#136 The Fascinating Saga of TV Writer, Producer and Stand-Up Comedian Sue Kolinsky

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All right, Carrie, thank you so much for that amazing introduction. And you got this show go on each and every week, and this week was no exception. Welcome to Episode 136 of classic conversations, the classic guest conversations in all of the podcast universe. I wrote it down. I read it. It must be true. I've got an amazing guest for you today. Oh yes, I do. Sue Kolinsky is here. That's right. Three time Emmy nominated producer, TV writer, comedian. If you love the Osborne's, then you love Sue Kolinsky if you love newlyweds, then you love Zuko Lansky if you love the first season of Sex in the City that you love zoo Kolinsky Sue Kolinsky has done it all. And we dive into her comedy career that time she was on Star Search, and so much more. Oh, you're gonna love this. You're gonna love this conversation. And that's coming up in just a few minutes.

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I hope you Brady Bunch fans did not miss my interview from last week. Lloyd J. Schwartz. Oh, we talked Brady. We talked Brady Bunch, like no one else has ever talked Brady Bunch in the world. That's right. I wrote that down. I read it. It's true. Check out my conversation with Lloyd J. Schwartz. He's amazing. shoreward Schwartz's son, but he's done so much so much and brought so much joy to the world Brady Bunch reuniting Gilligan's Island getting them off that island of course they ended up back on the island but let's not let's not go there.

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That's just from my Heart speaking from my heart, I'm excited to share my interview with Sue Klinsky. With you. You're about to learn about her three decades in comedy, her amazing work on reality shows when reality shows were real, like the Osborne's and you're gonna walk away going Vaughn meter. I gotta look that guy up. Why am I gonna tell you? You got to listen. That's coming up right now.

Jeff Dwoskin 5:24

All right, everyone. I'm excited to introduce you to my next guest TV writer, a three time Emmy nominated producer, sports blogger, co host of culture, podcast, comedian, and I used to comedian. I don't do stand up anymore. Now. Former stand up comedian. No, there's really no such thing. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the show. Sue Kolinsky. Hi, Sue.

Sue Kolinsky 5:48

Hi, Jeff. It's great to finally meet you face to face.

Jeff Dwoskin 5:52

Yes. This is so nice. It's thank you for doing my little podcast with me. I appreciate it.

Sue Kolinsky 5:59

Yeah, well, I listened to your podcast. And it was a lot of fun. I was like, Hey, how do I get me on that?

Jeff Dwoskin 6:04

Yeah, that's it is it's a hoot. I was listening to your podcast as well, your hosts and our podcast friends as well. So this is awesome. But let's not talk shop. Well, Doc shopping all the time. Well, dude. You've got a fascinating career. I'm excited to talk to you about it. But I know you said you're not a stand up comedian anymore. But I know that's your roots are in stand up. Yes. So how did the bug bite? Yeah. How did you kind of get into stand up comedy?

Sue Kolinsky 6:37

My parents bought the first family album that was Vaughn meter. Who did John Kennedy. Did you? Did you know of that? Than you? I think

Jeff Dwoskin 6:48

I you know, I've heard you talk about him. So I did a little research on him. So you can do a little mini report on him. So I'm familiar. But go ahead. Go ahead with your story. And then we can.

Sue Kolinsky 6:58

So I'm the youngest of five. And one of my brothers from listening to the record, started doing an impression of John Kennedy, which opted me to do an impression of John Kennedy. So at like five, I started to do impressions. And then as I got a little bit older, I kind of had the whole kind of corral of people that I did. And because my voice is deep, I only did men. So I did like John Wayne and you know, James Cagney, and then I do Nixon. And then I became a really big fan of Impressionists like Frank Ocean was my all time favorite. And then, you know, rich little and David fry, I started to do it the first time I ever did it publicly, you know, because I used to, you know, entertain the family and relatives would come over and it's like, oh, look, Sue, you know, she could do jonway. And I'd be like, and then I want to do it. And they were like, I bet you can't do it, you know, trying to you know, use reverse psychology on me to get me to do my show in the living room. And then I became friendly with a group of actors. Someone told me about this. Someone was doing like an even like a variety show. And they said, If you anything that you are talented in do, you can, you know, audition and see if you can get a spot on it. So just a potpourri of singers, dancers, whatever I did my impressions, and it went over really well. And then it's kind of a tangent here, but my godmother, I was living in New York, I was living in Long Island where I grew up, and my aunt was living in Brooklyn, and her neighbor was a wardrobe mistress for films. And she found out that I did impressions. She said, Oh, you should go to this. There's a club in New York City called the improvisation you should go there. It's just it's all comedians. So I did a little research. I was around 18 At the time, and I went into the city and you had at the time, you had to get there early in the day, and you waited online, and you had to pick a number from a hat. And that number dictated what time of the evening they would sprinkle on the auditioners during the regular show and I got a pretty early number did great past got invited back and had no idea of the inner workings of what passing meant, or I thought that every time you went back on stage you had to do something different I didn't know that you can do the same thing. So I wrote a completely different set didn't do as well never got spots and then just stopped doing it and thought you know, I'll see what happens when I get older maybe I need to like really rethink this. A couple years later, I auditioned to catch a rising star which was the other premier club in the city pass there never really got spots I was what they would call you do you did or I don't know if you still do stand up but we were considered late night comics, which meant that we went on anywhere from like one to two Three o'clock in the morning when hardly anybody was there. But it was a real test of your commitment to being a comedian. And if you could tough that out, and you can go on in front of three people and not get disenchanted and just still believe in yourself, then it was going to pay off. And that's basically what happened to the comic strip soon open. That was the third club. And when I first started, Dennis Miller was a late night guy. I don't think he lived in New York used to come in from Pittsburgh. So it was just a whole you know, we were we would the late night comics and developed a camaraderie and then I ended up prematurely moving out to LA, which was prompted by a horrible breakup. I just did not want to be in the city anymore. Went out to LA auditioned at the Comedy Store, past at the Comedy Store, asked at the Improv out there, stayed out there for, I don't know, maybe like four years, got some spots, but really, it didn't really catapult my career. And because the competition in LA was much it was just it was stronger than it was in New York. And I thought, you know, I need to get stage time I started getting a couple of gigs here and there. I was actually working as a legal secretary. And my boss was a really cool guy. And he was very supportive of me wanting to pursue my career. The first gig I got was at a place in Sacramento last laughs on Lanham Unlimited, I was the opening act. And he let me take off, he said, I will always let you take off of work if you could fill your seat. And I was a legal secretary. I mean, I was I never I knew nothing about law. I just, you know, answered phones, type letters, and my cousin would come and fill in for me, like one of my friends came in and filled in for me. And then I started to get gigs. And I finally was able to quit. I moved back to New York, I got a lot of college gigs. And that kind of heightened by my bank account. And then I just stayed in New York for for pretty long time and really, really got to work on my craft. I stopped doing the impressions and just started just talking about my life. And whatever. I did it for probably close to 30 years. I did stand up.

Jeff Dwoskin 12:05

Amazing. It's interesting how they kind of bottled you as a late night comic, I think in Michigan, I was considered the mom's favorite.

Sue Kolinsky 12:13

What's that about?

Jeff Dwoskin 12:15

All the other comedians ago? You're my mom's favorite? Oh, that was always I was always older than everyone. So I that was my demo.

Sue Kolinsky 12:22

And how did how did you? How did you start?

Jeff Dwoskin 12:24

That's a great question. I was always really funny at work. And I would be funny at like the all hands meetings, you know, those big staff calls and I would just get up it started were like, I was working in this one particular sales company, but I was really out of Chicago, but I'm in South and Michigan. So I had a little more leeway with what I could get away with because these people weren't my direct bosses. So I do basically routines. When I would do my presentations. I was a hook. And then I had a web development company in the late 90s Here in Michigan. And Mark Ridley's comedy Castle was one of our very first websites that we did. And I had remember that on their website, they had comedy classes. And so everyone's like, you totally need to do that. And so I was like, I, I never had the guts to like, just walk in one day and walk on stage. Right. But so I took this writing class, I think it was like a couple of months. Then you do like, seven minutes. And I just that was 20 years ago. I just never stopped. It was just so much fun.

Sue Kolinsky 13:24

Wow, seven minutes. I mean, that's that's a long time. I think. I think the auditions in New York are like five minutes.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:30

Yeah, Michigan, were they there? Yeah, right. That's I always heard like LA, New York, like three, five minutes. Like we were blessed with seven here in Michigan, probably not as many copies.

Sue Kolinsky 13:40

And then when you think of it, you know, I did Star Search early on in my career, the first rendition of it with Ed McMahon. The sets were two minutes.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:48

That's incredible. So So tell me about that. Because you won, at least your I won, right? Or at least couple rounds.

Sue Kolinsky 13:53

I went I actually gotten to the semifinals. But I was lucky because I did the first show of the season, and I went up against a comedian named John Mulrooney. Do you know who John is?

Jeff Dwoskin 14:03

I looked him up. He's from Brooklyn, like yes, he was a very, very

Sue Kolinsky 14:07

popular New York comedian, kind of a blue collar guy. He was touted to win the whole thing. And his managers were Rick Messina, who has since become, you know, huge manager you managed, you know, to carry and he still manages Tim Allen. But at the time, he had just started to cultivate his clientele. And then a guy named Bill Boggs. I don't know if you know, Bill Boggs. He was a local, he had a local talk show, like daytime talk show in New York. And then there was another guy, rich Baker. So the three of them came to the show. The thing was, is that we had an audition just to kind of get the semantics of the flow of the show and all the different acts from the dancers to the singers to the bands. And the comics had to show up in the afternoon and run through their performance. So John decided that he wasn't going to come to the rehearsal on know whether he thought he was too big to do it. He thought it wasn't important. Well, it turned out that we had similar material about working out and I went first. So that really screwed him up, because my jokes were funny. They were really, really good. And I wouldn't say that his jokes were bad. It's just that they heard they heard the topic already, but I remember being in the greenroom and I just came by myself. I didn't have a posse, you know, it was like a young comedian. So he comes in with his management team. They're like trying to psych me out in the greenroom. And like, I knew Rick Messina. Rick Messina was a bartender at a comedy club in Long Island. So I knew Rick forever. And we were very friendly. So it was like, What do you guys trying to do? He kind of shake me down here and try to like intimidate me. So I beat him the first episode and I, I had like three and three, and three and 3.7. So three, and what is it like I had almost four stars. I was one quarter short of four stars. So I won. And then I won the second time. And then the third time I tied, I lost to the audience, they voted for the other guy. And what I was upset about was that any of the judges, if they knew you, they had to excuse themselves from being a judge. And one of the judges did know me. He wasn't my agent, but he worked at an agency that later be he'd later became my agent, but we were just friends. But he knew me. So he excused himself. And if he didn't excuse himself, that one vote from that Judge, I would have one and that never would have went to the audience. But because my scores were so high, it was a seat. It was kind of an a kind of an outlier season. A lot of comedians didn't score very high and a lot no one went on like a major run. So because my scores were high, I got into the semifinals.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:53

That's awesome. But they should have if there's a conflict of interest, they should just get a new judge.

Sue Kolinsky 16:58

Yes. So they did get in they did get it. I think they did. They had maybe backup judges. So they did get a new judge. And I guess that judge didn't didn't obviously didn't vote for me. But the thing is, this is the kicker. When it came to the semi finals, I went up against a guy named Mark McCollum. I don't know if you remember him, but he was a, he did cartoon voices and played guitar as most conventional standups frowned upon kind of a prop guy. So he beat me. But I found out after my set that one of the agents from his agency was a judge. And that was all judging that that had nothing to do with the with the audience. This was the judges made the decision. And he beat me. I didn't cause a stink about it. But I just thought, well, that's unfair. I mean, they kicked out the guy who knew me who wasn't even my agent, and now someone from his agency is a judge and they get to stay.

Jeff Dwoskin 17:48

That is ridiculous. We should we're gonna post these people's names online later.

Sue Kolinsky 17:54

Is the statute is the statute up Jeff,

Jeff Dwoskin 17:56

I think you got one more year we got one year to make a difference here. We're gonna ruin some lives. Hashtag avenge Sue.

Sue Kolinsky 18:06

Well, it's also because it was it was the money thing too, because and of course, my year in prior years, you got $1,000 If you were on the show, and you've got an additional 1000 If you want my year, you just got $1,000 for being on the show. You didn't get the extra cash. So if I would have beat this guy, I mean, I could have got into the finals. He won $100,000 This guy he won the whole thing that year, that would

Jeff Dwoskin 18:31

have been nice. I we're we're gonna have to learn his life. Nobody hurts Sue Qatari. So that is an awesome story. I you know, it was interesting, because I had heard you talk about this Vaughn meter. I didn't know who he was. But it's always interesting to me, like the one thing that kind of, you can say like, Oh, this one thing happened. And then it inspired so much. And so I did a little research on this because I was just kind of fascinated. So by the time I figured out how to spell his name, it became very easy to do the research. So interestingly enough, this album was rejected by everyone when they were trying to make it because they didn't want to upset the White House. And then this small company called Candace, I believe if I can read my handwriting, they decided they would produce it a went on to win Album of the Year and became the biggest selling album of like all time, at that time. fastest selling market of all time was 6.5 million albums. It's like an insane story.

Sue Kolinsky 19:28

Ally. See, I didn't I didn't know that. But who was I'm trying to I'm blanking on the name of one of the head writers. He was like a major comedy writer he went on to write on Get Smart. We have to look it up because I can't believe I'm blanking on his name. He was in defending your life. Book, Henry. Yes, Buck Henry. So he was one of the writers on on the show. And ironically, this was crazy. My parents were friends with a stand up comedian when I was growing up. His name was Mack Robbins. He was not very well known. He had a big part in funny people. He played the old timer comedian, not funny people. Oh god. Here we go again. It was the movie with with Tom Hanks and Sally Field punchline. So he had he played the old timer comic in that. So when I was growing up, he was like my idol because he was a stand up comedian and he was kind of like he was a Borscht Belt comedian who wasn't like, you know, he was like the JV part. You know, he wasn't, you know, pat, pat Henry and shakey green, but he performed with all those guys. And he knew Vaughn meter. So I got to him. I didn't get to meet Vaughn meter, but I got his autograph. And I had it for the longest time. And I had it in. I had it in like a pants pocket or something and put my clothes in the lawn and my mother washed it and completely ruined it. This poor guy. I mean, did you I don't know how much you've read about him. They kind of talked about it a bit in the marvelous marvelous Mrs Maisel, because when Kennedy was assassinated, and he was told about it, he got a phone call about it. He thought people were kind of screwing with him because that was his career. That's all he did. Right? Right. And he never He never bounced back from that thank you became like a raging alcoholic. And it was very, very sad. But he his impression of him was, I mean, it was brilliant.

Jeff Dwoskin 21:17

Right? I read that he sold the movie rights and that Bill Hader at one time was ported to play him. And then there was one other color. One other kind of thing of note, which was interesting is that if you go online and you watch his appearance, what they say is the voice and gestures seem broad and obvious, but that's because he set the standard like everything we've seen since is based on von meters impression of John Kennedy. And you're right when when Kennedy died, so did his career. The obliteration of that works great, but I gave was I did see that he went on to star and Linda Lovelace for President 1975 Maybe not star, he had a guest appearance, but so did Mickey Dolenz of the monkey, so I'm not sure that's what he wanted to end but the good news is inspired. Let's let's see. It's just fun. It's just amazing. I wonder, I wonder if other people has anyone ever else told you? Oh, yeah. I love that, though. That inspired me to

Sue Kolinsky 22:16

like something that inspired them. Oh, no, that that particular album, the First Family? Um, well, you know, a while ago on Facebook, somebody had posted you know, what are your favorite comedy albums? And obviously, that was one of mine. And a lot of other comedians had posted that it was that and it was Alan Sherman who did. Hello, Mata Hello, Fatah. It was all about that summer camp and I went to sleepaway camp for like six summers. So that really resonated with me Flip Wilson, because he was one of the people that I impersonated trying to think what other comedy albums you know, we didn't I didn't grow up with like Bill Cosby wasn't one of the top although he was you know, big comic back then. Like Richard Pryor. My parents would never have a Richard Pryor album in the house. Oh, Don Rickles, hello dummy that. And you know, who really influenced me the most was Alan King, is I used to watch Alan King on Ed Sullivan show as a kid. And you know, he was Jewish. He was I think he lived in LA mom's positive. He lived in Long Island, where I grew up, everything he talked about was so relatable, just all the Jewish, the Jewishness of life, and the complaining and the sitting by you know, there's always a draft and you know, just sending back food, and is that what you're wearing? And you know, just all the things that I heard my entire upbringing, and that's what really, really made me want to be a comedian.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:43

I knew you're Jewish. When you said you went to summer camp for six summers. Only Jews understand that right now. Jewish people. You mean, you went away for a weekend? No, two months, what?

Sue Kolinsky 23:54

Two months. And you know, I'm the youngest of my family of five. So I didn't go to camp with my oldest brother who's 11 years older than me. But I went with my two brothers and my sister. And the first year I went to camp, I was nine years old. My mother sent me away for two months at nine. So I can only imagine that five kids was so overwhelming to her that the opportunity to not have any of her children for two months out of the year. It was like sign me up. I don't care how much it is.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:29

That's how we were love the kids. But to get that like two months, where all of a sudden during the summer, where you're like, oh, it's like we're first married again. And we're like before kids we can do anything we want and then we'd have friends that would have multiple kids like wow, you know Sally's friends go first session and and you know, bellies friends go second session, so they go different sessions. That way we get time with one of them, but I'm like, What? No, that just says you're paying the same amount of money to get no times here. South no time, no time. That's insane.

Sue Kolinsky 25:03

And the thing is, is that the camp that I went to was really a meatballs kind of camp. But it was a meatballs kind of camp where people were doing drugs like there was one of the counselors, he got kicked out of the camp because they found drugs in the bunk. My last year of count, I only went half summer. And this is a testament to how cool my mom was a friend of mine had, at the time you were able to send in to win to win like a radio station, you were able to send in postcards to win tickets to concerts, and he filled out like, I don't know how many but probably 100 or more to win tickets to see the stones at Madison Square Garden. It was 1972. And Stevie Wonder was on the bill, who else was on the bill? What a surprise that I'm forgetting. There's a couple of other like big names that were on the bill. But Stevie Wonder was one of them. It was one of the months of camp, it was in July. And I said to my mother, you don't understand. I can't go to camp in July. I have to see this concert. I was 15. And she saw how important it was for me. So she allowed me to go just in August and at 15. I took a friend of mine. The second month, I said you should come to camp with me. Someone I had grown up with. I brought pot with me to camp at 15 I guess there was probably there was a rat in the bunk, because because I had it like in my trunk and it was hidden and someone told on me and Tom and the one of the directors, they were two directors of the camp. Now he had known me since I was nine years old. Not only did he know me, he knew my whole family, my cousins went so he found out that I brought pot to camp, and he never ever told my parents. He just said to me, I want you to throw it out. And that was it. And he never brought it up again. He could have gotten me in so much trouble. But he really he loved me and he loved my family. And he'd said I'm not going to do that to you. But just get rid of it. That is very nice of him there. So here I'm here. My parents were sending me to a camp where it was totally insane. I mean, it was it really was meatballs. My sister who's three years older than me. She and her girlfriends stole all of the boys camp or the the older boys camp DVDs, white DVDs, and Dynam pink. And we had what they call lineup you know for meal. So in the morning, you lined up before breakfast, they put it on the flagpole. And then to get the women back. They went into their bunks and stole all their bras and put those on the flagpole. So that was the kind of crazy camp that I went to. And it was the greatest greatest thing I ever did in my life was go to summer camp. Yeah, Camp

Jeff Dwoskin 27:46

camp is is the greatest. Did you go? Yes, I went, Yeah, I went more later during high school. And then I was counselor and unsupervised at camp as well. So I spent many a summer at camp. It was a good time. I remember my counselor being hauled out because they fired him because he was drinking or something. They do their best to contain everything. But it's like, you know, looking into like when you play like kids that age.

Sue Kolinsky 28:19

Whether you can't you can't keep your eyes on on everybody. And you know, we snuck out, you know, as as you know, preteens we would sneak out and there was a like a local store down the block that sold these amazing cookies that were synonymous for upstate New York and maybe they're more national now, but they were called fry hofers Chocolate chip cookies, and you can only get them in upstate New York. And they were it was like a drug. They were like the greatest cookies in the world. Sounds delicious. So we used to sneak out and go to that store. And we you know, it was look, you know, we were away from our parents, so we did anything we could to get away with stuff. I mean, that was the whole point of camp.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:59

I would challenge the cookie my grandma would send me cookies they were the best cookie Okay, all right. My favorite thing and friends you ever watch Friends like when the Phoebe's like I had the greatest recipe and it turns out it's just a Toll House recipe on the back of the best the man so from camp and doing stand up like where did you Where did you transition from being a stand up to riding on like Sex in the City and all that which is my wife's favorite show? Ever, by the way? So

Sue Kolinsky 29:28

I made a conscious decision to kind of put stand up on the backburner when I realized that no one was going to create a show about to Kolinsky they just weren't I didn't have the kind of act that really lent itself to that. So I saw my future as a stand up the rest of my life, being on the road and like look, I had such a great stand up career. I did USO shows for many years. I traveled all over the world. World I worked with Bob Hope but not not uso, but I worked with Bob Hope I worked with Milton Berle I did a week with Rosemary Clooney. I mean, I hung out with all these like iconic acts. And it was amazing. But I just did not want to have a life on the road. I just I was in a long relationship with somebody. So I had a good friend who I knew from New York, she was a dancer, and then she became an actress. And she was a waitress at a comedy club in New York. And I never really I never hung out with her outside the club. But whenever I was booked at the club, we cultivated this really fun friendship. And then she moved to LA before I did, and then when I moved out, I found out that she was living out here, and we totally connected. And she was she had started to, she was a writer, kind of chip off the old block. Her father was a writer. So she said, You want to try to write a spec script and see if we can get a job. So we wrote our first one, we wrote a Elon, and then we wrote a mad about you. The first the first Elon, the first Elon, okay. And then we wrote a mad about you, and we ended up getting an agent right away. We signed with CAA actually, right away, and then we wrote Larry Sanders, and that was probably I mean, the other two scripts I felt were great. But The Larry Sanders, I think, really kind of put us in a whole other league, and we got a job on a show called brotherly love with the Lawrence brothers. Well,

Sue Kolinsky 31:30

exactly. And it was really cool, because the guys that ran the show, were a comedy team. Back in the day, they were the first comedians that I met online, at the Improv, and their names were it was schmuck and Valley. And then they became the funny boys. And they had co created the show. They were big with Thomas, the producers with Thomas, they were big with Thomas writers, they wrote on Golden Girls and blossom. And so they loved our script. They knew me forever. So we got a job writing on that. And it was the second season. It started on NBC. And then NBC dropped the show. And we got on the show when it was on the web, and then it got canceled. And we were like, Okay, what are we going to do? We got to like, you know, we got to write more spec scripts, whatever. And then we got when we actually created a show that had some similarity to Sex in the City. But it was it was two women. And you know, she grew up in Manhattan, I grew up in Long Island lived in Manhattan. So our sensibilities was, you know, very New York. And we got the two of us got invited to a taping of a Dice Clay pilot. And while we were there, we just bonded with a woman writer, and they were saying to us, oh, so what are you doing? What do you guys write and what you know, what are you working on? And we told her that we had come up with this idea. And she said, Oh, God, I hate to tell you this. But you know, there's a show, very similar. That's, that just got picked up for HBO. I looked at my partner and I said, Well, I guess we have to get a job on it. Michael Patrick King was one of the CO was one of the executive producers and Michael and I, we came up together we were very good friends. I have to say that I had to cosign a credit card for him when he was a struggling artist in New York living in a schlocky basement apartment on the Upper West Side. So he owes you he owes you do is make we couldn't get a meeting. They basically said they weren't seeing anybody. So you know, we were like hounding our agents. We were at CAA. We're like we're CAA clients. What do you mean, you can't get us a meeting and they were like, they're just not seeing anybody. You know, they're not hiring anybody. They're going to do the show themselves. And I'm like, Oh, God, this is ridiculous to New Yorkers. One who's a stand up comedian. You know, how could you not even meet with us and Michael, so I didn't, I didn't call Michael. But I called up someone that I knew at HBO, Carolyn Strauss, who was a big shot at that HBO and I called her up and I said, Carolyn, you know, because she knew me. She knew my whole stand up career. I said, Carolyn, you gotta get us a meeting. So we finally get a meeting. And we have a great, great meeting with them. And I do think it was our Larry Sanders that they really spoke to, but I the reason why I think we we actually sealed the deal was that after the meeting, they walked us to the door. And Michael just randomly said, what do you what do you think about anal sex? And I said, Only if Quaaludes are involved. And he laughed, and we left. And the next day, we found out we got the job.

Jeff Dwoskin 34:35

All right. There's what plus one for NSX V? Go. I'm a fan of the show, not the renewable one, but I've watched watched probably a million times because my wife was obsessed with sex in the city. We had the whole DVDs when that was a thing when you would buy. It was obsessed with trivia. So I've seen every episode probably a million times I worked with on stand up Chris gasps that Overeater that over ate her. Everything we went once to New York, my wife and I, and we ate everywhere they ate on Sex in the City.

Sue Kolinsky 35:11

Oh, that's fun. That's great. It was I actually did that with the show the affair. I went out to Montauk. And a friend of mine has a house out in East Hampton. And we went to the lobster roll. We went to all the plate when then you know, the windmill the library. Yeah, it was fun.

Jeff Dwoskin 35:27

Why did they change season one to season two? Or at least the talking to the camera thing? And like the early season was much different when Sex in the City and Sex in the City? Yeah,

Sue Kolinsky 35:35

yeah, I don't know. I only wrote on it the first season. My partner and I split up. And then I, I, you know, you know, writing a spec script by myself. And I was actually really pissed at her that she wanted to break up the team. And it was really, really hard for me. She just wanted to write by herself. You know, it's like, okay, whatever. And then I got a I got a radio gig in New York. So I, I took a little break from writing TV, went to New York with my now podcast, my podcast partner, Steve Mason, Dave Mason, I used to do a lot of golf. So I used to do a lot of celebrity golf events. And especially, I mean, I'm not a great golfer, but at the time, I was not really good at all, but I could play so Richard Karn from home improvement. He started this charity event, it was to raise money for for cancer, breast cancer. The events were in Seattle, so I did like, I don't know, maybe it was like four years of it. And one of the years and it was like Samuel Jackson, Bill Gates, all these like big athletes. Josh Charles, I mean, you Dennis Haysbert, all these big big acts came so we all hung out. I mean, I was like hanging out with Samuel Jackson. It was like a blast. It was and one year Steve was doing he was doing a radio show with his now partner. This was in the beginning years of him doing his show. He ended up doing it remotely in Seattle, what they included a baseball aspect at along with the golf so it became a weekend event became a week event. Kathy Landman comedian Kathy Gladman. She's good friend of mine. So Kathy and I got invited to go into the booth with Mark Harmon and Steve, who I'd never met and do color commentary on the game. That's awesome. Dave and I just hit it off, famously. And that led to me coming on his show in LA. And then I had a segment on Fridays called crazy Sue. And it was this crazy trivia thing that I would do. And then he got this new york gig to host on WCW. I like this iconic radio station that I grew up listening to. And he called me up. And he said, Do you want to come on the show? Do you want to be my partner, and I didn't have to audition. I just went to New York. And they just booked me sight unseen. But I ended up getting a gig at Caroline's I was still doing standup at the time, because I never I never completely stopped doing stand up. Even during a lot of my writing years. I still kept a foot in the standup door. So I was a Caroline's and all the top people from the station who hired me came to see me. Like, let's see what we hired, you know, and it was magical. It was a great, great night. I did that with Steve for like a year and a half.

Jeff Dwoskin 38:20

That sounded so much right. That would be I think, talk soup type thing would be number one, and then doing some kind of radio thing would be a really cool job.

Sue Kolinsky 38:29

Yeah, you know, it's cool, because, you know, as a stand up, and you know, I mean, it was it was kind of an extension of being a stand up without actually having to look at the audience. So it was live. We had people that called in, it was freeing in that. And it's such a comic thing. You got that one person who's not laughing and looking at you. And it's like, oh my god, seriously, and you just focus on that everybody else is laughing but that one person is just the thorn in your side. So you didn't have that with with radio. You just did what you did. You know, you invited on whoever you wanted to invite on. We had comics on every Friday, and we had great guests. I mean, it was we had like Terry Gillespie. We had elettaria Gillespie, Terry Gilliam from Monty Python. Eric Idle came on. We had you know, a lot of authors. We had Joe banana, Jr. Mob guy he came on.

Jeff Dwoskin 39:24

That's awesome. That's really really Yeah, it

Sue Kolinsky 39:26

was really, really cool. So

Jeff Dwoskin 39:27

it sounds fun. Yeah, it was fun. You casually mentioned Milton Berle Bob Hope earlier. So you were a Bob Hope's young comedian special. I am embarrassed. I didn't even know about hope. I mean, Rodney, I've heard rod nice of course, who else was on that special with you

Sue Kolinsky 39:43

mark Pitta. Kevin Meany, Wayne Carter, Karen Kilgariff. And I think Margaret Smith was on a two I'm almost positive that's really

Jeff Dwoskin 39:54

cool. So you got to hang with Bob Hope that's that's kind of neat.

Sue Kolinsky 39:58

Well, you know what was cool Was that and you know Phyllis Diller was a guest on it. And, and Alan Thicke was a guest on it. And I got to know Phyllis Diller through a friend of mine, a comedian named Henriette mentelle. She and I did a our first big comedy TV show was called Six ladies laughing. It was a lifetime special that we taped in New York. And Andrea Martin was the celebrity guest host and Phyllis Diller happened to watch it and really resonated with Henriette, and they cultivated a friendship, which morphed into me meeting her and hanging out at her house. She had a she had a luncheon for a group of female writers and comedians, and we all just sat and she held cord and she just talked about her life. She had this big oil painting on an easel of Bob Hope, because he was very influential in her career, and she remained very, very good friends with him anyway, so that the hanging out part with Bob Hope he invited all the comics the following day to his house in Toluca Lake. Phyllis still showed up and Alan fix showed up and you know, he was a big golfer, he had a par three golf hole on his property. And I knew that in advance so I brought a seven iron with me. We were teeing off. That's really cool. Sometime during the day, and it was just cool. Just like hanging out with him. Yeah, it was fun was a lot of fun.

Jeff Dwoskin 41:28

Oh, prevenzione. When I was talking with him, he was I think very close with Phyllis Diller as well. Yeah. Cool stories. You were on the aristocrats?

Sue Kolinsky 41:36

Yes, I was. I was yes. With Kathy Landman and Carrie snow. So cool. Yeah, it was cool. But Paul, Paul, to me had one of the all time greatest celebrity relationship stories. I'm sure he probably shared it with you. When he was working in Vegas. He was opening for Diana Ross. Did he tell you that story?

Jeff Dwoskin 41:56

It's Yes, I think so. Yeah, it sounds familiar. Least or I heard him talk about it somewhere else, you know, at all, it all blurs.

Sue Kolinsky 42:04

Word got out on the strip to a lot of the other venues that there was this young comic who was really, really funny. And on the marquee, his name, it was just Diana Ross. So when he came out from the middle from center stage, from the curtain, no one knew that there was even a comedian opening up the show. And he said that it was a little difficult for him to kind of get his footing right out of the gate. So Phyllis Diller came, she wanted to meet him because she had heard about them. And he shared his dilemma. And she said to him, come from the side of the stage, come from the area where you have to walk a little bit of a distance, let the audience take you in before you get to your mark. And you look at the audience and say, and I don't know whether she said this to him. Or maybe he asked her he wanted to say it, but he said to the audience, I don't know you either. And that broke the ice.

Jeff Dwoskin 43:00

That's right. You just need that one at one sec. Exactly. It's all Yeah, exactly. You mentioned earlier you wrote a spec script for Alan. But then later you did work on her second sitcom The Ellen Show. Yes. Yes. Not the best experience.

Sue Kolinsky 43:14

It was probably my biggest nightmare show business. Yeah, she. She didn't like me. I don't know why I didn't know her during our stand up days together. I'd never ran into her. It was just bizarre. And I got the gig. I got the gig, you know, based on spec scripts, you know, that I had written but Cara Lee for who's a very good friend of mine. She was one of the executive producers. And Mitch Hurwitz, who was her partner on the show knew me because he was good friends with the funny we have Jimmy Valley, who was one of the funny boys. So you know, our paths had crossed, but Carol was really the reason why I got the job. I just don't know. She was not nice to me. I mean, not nice to meet in such a devious way. I mean, publicly not nice to me. I mean, we would have table reads, which for those who don't know, on the on Monday, no, it was on. When was it Monday? Yeah, it was Monday, after you had handed in your script, you would have the week to go through it and, you know, do rewrites and stuff. Then on Monday, you would sit at it was like a big, like a big long table that kind of went into like a large square, Ellen would greet everybody and say hello to everybody. She would say hello to the person to the right of me. Ignore me and say hello to the person to the left of me. Every table read. And it was really like, bizarre. And it was so uncomfortable. Was it

Jeff Dwoskin 44:43

also uncomfortable to the other people who are witnessing this? I mean, the head of

Sue Kolinsky 44:47

it, I'm sure it was I mean, I mean, I talked Carol about it, and I talked to Mitch about it. I didn't really talk to the other writers about it. But yeah, I mean, everybody witnessed it. I remember I had come up with a story. This is why And I totally knew how much she didn't like me, I had come up with a story idea. And usually when you came up with the story, you would go off and write the script. And Mitch came into my office. And he said, This is exactly what he said, I'm gonna give you store credit, but I'm not. He says, I have a feeling this is going to be a difficult script to write during the week. And it's going to be difficult just because Ellen, you know, she likes something new all the time. Even if it works, she just like would throw things out and keep us there till six in the morning a lot. And she had no respect for writers. It was really horrible. He said to me, Ellen, no. likey Sue Kolinsky. Oh, was like, Oh, well, that's fun to come to work every day with the star of the show not liking me. But you know, I might Can't you know, like, you know, my contract was picked up. And then he said, but I'll give you credit. And then the script I wrote, and I'm not, I'm not like tooting my own horn, but the table read. And at that point, you know, the script had gone through many changes. But it was I got so many compliments. And it was so nerve wracking to me, because this was the first script that I wrote as a solo writer. And not only that, but I decided to quit smoking right before I went off to write my script, because I thought if I quit smoking now, under this pressured situation, and I pull this off, I will never smoke again. Good thing again. And I never smoked again. Everybody was very complimentary. Her girlfriend at the time was at the table read Ellen said nothing to me. All the crew, everybody laughing You know, and her girlfriend came over to me and said, Wow, that really great, really fun, great script. And it was probably one of the easiest weeks we had it just everything just ran very smoothly. And then when it was time for my option to be picked up again. Mitch had, you know, said to me, you know, this is this is probably going to be difficult because it was the front nine and then the back nine. And I had already I had gotten a job on the Osborne's chef Stillson, who I'm sure you know from stand up chef was one of the executive producers of the Osborne and Henriette mentelle, who I mentioned, she got a job as a segment producer, and they needed one more segment producer. And Jeff used to come to the Ellen show once a week to punch up scripts. And I confided in him and he knew how unhappy I was there. And so he got me a job on the Osborne's. And so I talked to my boss, you know, Mitch and I said, don't even don't even think of trying to get my option picked up, because I'm miserable here. And I'm going to work on another show. I took such a pay cut because I was, you know, staffed on a on a union show. I was working on, you know, a chauffeur that was on MTV. And I didn't care. I didn't care. When I when I got to the Osborne's, I had so much fun. I mean, I was I was like, it was like I was appreciated. I remember saying to some of the people who worked at the Osborne's because, you know, we, we were making great money, you know, compared to what people make every week. But in the show business world, we were like on the on the bottom rung, I said, if I made this amount of money and had this job for the rest of my life, at this salary, I would say fine, because it was so much fun. And granted, I had come from such a toxic environment, it was a complete 180 It was the greatest job I've ever had in my life. And I've been chasing that Hi, my entire career,

Jeff Dwoskin 48:22

people under appreciate how important it is to be happy with what you do.

Sue Kolinsky 48:26

Yes. And you know, to have a job and show business. I mean, you're you're very lucky to be accepted into this world and to make a living, whether it be a comic writer, producer, whatever it is, you know, working you know, as a crew member, you're so lucky to have that and to go to work every day, and it make you and it makes makes you miserable. It's like I'm in show business. How can I be miserable? This is terrible,

Jeff Dwoskin 48:53

right? Because I'm paper the Ellen show. And then it turns out the back nine was the last nine. Right. So moving on was probably a really great move.

Sue Kolinsky 49:01

Yes. And I don't even I think it got canceled before they did all of the back nine.

Jeff Dwoskin 49:07

Kind of put this in perspective. So you're in a room like on paper, right? Oh, I'm in a room with Ellen DeGeneres, Jim Gaffigan.

Sue Kolinsky 49:13

Right. It wasn't. They weren't in the room. But

Jeff Dwoskin 49:17

they're in the show. But they're on the show. Again, Cloris Leachman, Cloris Leachman, right. So it's like this, it'd be a fun environment. I mean, it's just like, you can't think of like three people, right? Those three that funniest people ever, it's like, Ah, I know. So it's I'm glad you find happiness with the Osborne's. It's an interesting show, right? I've heard you talk about it's like it was real. It was 100% non scripted. I think later reality became scripted reality but at this point in the evolution right, it's it's all Yes. The thing that I find most interesting about it is is like you have Ozzie like in a normal scenario, all of them really share you. And it's like, you always have to explain to people like when you especially do stand up my brother he would call me on stage on stage Jeff. And he would say, Oh, I'd love to be friends with onstage Jeff. That version so like just to be able to see what it's like to be Ozzy when you're not like singing crazy trail or crazy train or whatever, right? Yeah, it's like, it was interesting. It must have been like really good insight just for people to like, realize, oh, this is this is different. This is what it's like, when I'm not experiencing someone who I love the way I love them normally.

Sue Kolinsky 50:32

Yeah, I mean, to to be there and witness them being a family. I mean, the whole idea was to make it this kind of perverse, you know, Father Knows Best Kind of show an actual 50 sitcom. In a way, the beauty of it was that they were so gracious and gave us so much access. They trusted us, which was a big, big part of it. And that's a testament to Greg Johnston and Jeff Stillson. And all of the super dot supervising producers and CO executives. And Sharon was just game, she didn't care. I wake up in the morning and my hair's in 10 different directions, and I have no makeup on and this is who I am. And the mundane things, you know, she would vacuum and he would be on the couch and he would lift his legs like your dad would do. You know, I mean, it was just anytime you had Ozzy doing anything, making a milkshake was like, that was like two and a half solid minutes of television that never disappointed, but they loved one another. And that was the reason why the show was so successful. They truly, truly loved one another and access because you know, from there, I worked on newlyweds, which was almost as much fun working on it. Not the time we spent there. I didn't spend a lot of time there. Like with the Osborne's the first season, I was a segment producer. So I was at the house every time we shot. And then consecutive seasons, I was in post and I ran I ran post meaning that I worked with the editors, we put the episodes together. When I worked on newlyweds, I was always in post and I completely ran posts. I was the only producer that worked with the editors. And then I worked with the story department who put the, you know, the scripts together basically the scripts, it's the footage that was put into like a script form. But I didn't really I didn't have a relationship with Nick and Jessica was a completely different vibe. We weren't allowed to be in certain rooms like they didn't. They didn't give us access to their bedroom. It was actually like a little bit of a poll to let us in their bedroom when they were packing to go on a trip. It's like they just wanted to keep things off television. But we made it work. You were saying how subsequent shows, you know, became more scripted. There were other shows that never really made it like I remember, Liza Minnelli and her creepy husband David guest. I kinda remember that. They started to do their show, when we were still doing the Osborne's, I had a friend that that worked on it. And that show never, I don't even think the show ever aired because they had way too much control and they didn't want to give them access. You can't do a docu follow show without letting us be you know, a real fly on the wall in your life. We certainly can't have a successful show if you're going to discount everything and say no to everything because you don't want to be seen in that light. It's you know, the Osborne's were just an open book, they let us see everything, all the flaws. And then you know, I'm looks Sharon you know, she got cancer and we shot that season, you know, when she was going through chemo and you know, I mean, there were serious moments, but you know, the comedy always prevailed that was what was going on and she was all for it. She you know, she wanted the cameras there. It was successful because of who they were, I understand

Jeff Dwoskin 53:45

is not scripted, but how did they get into the mindset of being filmed that much and kind of not get caught up in the fact of understanding when I'm talking this is being recorded and can be played back so I have to almost I have to watch what I say maybe but you know i mean like i don't know they

Sue Kolinsky 54:02

never they met but they never watched what they said that was the beauty

Jeff Dwoskin 54:06

is I know what is right so like there wasn't like a lot he had to like cut and they never said don't do this. Don't use that because there's a lot of photos out there you never use but like it was

Sue Kolinsky 54:15

footage. Yeah, there was footage we didn't use and a lot of it was you know, it didn't drive the story or it was too much I'm like and that was you know the days where you shot so much footage you had so much footage to work with. It's kind of the opposite of the way they do it now back then you shot and then you created the episode because you weren't really planning a lot of stuff like the things that were planned where Oh, you know, dog trainers going to come over. We knew that that was going to happen but you didn't know what was going to happen once the dog trainer came over so you didn't know you know like you knew as he was going to the dentist but you didn't know what was going to happen when you got there. Jeff Stillson figured out for every 500 minutes shot we used one minute that's how much footage we shot. It was just so you are slave to the footage, which some people might say, Oh God, that must have been so difficult. It wasn't because the subjects were so good. They never failed to give us great footage ever, even with newlyweds, like I remember. And this was actually just for a pure sense of reality. One of my favorite moments, Jessica had been away touring. And while she was gone, Nick and his brother who were, you know, the blue collar on a bumblers in some way, they did a bunch of redecorating while she was gone, and they had newly moved into the house. So they were things like Nick hung up pictures, he kind of put his office together. And he was so excited for when she came home, because he thought that she would be so happy with what he did. And she she had, I mean, they were so different. You know, she came from a family were and I don't think they were really rich. And Nick certainly didn't come from a family that had money. So he, you know, he would fix things himself. You know, he was that's kind of the way he grew up. And when she wanted to buy like, $800 designer sheets, he was like, Are you insane? He just it was wasn't his world. So she comes home. She's very critical of what he did. They grabbed a beer. And you can tell there was so much tension between them. And they sat outside sipping a beer on their patio. She was just pissy. And he called her a spoiled brat. And she's like, I'm not a brat. He said, Yes, you are. And she made some comment, like, I'll make it up to you in the bedroom or something like that. And he looked at her and he said, I want to raise and we're watching this footage, and we're like, whoa, God, what does that mean? I want to raise it's like, does she not give Chloe jobs? What is it? What is what is I want to raise? You know, but it was such a real moment between two married people who were obviously there were cracks in the marriage. You know, it was like scenes from a marriage. Really, it was moments like that, that made me love so much what I did for a living because it was really true. That's awesome. And then, you know, later on, I got jobs where there was a writers room on a reality show. And that made me want to throw up in my mouth.

Jeff Dwoskin 57:18

One other thing. I saw that you were the original guest host. So you were the original host of short attention span theater.

Sue Kolinsky 57:28

It was me it was a revolving cast. There were three of us, Wally Collins, myself, I can't believe I can't remember the other guy's name. It's driving me crazy. There were three of us. This was a disappointing thing from I mean, I had a blast doing it. They wanted to just have two people do it. And Jon Stewart was their choice. And then they wanted to recast me, or they wanted me to I had to re audition for my job. It was so humiliating. I remember calling up John, because I was friends with John. And I said, I need for you because we were friends. And we had a great chemistry. I said and they didn't they didn't let me audition with him. I auditioned with someone who wrote on the who wrote something on the net. What was a call? I mean, it was it was downtown productions. It was a it was a part of HBO.

Jeff Dwoskin 58:21

This is originally before it became Comedy Central right before it

Sue Kolinsky 58:24

became Comedy Central. Yeah, they had me audition with someone who wasn't even a comic. And it was awkward. And I was just so I called up John. And I said, Tell them how badly you want me to be your co host. And it didn't matter. They had some they had somebody else in mind, Patty rosborough, who was who was fine and great. And she was a friend. But that was that was a real disappointment for me to not do it with John because when I did it, it wasn't in a lot of people's homes. And then it became a nationwide show. So a lot of people didn't even get to see me do it. It was it was more of a talk soupy type of thing when I did it.

Jeff Dwoskin 59:01

All right. Well, we can end on that bummer. They were on curb, you aren't Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Sue Kolinsky 59:08

That was the coolest that I was I was actually working on I think I was working on newly weds at the time and the office where Larry that's where he worked, but that's where they get to be at that's where they audition people I could walk to from from where our offices were. And it was actually were Sex in the City where I wrote on Sex in the City. So it had kind of a good luck kind of a vibe to it. And when I got the audition, I mean I wasn't even going out for anything I was I was producing and writing and I just thought I'm not going to be in anything but the woman who cast it knew me from my stand up when I went in and auditioned you know they give you like a little look like a fortune cookie fortune. And it just kind of gives you a little bit of gist of the scene in my scene was with Larry and all I wanted to do was not suck because it was all improv and I knew Larry. I knew Jeff Garlin. I knew Suzy you know, Susie Essman Susie wasn't at the audition I had Jeff was at the audition. Cheryl was at the audition. And Larry and I hadn't seen Larry in in some time. And I just, I didn't want work to get out that oh, god Kalinsky like he did at the audition. I walk in. And Larry, you know, gave me a big hug. He saw that I was wearing a wedding ring. He was like, So what's going on? Well, you got married, how do I know you got married? Well, you this is how I find out you got married. And we, you know, we talked a little bit. And I had a great, great audition. And I got the part. And I remember going back to work and finding out that I got it. And it was like the coolest thing in the world. And I'll tell you what the kicker was Ellen DeGeneres. This was her favorite show. And she had not been on it. And there was an episode with Rosie O'Donnell that took place in LA. And when you think about it, Rosie is kind of like, speaks for the truth for the gay women in New York. And Ellen is kind of like the LA gay actress. Larry had talked to Carol Leafa about wanting to have Ellen on the show. And Carol said that she was really, really mean to sue Kolinsky. And Larry said what you can she was mean to sue Kolinsky. And he booked Rosie instead.

Jeff Dwoskin 1:01:21

Oh, my that is what is called karma. Ladies and gentleman, right?

Sue Kolinsky 1:01:25

Yes. Yes. So that was, so that was very, very cool. So it was a duel. It was a duel for me, but it was it meant so much to be on that show. And that Larry put me on the show. And he he's a very gracious guy. And I remember during rehearsals in between takes he would he'd look, he looked at me one day. And he said, I think I used everybody I think I think I used everybody. It meant so much to him that he used all the comics that he came up with. That was what he wanted to do. He wanted to be able to do that for people and that was that was just icing on the cake to hear that him say that. That's why

Jeff Dwoskin 1:02:03

it's wonderful when you hear people kind of help they help others that they were with and all that kind of stuff. That's a great story. Yeah, that is a great story in many many ways. So many great stories. So so many I can't thank you enough for hanging out with me. This was so fun. Yeah,

Sue Kolinsky 1:02:19

this was a lot of fun. I you know when I when I heard your when I first heard your podcast, I was like, this is a blast. I mean, I love what you do. I'm a big fan of yours. So I it's a treat for me to be on. I'm really glad that you had me.

Jeff Dwoskin 1:02:33

Oh, thank you. I'm a fan of yours. You're a fan of mine this now we're best friends. This is great. This is great. Thank how can people keep up with you like on the socials?

Sue Kolinsky 1:02:42

I'm on Twitter, I'd hardly ever do anything on Twitter. I post on Facebook. The only way to you know, follow me probably is to listen to the podcast is the culture pop podcast, which you can hear on however you listen to your podcast. Yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 1:02:55

everyone check that out. So it was great guests. Very cool. All right. Awesome. Well, thank you again. This was a pleasure.

Sue Kolinsky 1:03:03

Thank you. And I'll have to thank Paul lander. Yes. For putting the two of us together on this blind podcast date.

Jeff Dwoskin 1:03:10

Thank you, Paul. All right.

Jeff Dwoskin 1:03:12

Oh, amazing. What Sue Kolinsky go run and check out her podcast the culture pop podcast is super cool. She's got great guests. I know you're gonna love it. I do. I do. You just want to break out your own JFK. Imitate is not what people can do. Oh, but our y'all can do that too good. Well, anyway, go check out the vaad meter first family album you can find it online. You will not be disappointed with the amazing Sue Kolinsky interview over it can mean only one thing that's right it's time for another trending hashtag for the family of hashtags it hashtag er m dot follow us on Twitter at hashtag roundup download the free always free never cost a penny app at the Google Play Store or iTunes App Store tweet along with us and one day one of your tweets may show up on classic conversations fame and fortune awaits you. It kind of I know they're gonna leave that in. All right, today's hashtag comes to us from fresh Coast tags. My buddy Marc #TakeAShowCamping. Of course inspired by Su and my conversation and love for summer camp. Take a show camping. The ultimate mash up hashtag game. Take a show a TV show some kind of camping word and mash them together. hilarity ensues All right, here's some #TakeAShowCamping tweets, park and Mindy last Coleman standing get it this is how you match up shows and camping hashtag take a show camping Three's Company two and a half tents Buffy the camp fire Is Leia The Mary Tyler smores show the Gilmore Girls Welcome back Pat Kotter, the West winging it tense and sensibility these #TakeAShowCamping tweet either tweet he asked kids in the mess hall and our final hashtag take a show campaign tweet sex away from the city. Oh, there we go. All right, losing my voice a little bit. If you got this far, I'm going to admit it to you. That's why my voice is going in and out sometimes. But here we are. All right, that was awesome. #TakeAShowCamping tweets. All those tweets will be retweeted at Jeff Dwoskin show on Twitter, show him some love, like and retweet and tell him you heard odd classic conversations well, with the hashtag over and the interview over can only mean one thing. Episode 136 has come to an end. You believe it? Where does time go? It just flies by but here we are special thanks to my amazing guests, Sue Kolinsky. And of course, thanks to all of you for coming back week after week. It means the world to me, and I'll see you next time.

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