ended up getting in and started shooting like the next day. But soup just was a bucket list. You know, I don't know if all of us have it, but I certainly have a bucket list, and to work with all of these icons that were like my mentors in one movie, yeah, I mean, Sally Field, there's nothing you can say, but brilliant about her. And I would just see her needle pointing in between scenes and then going hysterical crying. And I asked her one day, I said, How did you she goes, you know, honey, I just, I knock on that door sometimes, and hope to god somebody's on the other side. Kevin Kline, Whoopi Goldberg, Carrie Fisher, my beloved dear. Elizabeth shoe, Terry Hatcher, Robert Downey, Jr, I mean, and Michael HOPPEN, I don't know where he is right now, but I wish he would come back and direct again, because he was enormous, but to work with Gary Marshall, and this was, I remember being January, and Sally had a movie coming out, not without my child, and like, the FBI came down to the set, and we had to immediately go, like, for cover. And it was, like, really frantic. So they couldn't get us to our own little trailers. So Gary Marshall ended up in my trailer, and I did a couple of interviews for him. It because I guess there was like, you know, threats and stuff against poor Sally. But to to work with, I know I'm leaving people out, Kathleen and Jimmy, like so many people that I got to work with on that movie, and I just really wanted to play that part. I related to it in, and anyway, I did it and and it was wonderful, wonderful. I.

Jeff Dwoskin 1:00:00

So I yeah, I feel like you're the it's funny. It was Gina Davis, I think who had the role, right? It wasn't that, right? I think

Cathy Moriarty 1:00:07

I'm very thankful to her. I should send her flowers every year. Yeah, she pulled out to do Thelma and Louise. And I ended up getting this and but I was still testing in New York with a different actress, and they put a call sheet under your door, and they put the call sheet under my door with the other actresses name. They had it confused. So now I'm defeated again, because once again, I didn't get the part, but it was just a mistake, and I did get the part, but yeah, thank you. Gina Davis, who I adore. She's brilliant.

Jeff Dwoskin 1:00:43

On the flip version of that. I read that because there were some reshoots. Kevin Kline was actually supposed to be in hook and was replaced by Robin Williams.

Cathy Moriarty 1:00:56

Oh, I, you know, I never heard that, but there were skins that were cut out of soap just went at the end, when they go into the marquee Milton Moorhead, as Willie Loman, they actually shot that. It was my 30th birthday, and I had the bald cap and the fat suit. And I always asked the director, I said, Why would you make me shoot something like that and then not use it? And he simply said, he goes, Cathy, you look like Kevin Kline with AIDS and chemotherapy. It just was frightening. I kind of understood that I could but I just remember it was my birthday and I left there. Do I left the set just so defeated and not feeling very pretty that day, but, yeah, but they cut that out. But yeah, there was, I guess some reshoots on it. Wasn't part of it, but I remember, in the poster, I wasn't able to make that shoot, and they used my face on top of somebody else's body. And I was like, that wasn't very matchy, you know, but anyway, life goes on, right? I

Jeff Dwoskin 1:02:04

think it worked out to your favor that they probably didn't show it, because the big twist right at the end, yeah, and then just showing the marquee, I think, I think that, yeah, it ended. You drove it home. It was, it was funny, like, in terms of, like, age perception, it's like Sally Field was the aging actress, yeah, soap dish. She was 42 Yeah,

Cathy Moriarty 1:02:29

that's it. You get an error,

Jeff Dwoskin 1:02:31

yeah. And you were on the verge of, you know, needing to get ahead because you were going to age out. And you were 28 so it was like, I

Cathy Moriarty 1:02:39

was, I guess I was 28 I remember turning 30 on that particular day. So yeah, I was 2829 30 whatever. Yeah, it was a bit of a process. What great costume on that, Laura Kennedy, and she kind of held my hand through a lot of it, and I'd go and meet with Michael Hoffman on weekends. It just tells stories and and stuff. But I'm very grateful to all of them for and they welcomed me with open arms, because I wasn't really their first choice. So I did make them happy, though. I

Jeff Dwoskin 1:03:13

feel like your character is like the iconic, like you picture your nurse character, animal, Amazon, right now, it's you, it's you bigger than mine.

Cathy Moriarty 1:03:24

And then there was no snack, and then Milton Moore had and then Loman right?

Jeff Dwoskin 1:03:33

One last question, Billy Van Zan, is that name

Cathy Moriarty 1:03:36

Billy Van ZAN? Do you know it's so funny. He just reached out to me, and I just reconnected with him, and I know he has a show going on, right? And Billy and is part of she's gone now too. Jane, no more. Where my the head writers and producers on bless this house. The first time I ever did TV, and I love Billy, and he's married to Adrian Barbeau. I don't know where they are now, but she was older and was expecting twins, and then, you know, million years later, there I am, same kind of age and had twins also. But I love Billy Boy. He's a talent. He's a talented Barnett Kelman, who directed Bruce Halford, of course, who's a magician, but, yeah, I love Billy. Why are you bringing them up? That's so weird. Well,

Jeff Dwoskin 1:04:29

I was going to bring up, bless his house, bless his house, because when I talked to him, we talked about that, and your name came up during that interview. He said you and Andrew Dice Clay really had excellent chemistry as a couple, and it was upset. It was too bad that that show didn't go beyond 16 episodes, that it would that

Cathy Moriarty 1:04:48

were, I know, and they picked it up for the back nine, and it was that was a sad day. That was a sad day I didn't expect them to counsel, but it was a different time. Was a different era, basically, I think. Westinghouse was running CBS at that point, and the wives didn't like Andrew. Every week, the shirt rolls would go up higher and higher and higher. But I loved working with him. And I think somebody had said, Well, you're the only one they can and to this day, I'm still friends with his mother of his children, and, you know, yeah, yeah, it was a good time. It was a good a big learning experience. I never forget. The day after we taped, I'd never done TV, you know, I'd done on episodic, whatever, but like to do that, and we did in front of the live audience. And I remember, the next day, I slept for like 16 hours. I felt like a truck hit me, and then I had gotten used to the pace, and then I understood, because it's very grueling pace, but you're off half the year, you know, so understood. You work three weeks. You're awfully but I love Andrew. I I loved working with him. Molly price, Don Stark, yeah, we had a really nice time. And I'm still in touch with the little girl, Reagan, who's no longer little is a mom herself. I guess she's probably 40. Reagan coats, but yeah, all good, all good stuff, all good stuff. Yeah, I liked it. Yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 1:06:22

I love Billy. He's been on we, he originally came by and we talked about your show and you and he had his book out. Just update. He's he's no longer married to Adrian Barbeau, but he is they, he is remarried, and he's been on the show a couple times because he came back to talk about taps and jaws too. Oh, wow. So, yeah, so he's,

Cathy Moriarty 1:06:47

he's a lot of fun. Yeah, Billy's, yeah, he's a nice man. Please send him my love and you can give him my phone number if you would like. I would love to talk to him again. Amazing. Yeah, him and Jane were were? They were solid. They were solid. They were a good team. Again, nice. Yeah, there was a bunch of writers on so many and it was like a revolving door. But Billy was, was my head guy that I'd always go to. You know, that was new thing. I had to learn too. I would memorize the whole script before the table read, and I didn't repeat not one of the lines from that. You know, that guy didn't know TV. I had another learning experience. So, all good, all good. So

Jeff Dwoskin 1:07:34

I know we've been together for a long time. I appreciate you. What do you got? What do you got coming up next? What's what's

Cathy Moriarty 1:07:40

doing beyond the rush, trying to promote that, I like to help them. I also produced it, so like to get them out there and get some distribution on it. St Nick of Bethlehem, a movie I was doing at the same time. It's just a nice family piece. They just announced like yesterday that it will be released nationally, but I don't have the details that is with Danny Roebuck, with Spencer Fulmer, they, they co directed it, and and then I'm going to Palm Springs to the bent to do I will eat you last. And it's been a long time since I did theater, so I'm excited and nervous to play this one woman show up 90 minutes on stage, listening to myself, I pray and I hope that I can pull this off. I

Jeff Dwoskin 1:08:36

think you're going to be amazing. You don't have to worry about a thing. You are amazing. So Cathy, thank you so much for hanging out with me and sharing all these stories. It was amazing. I loved every second of it.

Cathy Moriarty 1:08:48

Hey, man, listen. Have a wonderful life. God bless. Stay in touch.

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