#347 Confessions of a Tabloid Bad Boy: William Keck Tells All

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all right, Barbara, thank you so much for that amazing introduction. You get the show going each and every week, and this week was no exception. Welcome everybody. It's episode 347 of classic conversations as always, I am your host. Jeff Dwoskin, great to have you back for what's sure to be the most scandalous episode of all time. My guest today is none other than William Keck. We are discussing his book when you step upon a star fringe worthy Confessions of a tabloid bad boy. And that's coming up in just a few seconds. And in these few seconds, Jay Johnson was here last week, Chuck and Bob from so do not miss that amazing conversation. But right now do not miss William Keck is sharing story after story from his time at the National Enquirer. This is his journey to redemption. Let's take his hand and go on this journey with him. You're gonna love this conversation. It's coming up right now. All right, everyone. I am excited to introduce my next guest entertainment reporter, Emmy nominated TV producer, tabloid bad boy. Is that the right way to say it? I Okay. So free sleep from the National Enquirer, which ties right into his new book, when you step upon a star, cringe worthy Confessions of a tabloid bad boy. William Keck is here to spill all. How are you doing, sir?

William Keck 1:55

I'm doing very, very well. Yeah, you pretty much nailed me.

Jeff Dwoskin 2:00

I feel like in reading your book, which goes into a lot of things, and we'll dive deep in a second, but like that would have been a dream job, or versions of your job would have been a dream job. For me. You can see kind of my background, like, I love meeting celebrities as well. I've always like Comic Cons are like, I just love going there. And there's something about meeting people that you've seen on TV. There's just something about it. I remember meeting the Henry Winkler bonds for the first time at just some event, and I remember shaking. I'm like, why am I shaking? I was like, because I'm like, Oh my God. I'm in front of I'm talking to the bonds. I know that you've made a whole career of this. It's really, it's kind of really cool to me. I really touches me.

William Keck 2:39

You can see certain celebrities like Tom Cruise or Glenn Close whatever, but when you see someone from your childhood, it's not only a star sighting, it kind of takes you back in time to those feelings you had when you were a kid sitting in front of the TV in wonderment. I mean, when I came out to LA I was much more anxious to meet Florence Henderson than I was Meryl Streep, because these are the ones that were my surrogate TV families. I was kind of a lonely kid. I was a only child, and my dad died when I was five. So all these characters and these TV families like the Ingalls and the Bradys and the Ewings of Dallas, they were my aunts and uncles and moms and dads.

Jeff Dwoskin 3:17

That's really interesting, and that's probably true for a lot of people. You come home, you sit down, I have, like, a lot of memories in front of the TV and watching the Brady Bunch. Like you, like you have a real strong passion for the Brady Bunch. So do I like? I've talked to Cindy Peter and cousin Oliver. I know I'm saying their TV names, but like and Lloyd Schwartz, and it's just such a joy to talk to all them. Yeah, you

William Keck 3:42

know Christopher Knight, who played Peter Brady. He's a friend, and he wrote a two page commentary at the end of my Brady chapter about this phenomenon of why people seem to latch on to the Brady's more than any other show. I mean, there were other kind of feel good shows. There was the Partridge Family. And Leave It to Beaver Father Knows Best. But there was something about the Brady's, the colorful house, the three kids on the one side and three boys on the other side, and that staircase, it just, you just wanted to live in there and have Alice serve you meals, right? Yeah, there was

Jeff Dwoskin 4:11

something just so not real, but real about it at the same time. Like it was just like, it was just surreal. It was a surreal, right? It was just like, here's this mixed family that just got along so great. It was, it was just like the perfect family. I remember when I was talking to Christopher, and he was like, people would come up to him all the time. Oh, yeah. It's got to be really interesting, from his point of view too, to like, have people like us who grew up with him, who's only and then they have to deal with us when they meet us

William Keck 4:39

well, and then they also, and Chris talks about this in my book, that they have to put on a facade, because they're not Peter and Cindy and Greg and Marsha and Jan and Bobby. There's real people who grew up in dysfunctional families of their own. And so when, when Chris wrote the blurb, he's like, you know will isn't asking Chris Knight to write this, he's asking Peter Brady. To write this, and we go up to these people as if we know them, and that can be very jarring for some of them. Some might not appreciate that. I remember when I saw Marie Osmond for the first time, you know, I just instantly kind of give her a hug, which is weird. And what made it weirder was that she was, like, eight months pregnant, but I was like, Oh my God, there's Marie, like a teddy bear, and she just stiffens up. So some people don't appreciate it, but many of them, I've discovered, really welcome just that love that we offer to them. Marie,

Jeff Dwoskin 5:26

my first TV crush.

William Keck 5:29

Oh, man, me too. Yeah, I know if I say in the book, but my first crush was Marie, and then a little bit later in life, it was Donny. I went from the bionic woman to $6 million Man. It's funny how that happen. Gotta be you gotta be me. That's a lot of what the book is about, too, about being true to yourself. And I write in the book about how while I was going after all these celebrity secrets, I was keeping secrets of my own. So the book's kind of a journey, too, of me just cleaning up my life in all areas, professionally and personally, while I was talking to all these famous people and terrorizing some of them.

Jeff Dwoskin 6:01

Let's talk about the path to terror. Let's Jeff. Let's So correct me if I get this wrong, but like, you started your page for NBC. Was that your first kind of official entertainment job? Yeah. I mean, well, yeah, technically

William Keck 6:15

I was security guard. I got a job as a security guard. That's where I was molested by a sitcom star, and then I I was a CBS page, an NBC page worked for Aaron's spelling productions. And then the rest, we'll get to, okay, so Richard Mulligan, yeah. I mean, most people won't know who that is, but I mean, there was a golden girl spin off called Empty Nest, and it was a family that lived next door to the Golden Girls, and the dad was Dr Harry Weston, played by Richard Mogan, who I knew from soap. He played Burt Campbell on soap. So you want to hear that little fun story. I

Jeff Dwoskin 6:47

have a huge fan of soap. I just had three people from soap on the show, ooh.

William Keck 6:52

Lynn moody, yes, yes. She played Danny white, Jay

Jeff Dwoskin 6:55

Johnson and Marla Pennington. Marla Pennington,

William Keck 6:58

Jay Johnson, yeah, Chuck and Bob, yeah. I was very lucky at home and family. I feel like we're gonna have a lot of just kind of offshoots here, but that's okay. We'll find our way back to each other. But I at home and family. I was producer at the Hallmark Channel morning talk show, and I got to do about 15 cast reunions that I put together and produced. And I was very lucky to do a soap reunion. I had Jay Johnson. I also had Robert Guillaume, who played Benson, Catherine Hellman, who played Jessica, Tate and Richard, what was his name? Uh, Robert, oh, gosh, who played Bert. No, no. Played, played, um, Chester, Chester. I blank in his name right now. Oh, I,

Jeff Dwoskin 7:31

you know, I wouldn't know that went off top my head, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then

William Keck 7:35

they all died, like, right after my reunion, I also have Rene o beresno, who've been on Benson, and literally, within three years, all of them were dead, except Jay Johnson. I don't know I felt it. I don't know Robert Mandan. That's the name of Chester. How could I forget Robert Mandan? He was great, but I almost got fired for that, because all my readings went great. But these folks, I hadn't seen them in many years, and they all arrived as if they were about to drop dead. And, I mean, and they just, they looked like ghosts of themselves. And my, my executive producer, was like, What the hell have you done? This is the last reunion I'll ever let you do. And we did cut it down. We usually do two hours. We did about 15 minutes with this gang, and then sent them on their way before they needed an ambulance.

Jeff Dwoskin 8:19

That's too bad, because that's, that's a hell of a crew you had assembled there.

William Keck 8:23

Oh, it was great. It was actually, it was actually a tribute to Robert Guillaume Benson. He had never really received a big honor. He was so do something like this. And so he was crying and just so happy to see all of his friends there. And what was great, Jeff, is that a lot of people weren't available, but I got all of them to do video greetings. Billy Crystal did a video greeting. And Diana Canova and Jennifer Saul, who played Eunice Ted was who played Danny, they all showed up for Robert Guillaume, and that was really special day in his life. It was great to be able to make that

Jeff Dwoskin 8:57

happen. Got Billy Crystal to tie back into soap. That's impressive in itself I

William Keck 9:01

did, yeah. I mean, it was, it wasn't for me. It was for it was for Robert Guillaume um. But all these photos, by the way, are in the book. In the back of the book, I have kind of a photo album of my TV family album, and all these readings I put together. You can see the casts of one day at a time, and Gilligan's Island and Happy Days and Little House in the prairie and the Waltons and Star Trek The Next Generation goes on and on. Super fun. Yeah, I

Jeff Dwoskin 9:24

have the whole list. We could have done a whole show just on the reunions.

William Keck 9:27

Oh my god, I would love to do that. And all the stories behind getting them, and the the panic that I had when somebody would fall out at the last minute because we didn't pay them anything, but they came on to just kind of promote themselves, or maybe some of them had a book to promote, or something like that. But mostly they just mostly they just came to have fun, and we paid for their hair and makeup and transportation, but, but that's all. So if they got a better gig all of a sudden the morning up, it's like, oh, you're down to Fonzie and so, and by the way, so it was, it was Richard Mulligan, who who grabbed my crotch backstage at the Emmy Awards. That's the. The person who molested me. I know it's it's weird. I wasn't even offended. I was I just arrived in California. It was my first sexual experience in California. I never thought it would be from bird from soap. Maybe

Jeff Dwoskin 10:11

it was just his version of a little pat on the butt or something. That's

William Keck 10:14

what one of his co stars, who wrote a paragraph in the book she she said it was more of a kind of a Goomba locker room grab, you know, between buddies like that. But I don't know, I don't know how well I would do in the locker room if I started reading people that way. I'll try. It depends what, depends on what gym, yeah, might go over really well, yeah, extending friends.

Jeff Dwoskin 10:37

Okay, so a quote in your book is not intentional to become a predatory car chasing garage stealing or garbage stealing. Celebrity Hunter, so at what point did you realize you had crossed the line from this love and passion to terrorizing the very people you love at the National Enquirer? Yeah, I

William Keck 10:57

mean, there were a lot of times, but I guess one time when I couldn't help but realize is when I crashed the funeral of John Candy from Uncle Buck and Planes, Trains and Automobiles, so many great films, and I was pretending to be one of the mourners at the previous service, and that whole family got up and left, and I was still in my in my pew, on my knees praying, waiting for Dan Aykroyd and Rhea Pearlman and all of John Candy's friends to come pouring into the church. But they they recognized me because I tried to get in, uh, earlier, and so they escorted me out as all of those people were were looking at me. I mean, it was pretty embarrassing. His casket was right there. They couldn't even bring him into the church because I was, I was snooping. So, yeah, that was sort of indicator that maybe I crossed the line.

Jeff Dwoskin 11:42

Yeah, that's probably a bad one to cross the line on, because, like, well, it's sad when anybody dies. There's some that are so elevated in our consciousness, right? And I would put him, like, where it crushes, where people can't need to take a day off.

William Keck 11:56

Oh, man. And he was so young. I think he was, I don't know if he was, like, 43 or something. He was pretty young. And what made it extra horrible was that, you know, John was a big guy. He was, he was a big comedian. They really, the editors wanted me to get a picture of his, uh, oversized casket. So not only was I there to get information, I was there to get an exploitative photo that really was intended to shame the man. I'm glad I didn't get that photo. Actually, I failed that time, and I'm glad that photo doesn't exist.

Jeff Dwoskin 12:21

I think we all knew he was a big guy. That was part of it. Yeah, I know he weren't breaking any news. He

William Keck 12:27

was down in Durango, Mexico, filming a movie that, well, I guess was never released. Wagons East or something, wasn't it? Wagons East, wagons West, wagon something. One of those with,

Jeff Dwoskin 12:37

I think, with Richard Lewis. I want to say, I wasn't

William Keck 12:40

Richard Lewis. I

Jeff Dwoskin 12:41

want to say, I want to say, I feel like I want to look it up. Now,

William Keck 12:44

John Candy had a very hearty lasagna meal the night before, and I think that's pretty you know, part of the reason that you know that did him, and he can only take your body can only take so much lasagna. And he was also a drinker and a smoker. So it all catches up with you.

Jeff Dwoskin 12:57

John Candy, Richard Lewis. John C McGinley,

William Keck 13:01

oh yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:02

We all know from scrubs, Ellen green. I call her out because she's in my favorite movie ever. She's a Audrey and Little Shop of Horrors.

William Keck 13:10

I'm Lee Seymour. Hey, Seymour, right. She was great.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:15

It's standing beside me. I That's a it's got a revival on in New York. It's going, oh on, Tiktok

William Keck 13:21

fun. Going to see a revival here in LA of reefer madness. Buddy invited me to this. Catherine Kristen Bell is producing this. So I'm, I think, you know, Reefer Madness, obviously, it was a movie that came out back in the, I think, 50s, to stare kids away from pot. And now, obviously it's going to be all just one big joke, since the whole audience will probably be smoking pot here in LA as we're watching it, that'll be fun. Kristen

Jeff Dwoskin 13:42

Bell is awesome, the good place. And she's from Michigan. That's my hometown. She's from Huntington woods.

William Keck 13:47

I did not know that home and family, the show that I worked on at home, our channel, our little house where we shot him, was right next to the good place, so during lunch hour, I could go over and watch, you know, Ted Danson and Kristen Bell welcoming a new guest into the pearly gates. One

Jeff Dwoskin 14:03

of the best first seasons of any show ever. I would say that one of the other greatest first seasons to tie into another one of your stories ever of a television show was Desperate Housewives, which I know you were really into

William Keck 14:16

great, great show. Yes, I was a big fan of the prime time soaps in the 80s, like Dallas and dynasty. So there hadn't been one of those in a while. So when Desperate Housewives came on, I was all over that. So I ended up being the reporter who was on set more than any other. And I reported a lot of stories that they loved, and I reported some stories that they

Jeff Dwoskin 14:33

didn't quite love. Yeah, they all hate. Terry Hatcher, I'm

William Keck 14:37

not going to say that. And you know, and time has gone on, and I actually alienated Marsha cross at one point by asking her about some nude photos at elite. This was in her home. I was she had invited me to her house to do a very nice at home interview, to meet her new young daughters, her twin daughters, and that morning, nude photos had leaked, so I asked her about that, and kind of put up an end to the interview. But all these years later, I reached out to her, and she. She absolved me. She wrote a very nice essay in my book. And she even said all those squabbles that the housewives had seemed so ridiculous with time having passed, they had it made. I mean, they were all making a million they became household names. They were able to go on to other projects. And yeah, it was a very toxic set near the end with with a lot of them not talking to to Terry, and I don't think people were particularly sad when Nicolette Sheridan left the show either.

Jeff Dwoskin 15:26

It's it's amazing how success can just amplify all these issues. And sure, and

William Keck 15:33

it's also your your team, your handlers. And they hear that somebody has one deal, and their job, they feel, is to make sure their client also has that same deal. So if somebody gets Fridays off, and everybody has to have Fridays off, or nobody can get Fridays off, and if somebody has a chandelier in their dressing room, which is which did happen with the Desperate Housewives, they all wanted to have their designers come redo their their dressing rooms and have bigger dressing rooms. Yeah, just it just got out of control. It was this one upmanship that ultimately destroyed the show. I think it would have been on longer, actually, if all this behind the scenes drama hadn't

Jeff Dwoskin 16:04

been happening. Interesting. All I can think about now is how good a chandelier would look at my office. Yeah, I

William Keck 16:11

can see that for sure. I'm gonna put

Jeff Dwoskin 16:12

a rider in right at right when we're done here.

William Keck 16:16

Liberace, rider, candelabra,

Jeff Dwoskin 16:19

grand piano. Oh, I'm,

William Keck 16:21

I'm seeing it all. He has some mink coats, perhaps box stole.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:27

Oh, man. Okay, so you were a page, or you were a security guard, and you sold some secrets to the national choir. I

William Keck 16:34

sold only one secret. I never I

Jeff Dwoskin 16:36

say sorry. Sold Ozzie, your reporter. You're getting me on the my loose language, sorry, a secret, a secret?

William Keck 16:41

Well, yeah, that's kind of shady. An secret. To tell a secret from your employer is not something I'm proud of. And here's the deal, here's what happened with that. As I was working at Tonight Show, it was Johnny Carson's final months and weeks in the Tonight Show, so all these big celebrities were coming on to say goodbye to Johnny, and we were being asked by the producers, and Johnny had also had a voice in this, to seat the older fans in the back, to hide them in the shadows, and to fill the front rows up with the young, quote, unquote, good looking people. And this is not uncommon today. I mean, if you watch America's Got Talent or American Idol, it seems like the entire audience is just full of young Californians, but I mean, older people go to this as well. They're just sort of put in the back. So I felt this was pretty shady, especially since Johnny himself was he's a senior citizen. So I told a friend. The friend said, you know, you could sell this story to the Inquirer. And he set me up with one of the reporters there, and they did buy the story for $2,000 and then that led to me working for the inquirer for for three years. Had some good cash. I never sold another story on an employer. I just, I just worked for the inquire for three years, and did it for a tremendous salary.

Jeff Dwoskin 17:54

So when you were at the acquire when you first joined the Inquirer, yeah, who was like the legend at the Inquirer, or they're like, Well, yeah, if one day you can top this guy and this thing, you'll be a legend here at the Inquirer. Wow.

William Keck 18:08

Well, you bring up a Have you read the book? Jeff, yeah. Okay, yeah. It seems like you have. Because you're, you're zeroing in on some some things that other reporters haven't asked me about you. It seems like you actually did your homework. And I, I appreciate that you're asking unique fun questions for me to answer. So thank you. This is fun I did. When I joined, I had no idea what it meant to be a tablet reporter, and the editors paired me for my first assignment with kind of a hot shot they'd hire named Brad Weisberg. Brad, they said, was the one to follow. Just do what he does, and you'll be gold. So I had received a tip that an actor on Dallas was dying of AIDS, and I was sent up to try to get a deathbed interview. And they sent Brad with me, and Brad took charge, and Brad said, Just do what I do. We went to the hospital and we couldn't find this actor, and we went down to the lobby, waited, went back and couldn't find him again. And Brad said, Okay, we're good. I'm like, Well, we're good. I mean, we didn't even see him much. Let's get an interview. He said, No, you don't want to be waiting around here all day. Let's just go to a diner. And we went to a diner. And he wrote the story. He wrote the death bed interview. And again, I was brand new. I'm like, is this the way things are done here? And I tried to get my name taken off the interview, the article, and I also fought them following this a deathbed interview, because I knew that this actor ended up going home to pass away. But I was new. I did have my name on that article, and I was completely mortified. What I did get to do for this book is I reached out to one of his Dallas co stars, an actress named Cherie Wilson, who had played the ex wife of this actor, Dak Rambo, is the actor I'm talking about who died of AIDS. And sharee wrote a nice page essay about who Dak was and what his legacy should be to kind of take the place of that horrible fake deathbed interview that that ran so many years ago in the Enquirer. Wow. Yeah, that happens to be chapter 11. There's 39 chapters. That's Chapter. 11, which I say is perfect, because I felt morally bankrupt with that particular assignment. It was horrible. And I will say that the Inquirer, that's not the way the inquire worked. And if the editors had found out what he was doing, he would have been sacked immediately, and he ended up not lasting long anyway. He was his own worst enemy. Wow,

Jeff Dwoskin 20:18

that's, yeah, that's rough. Wasn't there a story with Kelsey, if we're keeping on the HIV theme, a story,

William Keck 20:26

you know, HIV? Yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 20:28

what a segue. Since we're on the comment topic of HIV,

William Keck 20:31

I mean, Kelsey is a chapter in my book, and I thought it only fair, because I'm two pages in Kelsey book. Kelsey wrote his own memoir and called me up by name is actually available on audio in his voice, so you can hear Kelsey and his Shakespearean trained Fraser crane boys saying William Keck at a speakable piece of flesh from the National choir, I invite him to burn hell. Your mother must be very, very proud of you. When that book came out, I ended up sharing that with my mom, and she was proud of me. She was thrilled that I was in Kelsey grammars book. But, yeah, no. I mean, we were, we were both bad boys at that time, he was getting in some trouble. I was put in charge to find out his troubles. Our paths crossed. And yeah, I mean, I stole the guy's garbage to find out some some dirt on him. And I did get a report that a fake report, a very fake report that that he was HIV positive, not true. He wrote about it in his book, or I wouldn't even be talking about it now, but I had to go to his girlfriend at the time to ask about this. What I didn't know is that morning that I talked to Tammy, his his ex fiance, was that the day of their engagement party. So what a horrible topic to introduce to their day as they're about to prepare for their their engagement party, welcome and all their friends. Lot of regrets. I do. I have a lot of regrets.

Jeff Dwoskin 21:45

Yeah, there seems to be a lot about Kelsey trying to prove that his fiance is a hooker.

Speaker 1 21:51

Well, he was improving that. I mean, I yeah, I

Jeff Dwoskin 21:54

am. You are the man. Tammy. Tammy,

Speaker 1 21:57

his ex fiance. She's become a friend. We actually always sort of stayed in touch throughout the years, long after she and Kelsey split. Tammy also wrote a commentary in my book to talk about the end of her relationship with Kelsey. It turns out that Kelsey ended the engagement through their therapist. She found out that they were done by a call from her therapist, and that led Tammy to actually contemplate taking her life, but thank God she didn't, and she actually has an amazing life now that she talks about in the book. But yeah, I was sent to Vegas to to see if she was a call girl. And the reason I was sent there is because we received a pamphlet, and her photo was in the cover of the pamphlet, advertising in room, dancing, and you can certainly read between the lines. So I checked into the Mirage, and I ordered one of these escorts to my room and asked her if she knew Tammy, and she didn't. So I ordered a second one. I make sure, to make sure, and I paid both women for their time. And the second one says, What do you want? And I said, Well, what do you mean? Well, you paid me, and you can get whatever you want. We're in your hotel room. So I write about that, I sort of had a happy ending to that story courtesy of the Inquirer. I got to expense it on my monthly expense report, and then I was able to get out of the hotel in time to catch the second half of the Sigfried and Roy Tiger show. Expense

Jeff Dwoskin 23:15

it. That's the best part. Okay, so in the same Elsie area, there is someone that you met that Elvis. I'm like, okay, okay, okay. And then I'm like, Whoa, you met moose.

Unknown Speaker 23:29

I did, yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 23:31

from Fraser man, you didn't

Speaker 1 23:33

miss the thing I did. So no one, yeah, this is great. So after all the horrible things that happened with Kelsey, after he wrote about me in his book. After he said, Your mother must be very, very proud, my mom and my grandmother came to visit me in LA and my grandmother really wanted to go to Fraser, so I had my agent at the time get me tickets to Fraser, and he we were in Kelsey personal seats. I was hoping that Kelsey wouldn't come greet us, but instead, yeah, instead, we got to meet moose the dog. I think Eddie was the actor dog who played the character of moose, by the way around. I think moose was the name of the dog and he played Eddie, I believe, or I don't know, yes, that's 100% correct. Yes. Lovely, lovely dog. I did meet Kelsey in person. A while later, it was at a Emmy Awards red carpet, and I was going to try to get the confidence out to say my name, William Keck. And at the last minute, I introduced myself as William Peck instead, I chickened out. I didn't want to get punched right there at the Emmy carpet. I mean, I was in my tux. I looked pretty good, as

Jeff Dwoskin 24:35

many as amazing bookends as you had in this this book, I'm not holding out for Kelsey Grammer, Happy Ending Story.

Speaker 1 24:44

Well, you know, I will say that Kelsey, I did send the chapter to Kelsey. I don't know if he personally read it, but his publicist did. He's very friendly with his publicist, and I didn't know what to expect, but Kelsey, they said, go for it. We have no comment but, but we're not gonna we're not gonna stand in your way. I. That's

Jeff Dwoskin 25:00

cool. That's cool. Yeah, yeah. The reason Eddie or moose Jack Russell Terrier popped out is because when we used to watch Frazier, they taught that dog it was, stop, punk girl, shoot, and they go bang, and then he would fall over and pretend he was dead. And we taught our dog that trick from the TV.

Speaker 1 25:19

Oh, you're kidding. Oh my gosh, he played dead bunker. I'll

Jeff Dwoskin 25:23

shoot boom, yeah. Anyway,

Unknown Speaker 25:25

how is the dog now,

Jeff Dwoskin 25:27

my dog now, they're both sadly passed, I think, at Moose and my dog. But it was a good run. We had a good run. He didn't

Speaker 1 25:33

wake up from the last bang, pal, you're dead. I guess he took, he took the part too seriously. I'm sorry, but it sounds like you had fun with your little dog. Little Dog. Yes,

Jeff Dwoskin 25:43

it was a good time. It was anytime I anytime I see, uh, Eddie from Frazier. It always puts a smile on my face for that. Yeah,

Speaker 1 25:50

you know, I mean, Kelsey and that dog hated each other. Well, I don't know if the dog hated Kelsey, but Kelsey hated working with that dog because he wouldn't always meet his cue like you just described, and it could cause huge delays and working past midnight. So in this new iteration of Fraser, there's there is no dog to be found. Well,

Jeff Dwoskin 26:07

you know, never work with Sorry to interrupt. Have to take a quick break. I do want to take a moment to thank you for your support of the sponsors. When you support the sponsors, you're supporting us here at Classic conversations, and that's how we keep the lights on. And now back to my conversation with William Keck. Well, since we're talking about animals, you wrestle a bear in your book, and I'm watching they're cool photos, but I'm thinking to myself, it's still a frigging bear. Yeah,

Speaker 1 26:36

yeah, an 800 pound brown bear with all his teeth. He wasn't drugged. He did have some movie training. He was a movie bear. But, yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. The Inquirer not only liked to send us out to get celebrity scoop, they also like to humiliate us as much as possible by having us do these weird stunts. I remember I spent two days as an 80 year old man these Hollywood prosthetic people transformed me into a senior citizen to find out if I could get into the movies at a discounted rate, and if I would experience any kind of ages. And that was fascinating, but, yeah, I wrestled bogey the bear. I decided at the very last minute to put these chapters, these photos, in the back of the book, because there's one chapter where I'm not allowed to name the celebrity who beat me up. So in place of the photos of this Emmy winner from a 90s sitcom, I place photos of me wrestling bogey the bear.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:27

Well played. Well played. Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 1 27:30

the kicker. I don't know if you saw the last photo, but they put a marshmallow in my mouth and had bogey eat the marshmallow out of my mouth. Good God, that could have been it.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:39

That's why, that's why I'm saying it's just, like, just crazy to me, because it is a bear. Like,

Speaker 1 27:45

yeah, that's, I mean, we just mentioned Siegfried and Roy. We know how that turned out.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:50

Yeah, and those Tigers love them. Love them. I

Speaker 1 27:53

have no relationship with Bogey. Bogey didn't know me from the next guy. All

Jeff Dwoskin 27:57

right, I'm gonna read off Emmy Award winners from the 90s, and you just nod when I hit the person.

Unknown Speaker 28:02

Oh no, I'm not playing.

Speaker 1 28:10

We're all just nod, nod, nod the entire time, nod and try not to blink. There's some clues in the book. People may be able to guess, you know, once they read the chapter, who it is. Oh

Jeff Dwoskin 28:19

well, it's go read the book, everyone. We're not going to give any more, any more clues on that one. Some of the stories were like, Fu, and then the next second, they're like, Oh, you're like, the Lindsay Wagner one,

Unknown Speaker 28:32

yeah, oh yeah, when

Jeff Dwoskin 28:33

you busted in. Or for others, uh, funeral, like, that one switched fast, yeah.

Speaker 1 28:38

That was an F you that was almost completely instantly reversed. So I was sent to her dad's funeral not to cover the sad service. But Lindsay, the Bionic Woman, was dating a much younger man, so they wanted me to report in this May December romance. So I came with a photographer who was in the bushes. He was able to snap some photos of Lindsay and her boyfriend. And then when Lindsay came over to introduce herself to me to ask how I knew her father, I said, Well, I didn't. I'm actually with the Inquirer. She said, Well, why? I said, Well, we have photos of you and your boyfriend here. Our photographer, Vincent, got up and waved from across the street. He got up out of the bush. Lindsey's like, Well, you got the photos. What do you want? I said, Well, I may be a caption. And she said, All right, I'll give you a caption, F you, and keep in mind, this was my idol. I mean, this was it. I always wanted to meet Lindsey Wagner toward her, and here she was telling me, F you. And I said, you know, you're absolutely right. I'm so sorry. This is a gross invasion of your privacy. And she took pity on me. She called me back, and what I didn't realize is that Lindsay and her boyfriend were trying to launch a Native American, inspired jewelry line, and so they ended up taking control the narrative. And the article that appeared in the inquire was about their jewelry line. So it helped them what turned out to be a start out as a really kind of nasty, ugly invasion their privacy turned out to be something that that helped them. And Lindsay, I got to give her credit, all these years later, she's. One of the many celebrities who writes a blurb in my book supporting my ability to change my evil ways. Seems

Jeff Dwoskin 30:06

like there's a lot of the stories that well, let me ask the question differently. How did the celebrities really look the National Enquirer, or any of these kind of pushing the boundaries stories? Did they all just look at it as like we just need to negotiate this in our favor type thing is that really what it came down? I got the feeling a lot of it was just a negotiation. I

Speaker 1 30:27

think, you know, you're right. I mean, it depended upon the celebrity, upon the way their publicists dealt with things, and what the story was. For instance, I could never figure out when I was at the inquire, why Bill Cosby, who was this major TV star at the time, why he was always so readily available to come on the phone for the inquirer to talk about my favorite Father's Day memories, you know, or tips on good parenting. The reason was, is that all the stuff we know about Cosby now they knew back in the day, they had a whole dossier on him, walked away in a safe in lantana, Florida, and Bill knew that so Cosby knew, if he didn't come to talk to the Inquirer, that much worse stories could land their way into the paper. That was a form of negotiation. There could be we could find out that a celebrity was getting divorced and that they were about to remarry, and the celebrity would say, Listen, if you don't write about my divorce. I'll let you come to my wedding and do a happy story about that. So yeah, deals were made all the time. One time, I received photos from an insider, a source, nude photos of Don Johnson. Don Johnson's Johnson, and we didn't run we didn't run them, but we kept them just in case they were needed for a rainy day.

Jeff Dwoskin 31:38

That's a missed headline. That's that should have been run anyway, even just just for the headline, Don Johnson's Johnson, on Johnson's Johnson, Johnson, Johnson Johnson, that would, that would have gone, that would have been one of those that would

Speaker 1 31:49

be that was actually the, the the vaccine that I got John Johnson and Johnson,

Jeff Dwoskin 31:53

I did want to point out from the Lindsay Wagner story, just in terms of changing times and how we look At things now, but she was 45 and the boy toy was 28 today, if Leonardo DiCaprio was 45 that would be 10 years too old for him, a 28 year old, right?

Speaker 1 32:12

Well, right, yeah. I mean, exactly, things have changed. And gosh, and I remember I was, I was right around the same age as that boyfriend, and I was so jealous that he was getting a date. Lindsay Wagner, now, I'm older than Lindsay was then, so things really with time and distance, you see things in a totally different way. Good for her, good for her. Yes, she's an amazing person. I do have to say, she really has she does a lot of seminars on mind, body, spirit, and I got to do one of them recently. She's really all about helping people have a better life. So she really is the Bionic Woman superhero in my book, literally in my book, when you step up on a star available now on Amazon, Barnes and noble.com I

Jeff Dwoskin 32:52

met her once at a comic con. It was, she was awesome.

Speaker 1 32:56

Yeah, yeah. I just did a Q and A with her at a celebrity autograph event just about a month ago, and got to give her a copy of the book. So that was great. Got a photo of that. All right. So

Jeff Dwoskin 33:06

what's up with Telly Savalas not having going so long a famous guy? It's weird when you read something and it's like a famous guy and they bury him and then it's unmarked, brave. What happened there? How does has that happened to Telly Savalas?

Speaker 1 33:18

Right? I guess I should start by saying a lot of these celebrities have been gone for a while, and younger readers will have no idea who some of these celebrities are, but I do at the start of every chapter, take a moment to really identify who these people are, what their significance was in pop culture. So this person we're talking about is Kelly Ceballos. He was known for playing a bald detective Well, we suck the lollipop on a show called po Jack. He also played one of James Bond's villains, blowfield. And I guess I related to today that he also he was a Greek heritage and he was named as Jennifer Aniston's godfather. So there's, there's different ways to remember who this person is, or get to know who he is. And yeah, we found out that he had been dead for a while, and there was no marker on his grave. So the inquirer ran a story, Kojak legend, buried an unmarked grave. And they would have me go over the hill to Forest Lawn Cemetery every few weeks to check, and I would be pointing to an empty plot of grass. My photo was in the inquirer pointing to this pot, and I just got sick of making these trips in the summertime, so I came up with a plan. I called for us lawn, and I won't tell you exactly who I planned to be, but they ended up trusting me enough to tell me that they'd had his marker for a while, but that the family wasn't getting along, so they all couldn't agree in the time to have it installed. So I said, Listen. I said, Can you do me a favor? Can you call up the family and just tell them, let's do a Tuesday at four o'clock? And he did, and Kelly's brother ended up showing for the installation. We were there as well. We got photos of Kelly's brother there for the installation of the tomb and tell he was no longer marked in an. Marked rave. What I did find out in the course of writing this book is that there's a quote on telly marker that is attributed to Aristotle and the coach, not Aristotle's, it's Socrates. So oops. I thought I was done exposing scandals, but one more. I had to get one more in in

Jeff Dwoskin 35:18

this book, who loves you baby?

Speaker 1 35:20

There you go, who loves the baby? That was his catch phrase. That's right, who loves you, baby. And Phil Hartman from SNL, he used to play him in skits on Saturday Night Live, Kelly would do ads for something called the Players Club, where you can check into a hotel and get some gambling chips. And Phil Hartman did a spoof on that. Call the play is with yourself Club, where you get an hour in a room with unlimited Kleenex and Vaseline.

Jeff Dwoskin 35:43

So one thing that kind of kind of just popped out. It wasn't like a main focus or anything, but it was a good it was a story and stuff. It was a photo of you and Robin Williams taken very shortly before he sadly left us. What was it like? The I always ask this anyway, like, what was it like just being with Robin Williams? Because, I mean, no one doesn't describe that as just a force in nature, but I mean, it was, you know, what was it like? Fabulous.

Speaker 1 36:06

It was just a few months before he he took his life. I mean, I could see the weight on him. I'd met him a few times, but this particular meeting was extra special because I met him with Pam dauber, Mork and Mindy. They were together again for the first time since the show ended in the early 80s. I got to sit with them, and he was always just a charming man. I always thought about the photo op a lot of years I send out Christmas cards of me in a reunited TV cast. So for this particular photo with Pam and Robin, I wanted to wear those trademark Mork suspenders, those rainbow suspenders He always wore. So I picked up a pair the morning of the interview, but all I could find was a children's pair of suspenders. So during the entire interview, these suspenders are pulling up on my jeans, and I am in such pain in my crotch area, and I was trying to disguise it, but there was a moment in the interview where Pam dauber mentioned the word balls, and I saw it as an opening to say, by the way, mine have been killing me for the last half hour. They both laugh. Robin looked down in my my jeans and said, You could tell what religion I was. You know, that was a signature joke that he had. Oh, I can tell what religion you are. And then we did a photo, and you can see this photo in the book. He did the Nano, nano sign of his hands. I didn't even have to ask him to do that. Such a such a sweetheart. Treasured moment, treasured memory. It

Jeff Dwoskin 37:25

sounds like an amazing moment. I will take a second to point out that Pam dauber went to my high school. Oh, where? North Farmington high school again. Robin Williams is from Michigan too. He went to school here as well. Yeah,

Speaker 1 37:38

a lot of my best friends forever have we're from Michigan. I don't know what it is. There's good people who were raised on Michigan farmland. We're

Jeff Dwoskin 37:45

all good people. We're very good people, even you, yes, even me. So All right, so the best part of the Audrey and Jane Meadows story, oh God, was that you show up and she's hiding her diagnosis, and then you show up and she's like, Oh, crap, they figured this out.

Speaker 1 38:05

Yeah, so we need to explain this one too. Who these people were? So there were a couple red haired sisters, Audrey Meadows who played Alice Crandon on the honeymoon sitcom back in the 50s, and then her sister Jane meadows, who really was most famous for being married to Steve Allen, who was one of the hosts night show. So these two women were close, but also there was great rivalry with their careers. Yeah, I was sent to Audrey meadows, the honeymooner stars, hospital room, because we had heard that she was getting over pneumonia. I tried delivering flowers. I saw Audrey in her hospital room. She She looked pretty good, so all I could do was report how she looked, because I didn't get an interview. She kicked me out of her hospital room. But my editor really needed me to write some quotes about how she was on the road to recovery. And I said, Jerry, I didn't get those quotes. I have no idea if she's if she's healthy or not. He said, khaki I really, really need you to do this for me. He put pressure on me, and I caved, and I gave him some quotes that Audrey was on the road to recovery with a little bronchial infection cleared up by the time the article came out, Audrey was on the road to recovery. She was dead. So here's my byline and a story about Audrey back to health. And there was a brand new publisher at the inquirer this week who came to meet us all, and he met me said, Oh yeah, we'll, we'll check you did the Audrey Meadows story. Nice job on that. And I couldn't throw Jerry into the bus, so I just, I bucked up. I took it. I said, Yeah, I won't make that mistake again. And then, yeah. And then, and then, before Audrey died, in between me fighting that story, and Audrey actually, well, she she had died, but the article hadn't come out yet. My editor wanted me to call her sister Jane, to get photos of Audrey. And Jane only found out about her sister dying because of my snooping in the hospital room. So rightly so, Jane called me a ghoul and hung up on me and. You ever been called a ghoul? Jeff,

Jeff Dwoskin 40:01

I have not been called a ghoul. No,

Speaker 1 40:05

yeah, I like that word ghoul, though it's, it's a good word, you know, it's,

Jeff Dwoskin 40:08

it's a ghost is over. Give Jane credit, that was, she pulled out a unique one for you.

Speaker 1 40:12

What a great word. Yes, I was a ghoul and I was a ghoul. I was cool many times. Let's

Jeff Dwoskin 40:16

talk about, I think, a more fun one, which is your relationship with Phyllis Diller?

Speaker 1 40:22

Oh my gosh. So Phyllis Diller, again, for people that need to know, this crazy, wild haired comedian, kind of a precursor to Joan Rivers, I guess, always made jokes about her mysterious husband, Fang and her ugly looks. And she had great, great quotes. So a great jokes. I when she died, I think she had like 15,000 jokes that ended up in the Smithsonian Institute. She gave me one of her jokes on a on a car, but Phyllis was up for anything I kind of, I talked about dating her, because when she was lonely, she would call me up, and we would go to her favorite Mexican restaurant, and she'd get loaded, and then I'd have to drive her back, and she luckily before the margaritas, but she got to be a nasty drunk by the end of the night. But I got to say, you know, I was going through her drawers one time, and I found these photos of her after she'd had some plastic surgery. She'd had this really invasive facial peel where her face looked like hamburger meat. And I said, Hey, Phyllis, these are cool. Can we run them in the inquiry? She's like, Sure, go ahead. Why not? So love Phyllis. And yes, she was lonely, even though she talked about this husband, Fang, she was she had been divorced for many years. And so I started a contest, kind of like a precursor to the bachelor, to find Phyllis her next husband. And so we had photos submitted from all over the country, wanting to be going to date with Phyllis Diller. And in the end, she wanted to go with this kind of good looking younger guy in Palm Springs who played golf or was very active. But I was, I encouraged her to choose this movie star looking guy. It was this beautiful older photo taken of him, you know, black and white looked like Gregory Peck and so she begrudgingly agreed. Well, this photo had been taken about 40 years earlier, and this man showed up almost in a wheelchair. His his suit was covered in dried mustard, um, he could barely move, and Phyllis looked like she wanted to kill me. So I'm sorry. Phyllis Diller, she did reach out to the runner up, though, and they did go out on a date. So hopefully Phyllis got laid. Do you

Jeff Dwoskin 42:17

want to spill dirt on Ellen? DeGeneres,

Speaker 1 42:19

well, there's no dirt on LM, though there's a ton of dirt on Ellen. I mean, out here in LA we all heard the story, so when that whole thing broke about her not being nice to her staff, we were like, course, we've known that. But no, I was the bad one in this story. I was, I was backstage at the People's Choice Awards. I was covering for USA Today. I was interviewing Ellen and her wife, Portia de Rossi, and it was a very pleasant interview about their Christmas presents they just exchanged, and they each purchased very expensive sports cars for each other, as we do. I'm sure Jeff, you and your your friends and family all exchange sport cars. So as I'm talking to the ladies, Ellen is petting the collar of my tuxedo, and I will confess that in a moment of weakness, I had purchased a tuxedo with a real fur collar. It was on sale at the John Barbados store on Melrose, and I weakened, and I bought it. And Ellen said, this is a lovely tuxedo. This isn't real fur, is it? And I said, Well, actually, yeah, it is. And she just recoiled. She and Portia jumped back, and Ellen said, Gosh, I liked you, but I don't like you anymore. And I I understood, and I really, I think there's a pattern here with Lindsay and with with these celebrities. It happened with Mary Tyler Moore once, when I took responsibility and I said, Yes, this is a gross invasion of privacy, they would soften and see me. They wouldn't see me as just a reporter. They would see me as a 20 something year old kid in over his head trying to carry out his boss's orders. And so Ellen softened, called me back and gave me a fine interview, as long as I promised to get rid of the tuxedo, it's now buried in my backyard

Jeff Dwoskin 43:58

with a few other secrets. Yeah. Oh, good. I like that. All right. So this is another cool story. I Kirsty alley, one of the best sitcom stars ever, hilarious. Yes,

Speaker 1 44:10

Rebecca how from cheers and then she won, went out of Veronica's closet. I ran into her when she was doing a show called fat actress for Showtime. Yeah. Love church, Jeff

Jeff Dwoskin 44:21

and so the Scientologists didn't want to kept you from interviewing her. Yeah, this

Speaker 1 44:26

was weird. I mean, I think people are really intrigued by the Scientologist. And there's lots of stories, not sure what's true, what's not true. I can tell you that I've met many of them. John Travolta Tom Cruise, the nicest guys. Honestly, they look you directly in the eye to present with you. So there's something right about about people who sign up for this religion, I don't understand. But, um, yeah, I was all set to interview Kirsty for fat actress. Two days before the interview, I got a call from her manager saying, Will I'm sorry, but you can't interview Kirsty. You ended up on the Scientologist suppressive list. Yes, and I'm like, Oh, I've never met Kirstie before. I don't, I don't think I've ever done anything to alienate the Scientologist. Well, it finally occurred me yet another Kelsey story that same time I was on the red carpet with him. When I said my name was William Peck I had asked him about why Kirsty had not guest starred on cheers when every on Frazier, rather when every other cheers actor had guest star Ted Danson and Shelly long and Woody Harrelson and Rio perm and John Ratzenberger, George wend, they'd all been on, but Kirsty had not. And he said, Well, we've asked Kirsty several times, but she won't do Frazier because my I played Dr crane, a science psychiatrist, and Kelsey, I'm sorry. Well, I need to take a drink of water here. And Kirsty is a Scientologist, and Scientologists don't believe in psychiatry. I was like, wow, that's that's interesting item. This was for Entertainment Weekly, and we reached out to Kirsty to get her response. And Kirsty said, I will give you a quote, but I wanted to run exactly as I give it to you with no edits. We agreed, and the quote was, the only way I would ever do Fraser is if I get to do Frazier, and we ran it, I thought it was a win, win. It was funny quote from her, but apparently the Scientologists were not happy that I was calling out the way the inner workings of the church worked, and it made them seem like they didn't have a sense of humor. So yeah, I ended up on the list until I got off the list, and then Kirsty invited me back to her home and do an interview. But by then, her show was bombing, and USA Today passed on the opportunity.

Jeff Dwoskin 46:25

Oh, well, Lisa, got off the list.

Speaker 1 46:27

I got off the list. I did. Yeah, I may be back on it now with the book. I don't know. I hope not.

Jeff Dwoskin 46:33

All right. Well, I we've been spending a lot of time together, and I thank you, but I have one more, just one more. Oh yeah, please Absolutely, Jeff, and that is Adam West. Oh, Batman. But I also want you to talk about Burt war. Okay, what do you want to talk about? I've interviewed Burt Ward twice, and so the second time, I actually found a copy of his book. Oh, but in talking to him, I didn't get the impression that that may have been a phase coming out with all those kind of tells. But you quote, you were on the in the book. You say you had a quote on the back cover of that book, so you knew him at that time. Yeah,

Speaker 1 47:10

this, this is, this was weird, you know, I mentioned that I reached out to a lot of celebrities who were in the book to give them a chance to respond. And a lot of them do. I crashed Melissa Gilbert's wedding, and she writes a page a commentary on her thoughts on ads and Bruce Willis, he's not in a place to speak now. He had threatened to burn down my house, but Sybil Shepard, his moonlighting co star, she writes a nice essay on his behalf, but, but yeah, I interviewed Adam West back in the day several times. I was also sent to Hawaii to interview his daughter, who was in prison for trying to brutally murder her in laws, and because Adam's no longer with us, I reached out to Burt Ward Robin the Boy Wonder. And I thought Robin would really jump at the chance to contribute to my book, because years earlier, he'd come to me to ask if I would write a blurb for the back of his book. Boy in tights. Yeah, Burt Ward, my life in tights, I think it was. And so I wrote something like, yeah, I laugh. I laugh louder than the Joker as Ward hurled one skating Batarang after the next. So at first bird said, Yes, I totally remember you doing that for me. I would be happy to write a commentary. I loved Adam. Well, this was until his wife got involved, and his wife asked for the chapter, and she returned the chapter to me with red ink throughout it, wanting almost everything of interest. Change things about Bert, things about Adam, until there was no humor left at all. I let Bert know that I was going to pass on having him in the book, and instead, I got Julie Newmar to write a nice blurb like a Catwoman instead of of Robin. And I think that's probably a pretty good exchange.

Jeff Dwoskin 48:44

Cat woman's awesome. Julie Newmar is awesome. Yeah,

Speaker 1 48:47

go sexy, yeah. She's like 90 now, and still looks amazingly perfect.

Jeff Dwoskin 48:53

I saw pictures of her at like a show she just did, yeah? Oh

Speaker 1 48:56

my gosh, yeah. I think it was like two months ago. She looked incredible, didn't she amazing? It killed me. Then I was there at that event, and they kept on announcing last chance to get an autograph with Julie Newman. Julie Newman, only available. I'm like, oh, man, who is this twit? She's a legend. Julie Newmar, not Newman, oh,

Jeff Dwoskin 49:16

that is, that is horrible, horrible, horrible. Well, whoever

Speaker 1 49:19

that announcer list needs to read me a book to remember who these people are and show them proper deference that I do with it. Now I do. I didn't at the time, but now I'm I've made amends with them, and there's a life lesson at the end of every chapter. And like I said, a lot of the celebrities use the the book as a chance to explain things from their side of the fence.

Jeff Dwoskin 49:38

Well, I mean, I know we've only know each other for a short period of time, so, but like, it seems that you probably were able to come through this because there's nothing douche baggy about you at all. Like you just, oh man. And I mean that, you know what I mean, right? It was like you just, you seem like the nicest guy. And so I can see where everyone's like, All right, we can be friends with. This guy, because there's just doesn't seem to be any real negative qualities in you, other than the fact that you did these crazy things that they probably didn't like when you were doing them. So I hope you don't mind me saying it like that. But

Speaker 1 50:13

no, I mean, thank you. I do appreciate that. And I will say that the inquirer that gang I worked with, they were the best bunch of guys and girls. I mean, really good, fun, supportive people who had families and went to church. I think they had to go to church because they had some of the sins to confess. Yeah, I think they, like the Sopranos. You can throw a great party and be a great dad and have great friends, and you just kind of every once in a while throw a body into the river. And that was kind of my life at the inquirer good people doing bad things involving cement and bullets and swimming with the fishies. Well, William

Jeff Dwoskin 50:48

Keck, I will remain, I will focus on always trying to stay on your good side.

Speaker 1 50:54

I promise to not go through your garbage. I promise I will. I will not, I will not hide in a tree outside your bedroom with a tape recorder and a photograph. A photographer.

Jeff Dwoskin 51:03

So of all these cool stories we've shared, there's a million more. Let me read the name of the book real quick so you guys can jot down head on over to Amazon when you step upon a star, cringe worthy Confessions of a tabloid bad boy, boom. It's a good read, fun read,

Speaker 1 51:19

very happy. It's doing quite well on Amazon, rising on a lot of the best seller and new release list. So very grateful to every person who gives the book a chance and gives me a chance to tell my story without condemning me. Before you get to the end of the book,

Jeff Dwoskin 51:31

consider yourself not condemned. I appreciate you hanging out with me and sharing the stories. Tons of fun.

Speaker 1 51:37

Thanks, Jeff, great questions. You're a very good interview. I really enjoyed our time together.

Jeff Dwoskin 51:40

All right, how amazing was William cack, who doesn't love a good confession from a tabloid Bad Boy, am I right? Well, that flew by. Can't Believe It's over already. Huge thanks to my guest, William Keck, and, of course, a huge thanks to all of you for coming back week after week. It means the world to me, and I'll see you next time.

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