#242 We Got This with Mark Gagliardi and Hal Lublin

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All right, Rose. Thank you so much for that amazing introduction. You get the show going each and every week and this week was no exception. Welcome, everybody to Episode 242 of classic conversations as always, I am your host, Jeff Dwoskin. Great to have you back for what's sure to be a maximum fun episode classic for the ages. I have Hal Lublin and Mark Gagliardi with me hosts of we got this with Mark and Hal an awesome podcast so awesome. They had me as a guest, so you know, it must be awesome. I'm on episode 429. We debate best TV car. That's what their podcast is all about over 400 episodes of small debates that are big deals to all of us. We'll get into that in just a few seconds. And in these few seconds. I just want to remind everyone of last week's awesome interviews Joel therm legendary Hollywood casting director he casted airplane Rocky Horror Picture Show taxi grease, a million stories there and Emilio Pillai may join me last week as well to talk about his movie nights a swing and we delve into his background two great interviews right there. And we got two great interviews right here in one one episode two great interviews Hal Lublin and Mark Gagliardi we're going to talk about their improv background, their voice over acting drunk history on Comedy Central Gary Busey pet judge this episode has it all. Let's get right to it. Enjoy. All right. I'm excited to introduce my two. Yes, no CO hosts of we got this with Mark and how first up actor podcaster improviser loved him in the Thrilling Adventure Hour. The Venture Brothers the Welcome to the show Hal Lublin loves Hi, I'll insert Am I second guessed? Am I second guessed you loved him on the PBS series amigos. You can recite all 45 American presidents in order. He was the original frequent narrator of Comedy Central's Drunk History, Star blood and treasure. Welcome to the show. Mark Gagliardi.

Mark Gagliardi 0:54

Hello, it is great to be here. I did a spit take almost when you said amigos because I had just taken a big sip of water. I did that when I was nine years old. So that was you started the beginning and I love it. Well, that

Jeff Dwoskin 2:59

mission accomplished. Love your podcast, by the way it thank you amazing. Well, we'll work up to the podcast, likewise. Thank you. Thank you. So as I look at both your careers there's a couple crossovers one in particular that just I think I need to spend a lot more time with was Gary Busey pet judge. Yeah,

Mark Gagliardi 3:19

sure. How you want to talk about Gary Busey pet judge?

Hal Lublin 3:23

Yeah. Like you're not supposed to work with animals, right? Don't work with kids and animals. And then this is just Gary Busey with animals. But the animals were the easy part. So it was all improvised. It was a it was a series that I think is still available on Amazon Prime. Yeah, he is a judge. And it's all of these made up pet cases. All of us are improvisers. And so I was on it opposite our thrilling adventure, our cast mate, and he savage who I've been performing with for 22 years. So that part was easy, but they're like, Gary can't hear you have to be you have to be really loud. So just everything you said is like what they were again, say who? It was just the most bizarre experience, and I wasn't sure if anything registered with them. And then when we were done, I still wasn't sure if anything registered with him. It was like I would have done it just for the story alone do seem like just it's so bizarre. What was your experience like Mark because we weren't there the same day?

Mark Gagliardi 4:18

No, we were there on different days. Forgive me. I forget my partner's name on it. She was a brilliant improviser was the only time I ever worked with her. I had a great time doing it. I thought Gary Busey scared the hell out of me. At one point though, shout out to Charlie Farmville, by the way, creator of the show, who we knew from Thrilling Adventure Hour who brought us in for it. Yes, Gary Busey scared the hell out of me because at one point, the surreal nature of what was happening just overtook me, and all I did was crack half a smile. I know that that is against all of the rules of Gary Busey pet judge. It's like Between Two Ferns. The one thing you can't do is his break, and I have broke and Gary Busey laid into me. Are you laughing in my court? Are you laughing in my court? And then a in a quiet whisper that was the most terrifying thing I ever heard specifically because he was really when are you laughing in my court? I will put a tomato in your butt. And he threatened whisper threatened to put a tomato in my butt. Thank goodness Gary Busey has never put a tomato in my butt. But every once in a while, a buddy of mine will text me a picture if he finds a particularly large tomato. Knowing that story, just as a threat just to remind me that Gary Busey is looking out for my tomato, my tomato list, but

Hal Lublin 5:43

still at large. Yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 5:44

my worry right now is everyone's googling Gary Busey pet judge and not gonna listen to the fight. Give me Give me give you, I tell you, it's worth every second. It's on Pluto. And IMDB. You know, it says there's one episode but there's six or six. And if you go to Pluto, they're all there and it opens up. It's magic. It's like the opening is like, dark. And it's like a silhouette of Gary Busey. And then it just and then it open. And then it's fully lit and Gary Busey with all those teeth. And he just goes, Hey, just Yes. You know, like it with his gavel. And he makes people call him judge or your honor. I mean,

Mark Gagliardi 6:24

I also love Ian Abramson, who was the standing outside the courtroom guy who is the absolute best at just bonkers absurdity with a straight face. And I we had to retake that a million times because that that point I was laughing like crazy.

Jeff Dwoskin 6:41

Usually when you dig something like this, there's like not much left of it there aren't there remnants. There's a website still it's it's here across the country, there are 1000s of pet disputes. Unfortunately for everyone in the country, Gary was only able to bring justice to six. Definitely worth checking out. Oh, geez,

Mark Gagliardi 7:04

he should go on tour. Just dispute all of the pet problems across the country.

Hal Lublin 7:09

He imagined what it would take to tour him or I mean, look, I had no personal experience with him. But it seemed like he I don't know. I don't know the laundry list of things he's dealing with. I know he's dealt with a lot. But he is. He's definitely like, it's not just let's get in the car and go. No, that's the sense I get there a couple maybe couple trucks. Is it

Mark Gagliardi 7:31

Team that follows just for him?

Jeff Dwoskin 7:33

The man was Buddy Holly, give him Yes. Back. Joshua, no, no, I don't mean I just meant the world. I didn't.

Mark Gagliardi 7:45

Ah, I'll tell you this though. Knowing that that is on Pluto. Now. It makes me very happy because Pluto is partnered with big screen in VR. So you can watch Gary Busey pet judge on a spaceship, which makes me very happy.

Jeff Dwoskin 7:59

That's amazing. Oh, yeah.

Hal Lublin 8:02

That's the Lord intended. Exactly.

Jeff Dwoskin 8:04

Oh, we could go on about Gary Busey for hours. I'm sure. You guys have done a lot of cool stuff. So out you were the Green Goblin. And Mark, you're Batman. Yeah. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, that

Mark Gagliardi 8:18

was a Those were fun gigs.

Jeff Dwoskin 8:20

I just feel the Batman. I mean, I'm sure it's great to be the Green Goblin but you're Batman.

Mark Gagliardi 8:25

When that when my agent called when I got the job, my agent called and the first thing that she said was, Are you sitting down and I was like, what is about to happen? She went your Batman. And that was very, very cool. It was a really fun series to do. Robin was in my ear. And it was Michael center. Nicholas, who was also from Thrilling Adventure Hour, a friend that we knew also through Venture Brothers who directed the whole series. So he cast me as Batman and it was dream roll. I now have so much Batman gear because of it just was like here now that made magnets in Batman socks. And my girlfriend at the time was very excited that I was Batman and every gift for like a year after that was something Batman themed.

Jeff Dwoskin 9:05

I bet she loved it. She was probably bragging about that. Oh, yeah. I was being Batman. I

Mark Gagliardi 9:10

was I'm Vicki Vale when she called herself.

Jeff Dwoskin 9:15

Green goblins cool to have you guys do everything I wish I had grown up to do

Hal Lublin 9:20

it's weird to play something that a lot of people have played before. Because the instinct is to do everybody else's version. I did a year ago I did MODOK for for this marvel podcast and that was like, like Patton was doing it at the time because his TV show was on there a couple people who've done different versions of it, but it was like an opportunity to go okay, I know this is a comedy podcast let me just be completely unhinged. And we were recording over zoom was a bunch of us in there. And I think I jumped scared the director because she wasn't expecting that. Yeah, but bad guys have the most fun to play the most as

Mark Gagliardi 9:57

a villain Isn't that what you want? Like you want to if you're gonna you can show I'm scarier director, you're doing something, right?

Hal Lublin 10:02

Well, also every impulse that you have that you don't do if you're a decent person, you get to explore some version of that when you play a bad guy. It almost makes it easier to inhabit because it's it's something you've that maybe it's crossed your mind or you've thought about or observed somewhere else but haven't inhabited so that there's like a, like a discomfort when something's closer to me. You know what I mean? Them like oh, well, is this is this how I hold my hands? Is this what I sound like? But to play a villain is like, oh, yeah, that'd be really fun to to play in that sandbox for a while to imagine that you're living off of those impulses.

Mark Gagliardi 10:37

How was your comedy partner at nine as scares me a little bit. You refer to your motivations and playing a villain as Yeah, and they crossed my mind.

Hal Lublin 10:45

Yeah, I've murdered you like 12 times in your sleep in my mind. I would never do it. Oh, wait, huh? Oh, no, he's

Mark Gagliardi 10:52

gonna get your package. Yeah.

Hal Lublin 10:56

Don't do it. Mark. Don't you don't you signal him?

Mark Gagliardi 11:05

I don't know why did harmonica hands for that.

Jeff Dwoskin 11:07

So you mentioned with Gary Busey, that improv a lot of the improv involved. You both came up through multiple places like both of you were in Second City National Lampoon mark with the Groundlings owl, improv Olympics. When did you guys kind of go into improv and kind of start to convert all this into your day job?

Mark Gagliardi 11:31

Yeah. Well, we met at Second City to meet we met at the next stage we met at that we made was

Hal Lublin 11:37

that the array of Boulevard? That's about right, see, Malone's ice cream.

Mark Gagliardi 11:41

We did a show for about three people. You came to see it. I can't know I came to a show. With the line. Flintstones chewable vitamins in it is all I remember from that show was that line.

Hal Lublin 11:53

And that was just us improvising with me, Eric Edelstein. And I cannot remember the third person's name, but he was your your like roommates with him in college. Rob Adler, Rob Adler. Yeah, I think Rob Adler I think

Mark Gagliardi 12:03

it was I was roommates with him at the time. I was I say roommates generously. I was crashing on his couch accounts. Yeah, that count that counts as roommates. Right? No, no, at that time contemporaneously to go, that's also common law. Yeah. But we really started working that like I came to see the show. And that was where we met. So funny was so long ago. I forgot that was actually our our first meeting. But we got to working together at Second City, back when it was on Melrose, in West Hollywood. And it was great because we had the little pathway that went through to the bar and restaurant for the improv up front. It was such a sacred space, that theater and we did a ton of stuff back there.

Hal Lublin 12:41

Yeah. And we'd known each other we'd been I mean, at that point, we'd known each other for, I don't know, two, three years. So we sort of like circled around one another. I had gone through Second City, Los Angeles. I was done in 2003, which is probably about when you were starting. Yeah.

Mark Gagliardi 12:55

You were senior when I was a freshman. You gave me those wedgies. Yeah, I mean, that locker, the backstage locker

Hal Lublin 13:01

and guys like Derrick Waters had graduated just before me. So those were the guys that I looked up to all those those guys that did that show ha ha frosh, all of whom have gone on like Greg and said, all these guys have gone on to do really great stuff. But yeah, that's how long we've been improvising together. I've probably been improvising since 1994. Yeah, every kid in high school, when Whose Line is in any way came to America watched it and said, That's, I want to do that. I'm the weird kid who loves that. Oh, yeah. It was just a small group of us figuring out how to like, Alright, how do we do those games? How can we do it, who will let us perform in front of them any chance we get, and then go into college, getting involved in improv there and having somebody I went to Syracuse, and there's a professional theater attached to the drama school, and somebody who was coming through doing a show had gone through the Conservatory in Chicago at Second City. And all I wanted to do was like, learn at his feet, so that I could go to Chicago and I could go through and be on the main stage and do all that stuff like that was the goal was to figure out how to make improvising. What I did forever know

Unknown Speaker 14:04

what happened. He's doing failure ever.

Hal Lublin 14:09

You know, it's weird, like you, I think you always adjust your goals, right? Like, a lot of it is, especially when you're younger is you don't know what you don't know. So you just assume like, what is the highest goal I can set? I'm going to do that. And I'll do it in five years, because I have no sense of, of what it takes of what the environments like how many other people are doing the same thing. Yeah. So once you come out to LA, it's like, well, I just want to work. And improvising is a key to that because it's important to train everywhere, but you also use it all the time. So even if you're not improvising. If you're not touring with Colin mockery, you're still using it all the time, just in a different way.

Jeff Dwoskin 14:46

I opened for Colin mockery once no sure what Yeah, I do stand up. I don't do improv. Yeah. Were they doing an improv duo? Yeah, they did a two minute and like it was one of the coolest moments of my life because I did the opening and it was huge. It was like at our, it was a stadium. So it was like 1500 people in this one little area. But then they called one of my jokes back. And yeah, like to me that was like, that was the greatest moment one because it meant they were listening also, but to I mean, just to do that, I was just like, that was just like that became like my greatest moment.

Mark Gagliardi 15:21

It's such a great magic trick. You know what I mean? Improvising. It's such a specific, cool, fun game to play. I like how was also super into Second City, Chicago, and I would go I went to school in Chicago. So after class, we would go down because it was the end of the 90s we would rollerblade to Second City. That was when it was Dratch and Faye and adds it and Jaga Tao ski and kowski. That was where I first saw Craig, like just all of these great improvisers down there. Improv was what pulled me into the theme park world, which is where the blue collar acting world where I live for a long time and still live, but I got hired originally doing a short form show at Disneyland based on having been at Second City on Melrose, just seeing a flyer hanging on the wall there and you play the genie there. I did. But I wasn't improvising as the genie that was actually more akin to stand up. I think that was in a like in a theater property. This was a this was a show called The Department of untapped hilarity or de and we were on one of the outdoor stages. And we dress like the Best Buy Geek Squad. That was where I met all of the superego guys, we they were all doing that show back then. Gail Brennan, who still plays my wife at Universal Studios, like met a great crew of people over there doing that.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:39

Sorry to interrupt, have to take a quick break, have to hide all the tomatoes. I do want to thank everyone for the support of the sponsors. When you support the sponsors. You're supporting us here classic conversations. And that's how we keep the lights on. And now back to my wonderful conversation with Hal and Mark. I'm about to blow their minds with a second city story of my very own. And we're back. We used to go to second city Chicago all the time for our fraternity outings. And I saw the year before he went on Saturday live I saw Chris Farley and Tim Meadows.

Mark Gagliardi 17:12

Oh, how you saw Farley at Second City? Wow. Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 17:16

And he was doing it did this skit called whale boy, which my friends and I we talked about for decades. And then I had Rosa do on the show. And she was talking about how she was there at the same time. So I was like, Oh, do you remember this skit? And she's like, Oh, my God. And so she got she gave me like all the background of the skit and stuff like that. It was.

Mark Gagliardi 17:37

That's so cool. That's like seeing that's like seeing the stones in 61. At a bar. Yeah. For the

Hal Lublin 17:43

Beatles from the cavern. Yeah. All right.

Jeff Dwoskin 17:45

It was something I mean, it's stuck with us forever.

Mark Gagliardi 17:48

It really did a great show. We'll do that though. You know? Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 17:51

It was so fun. So fun. Oh, good times. So I said all that improv I always wish I had done it because I know like they had it in Detroit for a while. Second City came to Detroit and Keegan Michael Key was there. Yeah, maybe you've heard of him. Yeah. Mark Jackson. Like, oh, he could would have been there if I had guts to maybe go.

Mark Gagliardi 18:12

Yeah, Jackson Keegan, the funks. Josh and Nyima they came out of Detroit, Larry. Detroit was a great hoppin Second City spot.

Hal Lublin 18:21

Angela Francis. Both I

Jeff Dwoskin 18:22

think you were a good town. Oh, yeah. Not a good comedy. Yeah. And rock

Mark Gagliardi 18:27

comedy rock and Shinola?

Jeff Dwoskin 18:30

And Moxie, right. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Mark Gagliardi 18:32

And that pizza. What else is great about Detroit Tony's tone ogone, Kwame Kilpatrick.

Jeff Dwoskin 18:38

Cool grants. So much. And what's goodness? Alright, so you guys start working together. Oh, wait, how I wanted to tell you something. I found this video I thought was the funniest thing that you did that tree acting coach O. Or the Wil Wheaton project. It was the funniest. I just seen guardians three. So it was like, it would have been funny anyway. But sure. It was extra funny because I just grew on the big screen. So I tied it in right. I that was really funny. Oh, thank you. Yeah, that was really good.

Hal Lublin 19:09

That was the great Josh Kagan wrote that so we shot like stuff in there in the writers offices for the show. And then he was just like, Go improvise with the tree. Again. That's like improv. That's just having that training of like when somebody says, Here, just go do something. You can jump in and do it. It was so much fun. And super, it was so hot. And I was so fat and wearing so much clothing, but I love doing

Mark Gagliardi 19:32

it. I haven't seen this yet. I gotta see this when you do this.

Hal Lublin 19:36

Um, gosh. 2015 2014 random. It was around.

Jeff Dwoskin 19:40

It was your number the Wil Wheaton project was on so yeah, it's been Yeah, it's been a bit so funny. No one else is so funny. Drunk History.

Mark Gagliardi 19:48

Yeah. Yeah. That is all Derek's Derek's genius. That's

Jeff Dwoskin 19:52

like one of the funniest shows ever. How was doing those being part of that?

Mark Gagliardi 19:57

It was great. It was one of those things that it be began like it was the very first one happened on my couch. Because Derek had come over, you know, we had gotten to know each other through Second City and with through our buddy Eric Edelstein. Derek had this idea for you know, he was a history buff like I was and Jake Johnson as well. And one night Jake got drunk and told a story. Derek is better at telling this part of the story than I am. But Jake got drunk and told a story about Otis Redding at a bar one night, and it gave Derek the idea of like the History Channel, you know, you get somebody like HW brands to tell the story. And then actors are reenacting it. So he came up with the idea told me about it, and came over one night and brought a bottle of scotch. And the very first one was about Alexander Hamilton, because that was the episode of American experience that happened to be on PBS that week, because it was right when the turnout book came out. So that was everybody was talking about Hamilton. There's a lot of Hamilton stuff happening. So I got drunk told the story. At first, I thought it was a brilliant move, that he did not put it on the internet. He didn't want to put it on the internet. At first, he wanted to build up the underground street cred of it. So he only put it on DVDs and gave it to people, which I thought was so fun that it became like this thing that got passed around. And he's like, just don't put it on the internet. And then eventually he put it on the internet once it had gotten enough buzz at the exact moment that everyone that lived in Hollywood that he knew was going back home for the holidays. So it spread across the country really fast too, because people were showing it to their friends in their home towns. I think it was he basically set the pattern for making his video below up, which I thought was really fun, aside from the fact that it was just a genius idea that he turned into six seasons of television. And he's he's such a good drunk whisperer, that he can just like you always know you're, you're in good hands with him. I never remembered the end of a Drunk History. I shot a bunch of them. I never remembered the end, but I always trusted that he would take care of me. The end the next day. I always said the same thing. I would call him and I'd go did we get everything we needed? And he would always say, you know, you asked me that every time and he every time he was right. We always got what he needed.

Jeff Dwoskin 22:09

It seemed as long as you ended up on the floor. It was okay. Always on the floor. Yeah. So when you guys were doing it on the couch, and it's underground, when did Comedy Central come into it?

Mark Gagliardi 22:19

It went from you know, we started with that one in the fact that he got you know so much good buzz for it. He got a lot of celebrities involved early, including Will Ferrell who got the interest of comedy cent or not the interest of Comedy Central who got the interest of Funny or Die when Funny or Die had a HBO a short lived HBO sketch show and it became a bit on that and then Derek put it on Derek and Simon which was another short lived sketch show before Comedy Central eventually just picked it up and made it its own series that went longer than either of those sketch shows had similar to the way the Simpsons appeared first on Tracy Oldman, and then got their own thing that launched them or Beavis and Butthead on liquid TV. That's right. I loved liquid television back in the day.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:05

Isn't that how Southpark got started to like they just little Jesus versus Yeah,

Mark Gagliardi 23:10

passing it around and Hollywood. Yeah, I think was VHS back then too. They were passing VHS tapes of it around.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:16

Everyone's googling VHS and Gary B's right. When I

Hal Lublin 23:20

saw him on that couch, pulling his shirt over his belly as my belly showing. He's done that in the backseat of my car for I've seen him do that forearm over as I was like, oh,

Mark Gagliardi 23:32

oh Mark calcium every drunk version of me and realize and on.

Hal Lublin 23:37

I still I still sometimes have myself I got I'm gonna love you. I'm gonna miss you.

Mark Gagliardi 23:42

I'm gonna love you. I'm missing. So good.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:45

It's just so funny about famous people just lip synching a drunk person.

Mark Gagliardi 23:50

Oscar winners, Octavia Spencer did one like Academy Award winning actor Octavia Spencer. I thought that yeah, Derek, Derek's a genius and I was lucky to get to be a part of that whole process.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:03

And if you're listening right now and you've never seen Drunk History for whatever reason you got to check it out. A lot of homework coming out of this episode really is you see learn about

Mark Gagliardi 24:12

VHS

Hal Lublin 24:14

you were also mark you were the right person to do it. I know you were lucky to be in it but he was lucky or smart enough to have you as the drunk because you love history. I do. And you're the best part of it. Like the people having drunk breakdowns is great. But then trying to get through it and get it right. And your the way you like even like the button that he's on the sand like every time you put on it. It wouldn't have been as good as it was without you.

Mark Gagliardi 24:42

Thanks, man. It was a fun experience. My girlfriend at the time she did not like it because I threw up on the couch. I did not throw up on camera but I threw up on the couch and I threw up in the bed. So the two of us slept in sleeping bags on the floor that night. She I'm not happy with me

Jeff Dwoskin 25:02

how accurate it didn't need to be narrated, I wanted

Mark Gagliardi 25:05

it perfect. I wanted it to be exactly what happened in the story. So I would every time I did it, I got a few weeks to do the studying of the story. And we would always have a phone call with with the producer, not Derek, but Derek sometimes, but one of the producers of the show, just to make sure I knew the story so that when they came, I would be able to tell it like I knew it backwards and forwards. So I would at least kind of know it semi sideways forwards when I was really drunk, but I always I always kind of overdid it. And frequently, the producer Greg would be like, Mark, bring it back. This is like to our story you're telling we need to narrow this down focus on these things. But yeah, I only ever told one lie on that show. One thing that I that I know to be factually inaccurate when I said that I was laying on the floor and I said I like cantaloupe. I do not in fact like cantaloupe,

Jeff Dwoskin 25:55

is it possible you've just never had good cantaloupe.

Mark Gagliardi 25:58

I have tried to like cantaloupe, maybe, you know, maybe if it was like if I was eating mindfully, I'm trying to do better about mindful eating and like you know really taking in the environment and the smells and the way everything feel and you know, like really focusing sort of getting Zen about food. If I did that, I would find some benefit to cantaloupe. But if there's literally anything else to eat, that's what I'm going to pick.

Hal Lublin 26:23

Is that because it tastes sweet, but also a little bit like a sock.

Mark Gagliardi 26:26

I think so. Yeah. Yeah. It's somebody added sugar and lemon to sock tea. Suck on this. Yeah, exactly. actually chew it.

Jeff Dwoskin 26:36

Well, I mean, I'm not gonna I enjoy cantaloupe. But I will not disagree with the fact that cantaloupe and honeydew are the green pepper of fruit. All right, so that's, that's really cool. And then you mentioned Alexander Hamilton was the first episode and then later, the big coup was actually got Lin Manuel to come what's

Mark Gagliardi 26:59

right what I was in his living room when that episode happened, or there when I was there with Lynn talking nerding out about Hamilton stories while they were doing the setups because Derek wanted, Derek wanted for the DVD extras for the hat to have the two of us meat from the very first to the last version. And there's some actually there's some Easter eggs within his telling of the story that are throwbacks to shots from the very first one that I thought was pretty cool. And of course, Lin Manuel knows infinitely more about Alexander Hamilton than I do and is so fired up to tell you about it so that just as like a super fan of that guy. It was one of those really fun things to get to be a part of. I loved Hercules Mulligan was a story that I that I'd never heard before. And I was like, we're talking on the couch and I was like, dude, thank you for introducing me to Hercules Mulligan and he lit up. He's like, Oh my god. He's my favorite character. Okay, so and he just is that guy. Like he just rapid fire goes off about Hercules Mulligan, big fan. Big fan of Lynne.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:01

I've heard him tell the story where he's like reading that ridiculously thick Alexander. I mean, who reads that and goes,

Hal Lublin 28:08

right vacation really?

Mark Gagliardi 28:11

Got a crazy fast brain?

Jeff Dwoskin 28:13

Oh my god. Yeah. Do you ever see him doing it for the President? But before it was like a thing? Yeah, Obama, and they're all like, yes, yeah, it's gotta context I gotta believe like, they must have thought he was crazy.

Mark Gagliardi 28:25

Yeah, if you don't hear the song, the idea of that, but a lot of the idea of a lot of shows I think is crazy. You know what I mean? Right, right. Right. Like an obscure and obscure 60s movie about a plant. Let's make a Broadway musical about that.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:39

That's one of my favorite my poster hanging. Hi. Good. Yes.

Mark Gagliardi 28:44

I love love. It's

Jeff Dwoskin 28:45

a little odd Audrey to point bank

Mark Gagliardi 28:48

like the the little squeezy, 80s rubber coin purse.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:52

No is like it would open up.

Hal Lublin 28:54

Oh, you would drop the coin and she would eat it. I would just walk in the

Jeff Dwoskin 28:57

other day. Doing the dentist song that was like when I was younger, just a bad little kid. My mom I noticed on it things I did. Doo

Mark Gagliardi 29:06

doo doo. I'm gonna keep going. I'm going Jeff.

Jeff Dwoskin 29:11

I wish I could. I wish I'd bought if I knew this was gonna be at I would.

Mark Gagliardi 29:18

Sorry, I don't cry. Let's just be your head wash off your mascara. My Kleenex. Here

Jeff Dwoskin 29:23

we are. Here we are. Oh, how you know, Len Peralta. I just, uh, just kind of met him. I was on the daily tech show. Oh, yeah. And I met him. What a great artist. You kind of do a thing with him or you've done a thing with him. Yeah, we I saw his name and it's like,

Hal Lublin 29:39

yeah, when Peralta super talented artists. I got to know him. He did this geek a day thing on Kickstarter every year where do geek trading cards so I got to be one of the geeks one year so I have a little trading card of me is the Green Lantern, which I love. We were like let's do something together. What are we going to do? And so we just took suggestions from people For a name, and then I would do like a 60 to 92nd improvised monologue, I would just create a character out of a name. And then he would draw a character based on whatever I was doing. It's so

Jeff Dwoskin 30:11

cool. And it was yeah, he's so talented. He drew like this mat al Jaffe, it just it drew during our show one of those fold all things you know, where you kind of, Oh, yeah.

Hal Lublin 30:21

The end of the back of the Mad Magazine, sir.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:24

So cool. was a great, Mark. You did a video with Mickey Rooney. I met?

Mark Gagliardi 30:30

Yeah. Yeah. I did a video of the hero dog awards for was the Hallmark Channel. It was a award show for dogs. Yeah. You said you met him.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:40

I walked up to you with steak. He was doing a play. I think it was playing the wizard in The Wizard of Oz. In Michigan. And he walked by and I went up to him. And I said, Hi, Mr. Rooney. And I shook his hand because they had like this rule that if you don't shake someone's hand, you didn't technically meet that. That's fair. Okay. I don't mean like, guys, like I wouldn't say oh, no, I never met. Yeah.

Mark Gagliardi 31:02

Look, if the police show up, you're still allowed to say you've never met, right? Yeah, you're good. Those guys. I don't know you're talking about.

Hal Lublin 31:10

I didn't shake. Look at my hand. It's clean.

Jeff Dwoskin 31:14

I remember you kind of looked at me. And I was just like, I mean, not that anyone has to appreciate me coming up to them. But it's like, Hey, I know. You're Mickey Rooney. But you're also just an old guys who happens to be standing randomly in this hotel, and I knew who you were, and I think that should have been like, Oh, that's cool. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. Maybe it's just me. I know. We just, it seemed more annoying than Oh, thank goodness after 50 years of since my last movie, someone's still racking.

Mark Gagliardi 31:44

Was that because Dana Carvey had his whole I wish the biggest store in a world his whole impression with Yeah, that was actually the bit sort of that they played on this video was that the video was him doing narration for a ringtone. 10 retrospective, but just constantly making it about himself. But he's a character man. He said I remember at lunch i because he had rolled up in a in a Ford Focus. And I thought you're the biggest star in the world, Mickey. And I asked him I was like, Mickey, I gotta ask you biggest star in the world. I figured you'd roll up in a limousine or a Ferrari or something. And he started laughing. He goes, kid, I driven Ford's my whole life. Because Henry Ford was a friend of mine. And I thought, oh my god, I'm talking to a guy who was friends with the inventor, the the inventor of the assembly line, the namesake of the car, like holy moly, the Henry Ford. So the idea of like, being, like, just like a handshake away from history to that guy seemed very, you know, it's like the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon you think of like, Oh, can I link myself to the cast of that? 70s show? No, this is like, linking yourself to Americana, you know?

Jeff Dwoskin 32:53

Right. And that's and that's how you kind of know they didn't have canceling back then. Yeah, cuz Henry Ford would have Henry. Yeah. You know, your feelings about the Jews. Oh, I'm gonna I gotta switch. I gotta switch. Yeah,

Hal Lublin 33:06

but also if he drives Ford's couldn't have picked a better like an edge or Yeah, right. Well, like something escape. Something a little bigger. That doesn't feel like

Mark Gagliardi 33:15

no, for the back

Hal Lublin 33:17

to make it go. We're focused. Sure. Why not get that

Mark Gagliardi 33:21

big crank that he would take outside and plug it into the back? And sure, get it going.

Jeff Dwoskin 33:28

Guys did Groundlings Second City all that? Did you guys ever toy with Saturday live or audition or anything like that? Yeah, yeah,

Hal Lublin 33:36

I submitted a writer's packet. I never auditioned, I submitted a writer's packet. And I had no idea what I was doing. Like, you know, you learn the formatting really quickly. And then, and then you submit it and all the ideas were stuff that a younger person in comedy would do, which is like, if I can make it offensive and shocking. That's a laugh rather than like, writing something funny in it. Like I feel like at that age, a lot of it is stumbling. Because you don't really know your point of view yet. But it was a really it was really exciting. I submitted it with another writer, like we submitted a packet together and didn't hear anything but that space where we could have heard something was really exciting because I'd been a fan my whole life.

Mark Gagliardi 34:18

You know, I auditioned in LA at our old second or no, it was an IO at ImprovOlympic. They had a bunch of preliminary rounds. And then I got down to there were 12 of us and we auditioned for Lorne Michaels and the most terrified he happened to sit underneath one of the overhead lights at Second City that light the house and they did not turn the house lights off. The second I walk on stage. The first thing I see is Lorne Michaels shock of white hair and him just staring intently, and they took six of the 12 and I was not one of them. But it was cool getting close.

Jeff Dwoskin 34:54

I'm going to stop watching Sorry. Yeah. What could you do? Do a lot of cool impressions I saw like, your whole reel you do. Colin Farrell?

Mark Gagliardi 35:05

Yeah. Eyebrow acting.

Jeff Dwoskin 35:08

Robert Downey Jr. Ordering McDonald's.

Mark Gagliardi 35:11

Oh my god.

Jeff Dwoskin 35:12

That's another good one. Thanks. Everyone's got to find that. That was really good. But there those aren't like common ones.

Mark Gagliardi 35:19

Yeah, I was trying to find stuff because that's the thing about impressions and how you can speak to this to like, I'm sure the once somebody does an impression of someone, it's burned.

Hal Lublin 35:29

Unless you bring something really different, like everybody does a walk in there. It has to be like real, real common, otherwise, everybody does a bad Al Pacino, but Bill Hader does a great watch the correct Al Pacino that when I saw him in that Katrina scatters like our goal to learn more like everything, he just he hears it and nails it. I saw him years and years ago, I used to do a show at Iowa called the Doug perilous late night explosion. It was like a improvised comedy talk show. Very few people were there the audience but there were two guys that did a bit where they were like a two man, they were doing their version of who's on first. And then one of them has like a brain aneurysm and dies. And the other one out of panic just keeps doing their half and like looking at this course. But Bill Hader was one of the two guys and he's the only one from Second City Los Angeles to ever make it on SNL. Yeah, boy, but he's like the gift. It's music, really. But you find their musical note and start from there and try to build it out.

Jeff Dwoskin 36:31

I wish I could. Have you ever. I want to talk like invoices. 24/7. I'd be at restaurants.

Mark Gagliardi 36:39

Just your outgoing message on your cell phone is always a different celebrity. It's like you have your own audio cameo.

Jeff Dwoskin 36:48

My voicemail growing up was me imitating Billy Crystal imitating Muhammad Ali and Leon Spinks, you know from that comedy album, like it shows a higher he's doing Yeah. Like it was. Is that good? At some point. It's everyone's just imprisoning the person who's doing the one on Saturday Night Live normal people like me that is. But that's funny, man. Oh, let's let's talk about your podcast. You got you guys. Well, let's talk about first Thrilling Adventure Hour. Yeah. Tell me about that. This is kind of a throwback and old timey.

Hal Lublin 37:26

Yeah, it's been going since. You know, I always feel we're talking about and here's why. As for the last 18 years, I've been feeding off of marks table scraps. So Thrilling Adventure Hour starts with Ben Acker. And Ben Blacker, who are incredibly gifted and talented writers who were working on all sorts of things at the time and going oh, wouldn't it be nice to have the actors we know they did. They had a reading for they wrote a pilot for Sparks, Nevada, Marshall on Mars, that was actually a character from a Malcolm in the Middle spec that they wrote. And they did this reading, and they have all these talented people. And oh, Padgett was there. You were there. Who was Mark fight that played?

Mark Gagliardi 38:01

It was Holmes Osborne, oh, Nevada, the

Hal Lublin 38:04

original sparks just for that reading. And they were like, We should do a show every month, so that we can keep writing and keep and exposing people to our writing. So you were part of the first show. I didn't come until show I think number three or four. Yeah, and I got in because you had to drop out of a sketch show that Ben Acker was writing at Second City that I got cast in goblins and laughter came, and it went from like, Oh, we're doing the show. We'd love to get you in some time to me doing that show. And boy, like, I'm not a character guy. I wasn't at the time. I'm just gonna do a bunch of characters. And then it was like, come be in it next month. And the rest is history. But it's, it's just a killer lineup and crazy, that we've been doing it for for 18 years.

Mark Gagliardi 38:46

Yeah, since 2005, when we first started doing that show. But you I mean, it's funny. I can't even imagine the era, the pre howl era of that, because there wasn't really a pre house air considering that it's been 18 years, two months. You know what I mean? Two months of free Howl is hilarious, but I still will rub it in. Look, as the senior member

Jeff Dwoskin 39:08

there's entire Facebook groups dedicated to the pre house era.

Hal Lublin 39:12

Oh, yeah, that's huge. Exactly. Tape trading. It's all very big. I get it.

Mark Gagliardi 39:18

Yeah, Thrilling Adventure Hour was the gig of a lifetime. That will always be and has always been my creative family and how and I became brothers when we were in that show, just month after month for weed every month for a decade. And then since then, on road gigs and comic cons and all kinds of other you know, assorted one offs. We went to Australia, New Zealand, for shows down there. And it was it's just been it's just been an absolute gift. In fact, we're doing a Thrilling Adventure Hour on the WGA strike lines we have just because we're all we're all still in each other's lives so much even Though the show ended, we haven't the show ended, I say, but we have another one coming up in June.

Hal Lublin 40:04

Now we keep going. I feel like shows that go on that long. There are always people that have a falling out or dislike one another. And it's just not. It's just never happened with us. This core group has been together for so long in there they are family. And maybe part of it is that we only saw each other once a month. So that was something we all look that was like the highlight of my month, every month. Oh, yeah, we're yours, no matter what else was going on. I knew I was gonna go see my friends get to do this incredibly well written show for a hungry audience that loves it. But the best part of that show was really hanging out backstage and talking to one another, which is where our podcasts kind of started is like trying to capture that. And like, how do we take that experience, and not do just more acting stuff, but just chat to each other? Because I think that's interesting, which is what I love about about this podcast is like, actually having conversations with people and talking to them, to me is fascinating.

Mark Gagliardi 41:00

It was terrifying to me when we first started though, because I had only ever acted. Except for Drunk History where it was telling a story that already existed. I'd never as myself, given my opinions about the world in what I deemed to be an amusing or humorous way. And it took how pulling it out of me. I am riding his coattails on this show and have now for 400 episodes, because I have I'm still scared of just talking as myself, but he met how it makes it easy. And it's fun to like, have it that's why I don't do stand up. I need I need how to bounce the ideas off of I admire you for doing stand up, Jeff because I that that scares the hell out of me.

Hal Lublin 41:45

Me too. I tried it in college. I just wasn't brave enough. And I stopped because I'm not because I wasn't good, which I wasn't. But But I was like I respect this too much. And I know I'm just trying to be other comics I've seen rather than figuring out who I am and being personal. I just I love watching comedy I love comedians have since I was a kid watched, like every HBO special I platypus man memorized. I loved all that stuff. So I just have an immense respect for what you do.

Jeff Dwoskin 42:17

Sorry to interrupt. But if you need to take a moment and go find your own hell go do that real quick. And we're back. We're gonna dive deeper into comedy and Mark and house podcasts coming up and we're back. It's funny when I talk with improvisers, because I think the exact thing that scares you from doing stand up or me from doing improv is kind of almost the same thing like it. It doesn't process to me when you go, Oh, I'm scared of why would you be scared of doing something where you knew what you were going to say? And do you think it's more comforting to go up and have no idea what's going to come out of your mouth for 45 minutes, but you happen to have some people next year to kind of help to me that says like, oh my god, I to me, that's a nightmare. I was like, Oh my god. Well, I

Mark Gagliardi 43:04

think to me, it's I never know or part of it, I guess for me is I never know what an audience is going to laugh at. But I know what I laugh at. And I know what Hal laughs at. So I'm going to try to make her laugh. Or if I'm in an improv group, I know collectively what our group laughs at. So I'm going to try it. I think it zeros the focus in for me, you know what I mean? I just have we're doing it. We got this episode, I just have to make her laugh.

Jeff Dwoskin 43:35

Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes sense. I also

Hal Lublin 43:37

think when you're improvising, you get a lot more grace from the audience, because they know you didn't write anything, you know, the, maybe the best, or a classic compliment would be like you didn't write any of that short, because when it's done well, it feels written. But even then, it might not be as good as the best written, you know, the greatest improvised improvised scene may not be as good as the greatest written scene because you have the time to plan it out and do everything. But the flip side of that is there's an element of the audience that that's just a little bit like leaning back crossed arms, like alright, well, let's see what this person wrote. Rather than, like, we're all in improv everybody's working without a neck because the audience has no idea what's gonna happen.

Jeff Dwoskin 44:18

I'm not 100% sure that the people in the audience know that comedians wrote it ahead of time

Mark Gagliardi 44:23

there. I mean, you see somebody like Brody Stevens doing crowd work. He's the goat of that. And none of that was written, but because it's all just you know, riffing on but that again, that's a conversation. That's a relationship. But yeah, I mean, do you get that when you do stand up shows like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe you just went off on this topic. Like, yeah, no, no, it's in a it's in a notebook. It's rehearsed. I know. I've done that before.

Jeff Dwoskin 44:47

I said something to a guy who was working with the person he brought someone on stage, they said something. And what he said was so funny. I couldn't believe how fast he came back with it. And I said to him after I said, Tim, I Did you think of that so fast? He goes, I didn't. That time. The first time I did. But not that time. Yeah.

Mark Gagliardi 45:06

Put stuff in the hopper.

Hal Lublin 45:08

Yeah. It's only the first time for the audience.

Mark Gagliardi 45:12

I'll be saving you for later. Yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 45:15

I remember seeing people and like, it doesn't click, I think until you see someone do it twice. Yeah, like a UPC the same person do the same thing twice. And you're like, oh, yeah, that was prepared. But I think sometimes it's like going to the theater for some of these folks like to us we live in that world. Yeah, whether it be improper. So like, we know, we know that guy. He just wrote that, or he, he's been doing that for two years. But these people, some of these people show up, and they've never even been to a comedy club. They just assume this is it. And then they leave. And that's that

Mark Gagliardi 45:43

magic trick thing. I think, too. You know, once you know the magic trick and the mechanics of it, then you can fine tune it and craft it, whether that's fine tuning a standup back, or honing your improv skills so that you can jump up at any moment and play any game. But if you don't know that, it really is, it looks like magic. And that's why stand up to me still looks like magic. Right? Well, that's

Jeff Dwoskin 46:05

that's the goal of doing stand up the people that I always looked at, and admired and tried to emulate. Were the ones that made it look like they were just making it up. Yeah. Like, it's almost like someone who was explaining, like an acting technique to me where you'd like to kind of take the words in, but you could just let them come out. You don't like act like to me, like that's the stand up. You know, when you're doing it. It's like, you know, the words. Yeah, like, you don't over prepare it as like, and then you just do it naturally. So that you have that thing where you're feeling like you're making her laugh, or but you're doing it for the audience. Yeah. And so,

Hal Lublin 46:40

yeah, I saw George Carlin in 1997. And I would have sworn before that, there was at least some improvised element to seeing him live. But he just did his album, whatever album had come out, I don't know if it's your all disease, or whatever it was that had just come out. But he did it to a tee it was so tightly put together, you know, watching more about his process. That makes a lot of sense. But like, he had one unscripted moment, the whole thing where he got tangled in his mic, wire, and it was like 15 seconds, gotta laugh, and then right back in. So it's an it but it's still feel if you hadn't heard the album, then you would think this was all coming off the top of his head, just the way he followed and the way he built but it was it's like so tightly choreographed. And then you watch Robin Williams, who is off the wall and getting non sequitur to himself all over the place. And they're equally brilliant even. It's such an incredible art form for that reason.

Mark Gagliardi 47:37

Absolutely. That really, it just is. It's just you have X amount of minutes on a bear stage with an audience, make them laugh at its core. That's all it is. And that's some people do it with a guitar. Some people do it with a puppet. Some people do it, extemporaneously. Some people do it with well crafted words that they've memorized. 55 minutes of whatever it is, you know,

Jeff Dwoskin 48:00

to me, I'm sure it's the same for improv. There's nothing greater in the world than making strangers laugh, like just making them laugh. And I don't know if you guys ever make yourselves laugh on stage. So you say I mentioned with improv, I would like sometimes if I ever slipped, it said something off the cuff. I could make myself laugh. Yeah, that's actually how I found out I had a bald spot. I was recording myself. And there's like, there's nobody there. It's like a fundraiser though. So it's depressing. And there's people and like, would you raise money for a cat? And then I laughed or something. And like, I leaned over, and the camera catches the top of my head. And I said to my wife, when who was going to tell me? I have no hair? Right? Yeah. And she's like, we're afraid to tell you because I was the guy that had no forehead in high school. You know, like, I had the mullet. You know, like, it was just huge, and the front and the back end, but it's nowhere where I can see it in a mirror. That was the only time I had seen it. As anyway, so that's why you shouldn't make yourself laugh. Speaking of laughing Yeah, we got this with Mark and how we started to kind of go into it. So this is a such a great podcast. Thanks. You guys pick like, some kind of debate. And then you solve the debate. Important stuff like best salad. Yeah, as I dish for pizza. I dug I was I was listening to the one just recently also, Alien vs. Aliens, which was quite a debate. It was

Mark Gagliardi 49:29

it was an intense debate. How came up with the premise for this when we were backstage at Thrilling Adventure Hour, like you said, you know, we're just shooting the breeze backstage and we would get into dumb debates about things. And he said, let's do this as a podcast. Since Thrilling Adventure Hour is ending its 10 year run. And we started doing it with our first episode, which was should you put ketchup on a hot dog? And I thought can we do 50 minutes of this? And turns out yeah, we can get in the weeds as you are bout to find out the spoiler coming soon. We've got a special episode coming up. It's fun to get people on who think they don't have an opinion about something. And then it turns out they do very much have an opinion about it and get really animated.

Jeff Dwoskin 50:14

You got me kind of spiraling right now in this ketchup thing on a hotdog. I mean, only like a heathen or a six year old should be allowed to do

Mark Gagliardi 50:21

Yeah, Barack Obama's response when asked by Anthony Bourdain, I believe it was, should you put ketchup on a hot dog? He went? Yep. If you're six, and that was it.

Jeff Dwoskin 50:33

Nailed it. But that's

Hal Lublin 50:34

like the stuff, you immediately have a feeling about it, right. And if we were all hanging out in a bar, or over dinner, we could probably sit and talk about it for for half hour, 45 minutes, just just like going off on it one way or the other. Yeah. So to take that and be like, alright, Mark and I are, we're the Supreme Court of dumb things. So we're not necessarily we wind up sometimes on the opposite side, but we're trying to work together to to settle it once and for all for all time, that we have ones like aliens, Aliens vs alien, where we get really like, it's not as it's not as heavy on the comedy, but it's a lot of like, we both feel really passionate passionately about it. And these are movies we enjoy. And my absolute favorites are just the off the wall, we did one that was liquid soap, bar soap or Foam Soap, that is maybe like 4040 45 minutes of just complete lunacy. Because we're just you learn a lot about us. And we make fun of ourselves, and the idea of what we're doing. So not taking any of it seriously, but also taking it intensely seriously. Yeah, somehow it works.

Mark Gagliardi 51:39

That's the tongue planted firmly in cheek.

Jeff Dwoskin 51:41

Now, but it's great because you know, once you start to like, recognize why do we do certain things, then you start to realize, Oh, I was programmed to kind of just think that way. And you if you'd start to reverse it a little bit, you can start to have real real opinions. Yeah. I love it. I love it. Everyone. Go you got this way. You gotta you gotta go check out we got this with Mark and Howard's on Apple. It's everywhere. Wherever you're listening to this. You can find that. And I promise you that's a great, great, great, listen, you gotta go check out Gary Busey. Yeah. And Drunk History if you've never seen it and Drunk History. So there's so much so much to do. Thank you guys for hanging out with me. This was so fun. Oh, this was

Mark Gagliardi 52:25

a treat. Thank you for having us.

Hal Lublin 52:26

Thank you for coming on. Thank you for having us. I forgot. Wow, that's that was on. That's fine. Listen, I'm Wow, how has

Mark Gagliardi 52:33

just commandeered your show. Very sick. Thanks for coming on the show.

Hal Lublin 52:37

I'll take it from here.

Mark Gagliardi 52:39

Thanks for coming on. Classic conversations starring Hal Lublin I record so many podcast

Hal Lublin 52:45

episodes that a week I've just used to when I see a face in zoom. That isn't somebody normally or COVID that to say thanks for coming on.

Mark Gagliardi 52:53

I'm your BetterHelp therapist. What do you mean? Thanks for coming on.

Hal Lublin 52:57

Thanks. Thanks for coming on. I really appreciate it.

Jeff Dwoskin 53:01

It's been great being here. I appreciate you having me on my show. It's everything I heard it was Yeah.

Hal Lublin 53:11

I wanted to talk to you about processing the death of your mother and then you asked me what kind of hostess cakes I like. We still have to charge you for this. You understand that right? Anyway, thanks for coming on.

Mark Gagliardi 53:22

Oh, God, up next in the chair. Thank you very much. Oh, that was so fun to

Jeff Dwoskin 53:30

All right. How awesome was Hal Lublin and Mark Gagliardi definitely check out we got this with Mark and Hal maybe specifically episode 429 with guest Jeff Dwoskin where we talk about best TV car I hear that's a very good episode to start with. So check that out. Loved hanging with him. Mark so many great stories, man, go check out Gary Busey pet judge as well and Drunk History. If you haven't seen that so much, goodness, so much homework. I know you're gonna be busy after you hit stop here. Anyway. Well, with the interview over, I can only mean one thing I know the interview is over the episodes over can't believe it myself. Huge. Thank you to my guests and new pals Hal Lublin and Mark Gagliardi And a huge thanks to rose for hooking us up. And a huge thanks to all of you for coming back week after week. It means the world to me, and I'll see you next time.

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