#71 Dedee Pfeiffer is Back

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All right, David, thank you so much for that amazing introduction. You get this show going each and every week, and this week was no exception. Welcome, everybody to Episode 71 of live from Detroit, the Jeff Dwoskin show. As always, I am your host, Jeff Dwoskin. Ready to serve up podcast goodness for you. That's right. We're on episode 71. Can you believe it? If you're just listening right now for the first time that means you have 70 episodes to catch up on after this one. So let's get to it. So you can explain to your family where you'll be for the next week and a half. Listening to the live from Detroit, the Jeff Dwoskin show.

This week I welcome an amazing guest Dedee Pfeiffer is here with me. That's right. Dedee Pfeiffer you loved hearing the sitcom scible for your love. She's currently starring in Big Sky on ABC. And you can catch it on Hulu. An amazing show by her brother in law David E. Kelly, we talked about working with David E. Kelly, we talked about working with her sister Michelle Pfeiffer. we dive into some of her classic appearances on Seinfeld and friends in the movie falling down with Michael Douglas. And we spend a lot of time talking about the 10 years she took off of acting to become a social worker during which time she came face to face with her addictions and how she overcame those addictions. It's an amazing story, an amazing story, and I can't wait for you to hear it. And it's coming up in just a few minutes.

And you're going to be inspired by the story. I promise you that it's a great one. Speaking of a great one last week's episode with ritch shydner was so great, so many amazing stories to talk to a comedian who's been with some of the biggest names in comedy and get him to share all those stories was unbelievable. During the interview, we mentioned comedy story documentary, which embarrassingly I said I didn't see because I didn't have Showtime. But now I have it. And so I started watching it. So it's amazing. I'm two episodes in and I will report in the future my full review. But so far, it is amazing and well worth the time to watch after Of course you listen to every episode of live from Detroit, the Jeff Dwoskin show, which by the way, if you love and I know you do, I love for you to share it with your friends. tell all your friends about live from Detroit, the Jeff Dwoskin show the most amazing podcast in the world. Tell him they can find on any podcast app. Tell them to follow me on social medias at Jeff Dwoskin show on Twitter and Instagram. Tell them if they tweet along with hashtag ground up one day, they may show up on my show. I know you'll have to go into full excitement containment they'll get they'll start shaking and be like calm down. It's okay. We'll get through this together. And then you just start playing an episode of live from Detroit, the Jeff Dwoskin show, tell him Hey, if you need to catch up, just go to his website, Jeffisfunny.com and sign up for the mailing list, all that kind of good stuff. Everything's there. It's like podcast boutique that you can just wade into and never and never leave. So do that. And I appreciate it. Thank you very much in advance.

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Alright, everyone go get a whammy. Well, I think now is a great time for me to share my conversation that I had with Dedee Pfeiffer with you, you're gonna love it. She has an amazing career and amazing life journey and amazing stories to share with us. And I know you're gonna love every minute of it. Enjoy. Alright, everyone, my next guest has been rocking the small screen in the movie screen for years. You loved her and Cybill, for your love. And now she's back with a vengeance starring in Big Sky, everyone. Welcome to this show. Deedee Pfeiffer.

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Thank you for having me.

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Oh, it's so great to have you. It's fun having somebody on the show that has a hot TV show right now. I'm gonna have to rely on you to explain it because I'm afraid I've watched it. That's not what I mean. I it's a crazy show. But I'll try. It's one of those shows where you don't want to give it away. Yeah, I was talking to somebody. And they're like, we started to watch it. But then we got distracted. And I called him after I finished the first episode. I said, When did you finish? And like we just what we were like 10 minutes in and then we got distracted. I'm like, well, you missed about three What the fuck my

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number on this show and duplicity and not dropped some kind of spoiler because we are notorious for doing things that you just don't do on on major networks, right? And so when you do publicity, you're like, and well, and then you just watch, because you don't want to spoil it. Right.

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It's like a classic David Kelly show. You know, it's you know, he does great stuff. And the characters are fun characters. And your character is great. The character they it's a real fun show. And so you know, you got that you can go in knowing it's safe entertainment, or you'll be entertained. How do you explain it when people ask you a mess

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when I tried to like I've done I don't know how many interviews now. And each time I stumble and fall trying to say, well, these two girls are detectives, the pilot, you have to see the pilot, because the first one will set up the tempo of the show, which is we will fuck with any character. We're not afraid to kill anybody off and nobody is safe, including me. Everyone thinks just because I'm David Kelly sister in law that I'm safe. Hell no. Are you kidding me? Denise, as I say, watch the show. Nobody say right. So that's what makes it really exciting. And if you continue on watching the first season, you'll see interesting characters, you'll see a emotionally charged scenes a diverse amount of different kinds of characters, like literally jam packed full of different kinds of characters, and storylines that you just when you think you know what's happening. We will throw you a curveball and you will do like what you said What the fuck? And then you'll call her friends and go, like, I'm not there yet. Don't tell me. So it's a great series for all of those things and it's sexy, and it's dangerously sexy. It's got like, you know, like I said, we're not afraid to kill you. We invite you onto our show and we will kill you or you're going to jail or something. I don't know. depends who you are what you did.

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It's fine now watching shows that aren't afraid. I think maybe Game of Thrones is the first one to do that, where they just said, Oh, you love this character, we're killing

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anybody on Sky because there's no guarantee they're gonna stick around. But the beauty of it is you don't know how they're going to exit the show. And that's where CJ box do original. You know, he's the one who wrote all the books that David wrote this the stories about, there's a lot of really good stuff. And the actors on the show are just fantastic. I'm so flattered and honored to be involved with all of these actors. And we got young ones, we got old ones, we got recycled ones like me been around and then I disappear for 10 years. And I come back. Yeah, we got a trans Jesse James cartel, who is amazing, which is really have a lot of texture in the cast and storylines as well. We're not afraid to kind of go there. And then of course, there's Ronald for they'd by Brian, who I adore is just like this character that you love to hate. And you don't know if you want to, like kill him or hug him. Right. And those are so fun. Oh, let's see. Rondo the second season, right? Hmm, I don't know. I have not a clue what's going on in the second season? I don't know yet.

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Yeah, I imagine they have to keep it a secret from everybody. They're probably always kind of readjusting to or maybe just trying to figure it out.

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Yeah, I'll read a script. And just and then I'll see watch it on TV and go well, huh? What was that? Why didn't they change that from the first draft. So things change constantly. So it's exciting as an actor to to be on the show because you really don't don't fall in love with anything. We're kind of like you the audience don't follow up with anything too much because it could possibly change more than likely it will. Without getting into spoilers. I

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would imagine the only people who really do not like this show would be truckers.

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Yet, I would say truckers and people who sex traffic women are probably not gonna like the show. I would imagine anybody who's pathological homicidal serial killer probably will actually probably would love the show because Ronald is really interesting character oddly sympathetic. And then of course as a client saucers, you know, which is the second kind of bottleneck there's just some jacked up dysfunctional fucked up family, man. I mean, I think your family's fucked up. Watch Big Sky. Watch the climb saucers and tell me if you can compete with that shit.

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You want to feel great about your family to an ns a big sky? Sounds like everybody but come on the climb saucers for everyone listening pulo you can catch up on Hulu and then you can just you got picked up for a second season. So that's exciting.

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That's why I actually took off from LA and I'm here and we're now filming in New Mexico first season we were in Canada because a COVID now we're back in New Mexico which is originally where we started

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so everyone wants to see what the makers Big Sky think Montana looks like while filming in Vancouver.

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It's movie magic. You know we were in Canada we made it look at Montana. Now we're going to New Mexico making it look like Montana. They're making me not look my age. How about that movie magic?

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So what's it like working with your brother in law? David E. Kelly.

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Well, it's funny everyone asset and my answer is the same. We don't really work together because it was COVID in the first season where he was the showrunner and the first half of the season and then Elwood came on and now he'll continuing being the showrunner but I saw him like twice on zoom call with all the cast and all the writers and all the producers so he was just like a little head in a window and I just kind of was like trying not to be stupid because I don't know how to act you know because he's my brother in law and I want to talk to about fishing and I've never worked with him and we never talk shop Jeff we never talk shop so to be on a zoom call working and he's my boss is just so odd for me that I just kind of kept quiet and try not to be say something stupid just keep it up do like being visible in a zoom call.

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He say you don't talk chat but like when you're I assume you got some family dinners you might do together every now and then holidays or something

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very tight family very close we see each other in the holidays and birthdays that's it really but we never talk shop rarely talk shop the entire families like that. So Dave is no exception. I'm talking I mean, I might talk to my sister shell about like oh my hair color is getting to red or you know I'm losing my hair it's more of the conversation. And you know what's going on with my gobble gobble and she's like, oh, there's some great cream out there you know i mean stuff like that. But that's girl stuff more than talking shop we don't talk shop we talk more about life stuff kids and growing old truck girl gracefully lately a huge topic for me and like my sister Where is she now? She said she's in London. I took off to New Mexico. I only found out she was going from my other sister Michelle claim she told me no she did not she's losing her mind I told her that the bit you get old and she's like you're getting old like oh I know. Like any other working families getting old and just trying to make it all work but we don't talk shop. No

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you guys don't tease each other at family Thanksgiving dinners if you had like a bad review or

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no because I don't even read the reviews. I don't I'm not sure if my I'm sure David probably does. See I don't know I don't talk shop so I don't know how immersed they are in say reviews and stuff because I know when I first started 3030 plus almost 40 years old am I on time ago? 30 plus years. I started to read my reviews and I'm Peggy fury at the time said oh, here's the deal with reviews if you believe the good ones you got to believe the bad ones if you believe the bad ones, you got to believe the good ones. And at the end of the day, you're going to go crazy, right? So you got to make a decision. So really at the end the day the decision was not to read any of them because they were all opinions. Like my father used to say dick Pfeiffer opinions are like,

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hey, holes everyone's got one

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he my dad used to say just do to do long as they spell your name. Right. So that's, yeah, I don't read them. I don't even know Big Sky is getting good or bad reviews. I hear little things from the cast because they read the reviews and people love or hate Denise. I know that people follow me like Denise, but they follow me otherwise, I highly doubt they'd fallen if they hated Denise

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not to love about Denise. Yeah. Okay. All right. I was just, I was just curious if you guys have a kind of fun, jabbing I know, it's,

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you know, poke fun at each other all the time. Don't get me wrong. We are very, like funny family. We're pranksters, we have running jokes, but it's not about like the industry or what we do because as family members are all very textured, and especially me I have a lot of idiosyncrasies there's just way too much material away from our careers to play with then the career stuff the fact that I'm you know, always talking and I'm hyper and I trust everybody too much and I'm always getting screwed and my family like dammit Dedee that was my name growing up goddamnit Dedee? Yeah.

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Were you always called Dedee? Great, Dorothy. Diane's your name and then we're one of those people that just Well, you just always been called Dedee? regardless. Well, okay.

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Let's get clear on that. Jeff, when I was a kid, kids are cruel period. Kids are cruel. They were no different when I was growing up, and actually probably more so because there was no like, teachers going in and saying, This is not very PC. This is bullying. I mean, there was no no social consciousness when it comes to bullying on children. So there was this movie that would come out once a year that everybody was called The Wizard of Oz. At this time, I grew up everyone had like Rebeca names like, you know, Lisa, Jill, Michelle Laurie, my sister's name, you know, and then I got my grandma's name Dorothy, right, which is actually Dorothy but no one pronounces the right. So of course, I got the old name, and then the Wizard of Oz will come out and what do you think kids would do tease the shit out of me and I was a heavy child, I was painfully shy. So the last thing I wanted was attention and that kind of attention so I hated my name. So but my mom did give me a nickname thank god of Dedee, but every year in roll call, they would first say you know, Dorothy, Diane Pfeiffer, and everyone will look around and I raised my hand turn purple and want to you know, Earth open up and swallow me. And at that everyone knew my real name even though my friends called me Dedee and my family nobody that is it. Yeah, it was just not a pretty name. But let me tell you, I grew into my name. When I went to college, I started using my real name because then I could differentiate between people who knew me my personal life Dedee and then my school named Dorothy when people said Dorothy, I knew it was from school, right last 10 years when I took off to get my degree. And to the point where I realize my two boys did not even know my real name is Dorothy until one of the study groups came over. Hey, Dorothy, do you have some water? Boys goes with Dorothy. That's me. They go. That's not your name. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. My name is Dorothy. They're like, Why? Because it was name I stopped using as a kid because it was huddled around it until I realized how awesome my grandmother really was. And then I started bracing the name.

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My mom's name was everyone knew her as Wendy but her real name was Barbara Her name was Barbara Wendy. So saying they everyone always just call her by her middle name. my stepmom was chicky. Her real name was Cheryl, you know, at one point, same thing, Cheryl and my Who's that? Yeah. That's a real man. Right? What?

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Well, my kids didn't even know that that their app is Michelle Pfeiffer, because I just like I said, we were such a weird family. We just live our lives. It's never like we don't sit there and say, Well, hello, we have Michelle Pfeiffer at the table. And David Kelly and Jude Cole, who's my sister's ex husband. You know, we don't sit around and talk about that stuff. So my boys didn't know. You know, until one day when they got an elementary and looked over the thumbs their aunt's face on a People Magazine yelled at People Magazine. I'm like, everyone's looking at me. I'm like, ocean, I better tell them. I was like, well, your hand is kind of really successful or like, Oh, really can have a candy bar.

Exactly.

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It's amazing how close family doesn't care about certain things.

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My boys don't watch my work. And they never have and they nor do they watch their aunts work or their uncle's work, because it's too weird. They said it's watching your mother. It's just too weird watching your aunt. It's just too weird. They're just not impressed. They're impressed. If we were to invent a video game, that would be impressive.

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That would be cool. Yeah. They weren't impressed when Michelle was cat woman impressed by that.

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That was before they were born. Well, at this point, they've seen pictures and they know that she was Catwoman and they know that, you know, their friends didn't even know that I was an actor until they were walking by the room and they heard some osis or Braxton's mom on TV on Seinfeld. And they said, Wait, man, I know that voice and they say to their Mom, why Braxton's mom On Seinfeld, and they were like, I guess she's not there.

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So that that's a funny episode of Seinfeld. You you you've made some excellent cameos on on shows. That's the episode The opposite episode, George Wright comes up to you and says I'm unemployed now live with my parents. Yeah. resembles and married. Victoria, just to go backwards for a second what got you into acting so your sister was acting right? It was just something like, Oh, this seems like a good thing to do or

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I stumbled upon it. I had been working since I don't know, like 1013 years old. Well, back then there was no such thing as child labor. Would you just work if I wanted something in my family, I had to work for it. My dad was blue collar worker, my mom never drove nor work. So we had four kids. And you know, he came from North Dakota, you know, that whole thing. So he's like, you want to you earn it. There's no free handouts. So we all went to work relatively really early. I had done numerous jobs by the time I was 18. And at that point, Michelle was working on Scarface, she had done some stuff, and I just kind of got bored with each job. And I realized, you know, I just would be like, is this what I want to do the rest of my life? So when I was 18, I can move out I said to her, Hey, I want to try this thing called acting. And she said, Okay, great, then you can get your ass into a good acting workshop period. Don't think of an agent don't think of headshots, but a lot of actors at that time, were getting headshots and ages before they even took an acting class because it just seemed like a fun thing to do. But she was like, Hell no, you're going to go into an acting class and a good one. So she did Peggy fury with the class I went into is very expensive time. So I worked at a female oil and mud wrestler place as an illegal under age cocktail waitress to support my acting classes where the teacher would beat up on me and tell me I was shit. I was awful. Why am I bothering to act? Because I stutter. I couldn't remember my lines. And I was a hard head, which was my nickname from my dad. Dieter, do You're such a hard head? I kept thinking why can't quit until I figure this out. Right? Because I was so bad at it. Well, to this day, I gotta tell you, I still haven't figured it out. I still wonder why people keep hiring me. I have imposter syndrome big time. Like they meant to call the other actor and they accidentally called me. So I kind of stumbled upon it. And just it's not I don't think it's anything you ever master. And I think if you do think you've mastered it, then you're you're missing something important about the creative part of acting, because life is always changing. writers are changing characters and people change. So as an artist, you must kind of change as well. So it's not something I don't think you can ever master really. So 57 I'm still trying to figure it out. Although I did disappear for 10 years, yes, because I hit a moment where I started becoming was always very concerned about social welfare issues, animal rights, just everything when it comes to life, you know, things that are unjust, and so I wanted to do something more than just volunteer. And at that point, I'm raising two kids on my own two boys in particular, I wasn't crazy about the way the industry was kind of saying without saying you're unemployed if you start growing older from the camera, we're not allowed to get wrinkly and lose our hair and get pudgy and see right these gels I got here in the gobble gobble on my neck you know think I big skies embracing my aging, the nieces, you know, aging, and that's cool. And I'm aging, but at the time, we were expected to continue to look the way we did when we first started 30 years before so I didn't like any of that. But yet because the guys were like getting all pudgy and gray and wrinkly. And they were they were sexy. I was like, That's not fair. Right? So I decided well just take a break and go try to get one of those things called a degree I literally Jeff had no idea what I was doing. I thought I could just go get one and then come back to acting 10 years later, I got a Master's of social work and a Bachelors of psych along the way discovered multiple learning disabilities I learned a lot about myself I got sober by the way in the middle of my UCLA master's program I had to take a year off to get sober I had to address my alcoholism finally and that alone almost three years sober really changed my life. And it not only made me I think a better social worker a better mother other sister a better actor first comment right now I'm acting not going to have beers or drink or whatever, at the end of the day shooting. So I did a lot in 10 years, got sober, got a degree raise my boys showed my boys without telling them showed them at any age, you can stop what you're doing and start something else. And even though I want to give up because it was really hard, I didn't. So I just wanted to show them versus tell them that life is your palette. Life is what you whatever you make it at the end of day I hope you'll watch me be a mother that cares about people cares about mankind care about animals I care about right and good and positive things right and light. We got to have enough of us out there to counter the dark. Hopefully I'm raising two good human beings as at the end of the day, and I am on big Skype 57 that's pretty damn cool.

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That is pretty cool. And it is an inspirational, very inspirational journey for your kids to be a role model is to set as a role model congratulations on Three years sober, by the way, that's

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by one, all these things in life, right? Because it's like the hurdles that we have are just there are some solid. Listen, if I didn't have any legs, I can't run a marathon. Although guess what people without legs do run marathons. See, I want to say that that's actually incorrect. So it's like the limitation sometimes are the ones we set for ourselves. And if you have an addiction or any kind of mental health issues, or any of those things that are not being addressed, or you know, assessed for and then treated properly, I might add, those are going to be huge obstacles. And I want to talk about these things in a normal conversation like this, because it doesn't have to be this big thing. You know, it's not it's not a big thing. It's a big thing if it's if your diseases ruin your life. Absolutely. Right. So Dedee Pfeiffer has an addiction to you. If I ever went to treatment, if I went to rehab, my boys now know what that looks like. And I'm now showing them what recovery looks like. And that's okay. It can be embarrassing. Sure, for them at the rates for teenagers, they don't talk about their mother being in recovery because that's what society says it's embarrassing. I say no, it's not saved my fucking life have something that saved my life embarrassing. No, no yet right?

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Definitely not embarrassing anymore. I could see where like if there was one point where there was a stigma on it but i think i think that's kind of all there still is worn off. Yes. But I think it's it's eroding I think and and more now than it's ever been.

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Right Jeff? I'm I want to be part of that erosion. Let's break that down. Right. There was an athlete of the day who just got on whatever it was facing and said, Hey, I'm gay. Now let's move on. I was like, I love the way he did that. He was like, it's a sad I had to make this comment. Sad. I had to even bring it up. But I did. Now let's move on. And I was like, I love it. That's exactly how I'm dealing with my addiction. And it's just something I want to make sure that I'm a soft landing. If my boys ever, ever end up finding themselves struggling with an addiction, I want their mother to be a soft landing, and all those around me, right? And the only way to do that is just to pave the road and show them what the journey looks like. That's it.

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I have a question. And I don't know if I'm I don't know how to ask the question. If I asked her on to something out. How long did you struggle with alcoholism, alcoholism? Or was it like an always thing and then finally, you just decided to focus on conquering it.

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There's a huge misunderstanding when it comes to addiction, where it's my addiction was always there. But when I was younger, of course, I wasn't three drinking a beer, right? That's not what happened. But there's an alcohol. I have a history of alcoholism. My father unfortunately died with his alcoholism, he died of cancer, but he died with his alcoholism. He wasn't drinking because he was doing chemo and stuff. But he still had the alcoholic brain. He never he died never had the opportunity that I have. And I'm a lot like my dad, right. So I was given the opportunity and the tools that we have now in the Millennium for those of us who have addictions, and let's go back for a minute do see your drug of choice. It's kind of irrelevant whether or not you're an alcoholic, a meth head heroin, food at a gambling addict. And addiction is an addiction and it's affecting life in a negative way. That's something to be addressed then, because you know, privately if this is, if what you're doing is affecting you in a negative negative way, people don't need to tell you, you, those of us who know we know so before alcohol, it would be sex with my boyfriend's before that it was definitely food I was anorexic, that whole thing because of food addiction, right purging and all that stuff. Before that, I would say love addiction before that working out and working addiction. So really, I was always an addict manifests itself in different ways. So you do have a choice, whether it's an actual physical thing, or an action, like working out, you can work out to your, you know, addicted to your body's going Stop, stop, right? If something's affecting your life in a negative way, then you know, that's when you have the opportunity, you do have the opportunity to address it. Not everybody has the care that I had either, though, but it is out there. You know, just pick up the phone now. Um, so to answer your question, I would say because there's alcoholism all over my family in an addiction. And God knows what else in the Pfeiffer side too, because there's fibers running around all over the place. I'm one of us for kids in my family, Michelle, rec. And Maureen, me, one of us is going to get it. I like to say that well, I was lucky one. And I say that because my life is better now in recovery than it was before. When I was so struggling all the time. It's now I get the opportunity to discover who I really am away from my addiction choking me quietly, silently. And those close to me knew Hey, no, no, when you have a friend who's struggling with something, and it's so nice to say, Okay, that was then this is now and even though sometimes you have tough days help people who are not in recovery have tough days. What's the difference? The difference is I have an opportunity to show people that they can do it. And that inspires me knowing that I inspire other people that they can do it too.

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very inspirational. And three years. Here's the next bazillion years is every year

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a baby in recovery. I mean, I know people who've got like 13 years 35 years and and I feel like I've been doing this for a long time and I think people relapse by the way after 40 some years. Those are the stories that scare the shit out of me because you're never safe when you're in recovery in anatomy. I'm doing great today but that doesn't mean tomorrow might not be different, right? So you can always checking your shit at the door every day. You wake up, you're checking your shit at the door, otherwise your addiction will kneecap you and you will become a statistic in when it comes to relapse. This is why relapses are so high.

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Was it helpful to you? Do you think to start to conquer the addiction by being away from the industry?

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Oh my god. Yeah, like I said, I was in my I was done with my first year of a two year master's degree at UCLA. And there I am helping people with addictions with mental illness, those experiencing homelessness, that was my area of concentration. And every time we got to the addiction part of chapters, or in any of my classes, there was that little private part of me that was resistant, because I knew it was too close to home. And I think those around me too, were a little concerned, like how can one help others when they're struggling? But if you look at people who go into being a therapist, or in the helping profession of health and welfare, social workers, what have you, a lot of us have come from a pretty jacked up past, it's not uncommon for us to then want to help but I had not embraced it. And it hit me it was just too mad. My mom passing away, I was exhausted from the journey to get to my last year. And my family just said, Okay, we're done with this, we're going to do an intervention. Little did they know that I was already looking at like on TV when they call one 800 addiction and we can help you it's anonymous. And I was about to call one of those numbers and say, Hey, this, my name is Jill and I don't know how to do this. And I said how many other people out there are struggling because it's the embarrassment and the shame that you carry with you that I didn't feel like I was tough enough or strong enough to stop to control it something is wrong with me right? That I can't control this. So why even fucking bother? I'm a loser. It's all of this internal conversations you have to keep you from picking up the phone. And when I had such an amazing family say we see you here you're struggling we'd like to do an intervention I said don't bother Just tell me where to go take care of my boys and I'll go it's touching how close your family is and and how much they took care of you and and came to you. You know, a lot of families never say anything. A lot of friends never say any. Because it's hard. And I have such empathy for the families around an addict. I really really do. It is very, very family is not like a linear problem. We're only the attic is suffering the it's a ripple effect that absolutely affects everybody. So what happens is when you're in recovery, and you're an addict who's in recovery, you go from the the identify problem in the family to the identified possibility in the family. And let me tell you, it's pretty exciting. Every day I wake up to be the identified possibility. My family looks at me no longer is identify problem, but they identify possibility. And hopefully I inspire them to look at their lives and go shut him down. He can do that. And be loud and proud about it and chill, no shame about it. Although I still have some shame just because I'm an addict. And that's what happens. We always have shame to work on. Right, right. What can they do with their lives? What are the possibilities you can start conquering? And hopefully that's what we can do. Because I'm gonna tell you right now being the identified problem is miserable is hard. You're slowly dying. Let's just go there. That's what it is. And everyone's watching you slowly die. And that's really painful, really painful. But there are ways to

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turn that around. We've got tons of great things ahead of us many amazing things on the horizon. dd Pfeiffer That's right. Yes. It's hard to like go from this to pivoting to so you dated George Clooney.

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Yep. Yeah, I painted George back in the day when we were young and yeah. Young and looking back. I used to think I was so ugly and attractive and fat. I look back and go oh, man, what a big waste. I actually was kind of cute. That was fun. George and I you know, I was doing movies and he was doing TV and he hated x at the time but understand doing movies was considered like you were an actor. If you did movies, and you were a B actor. If you did TV back then he was just doing pilots and stuff making a shitload of money. And I was doing films broke his broke, broke. So there was this jealousy. I was jealous of him because he had all this money. So he took me to dinner cuz I couldn't afford dinner. And then he was jealous of me because I was doing films, right. But I was like, Yeah, but I can't pay my rent, you know? So we had that we walk the pavement, you know, and all that. And I think it's funny as hell because I got married divorced three times. And he kept saying D why you keep getting married? who's married now, bro? Who's got kids now, buddy?

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Yeah, you would have been dating him in the full Clooney head of hair face.

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Oh, I have posters of him and me and red syrupy. Oh, he was gorgeous. GEORGE Yeah. Hello. George is so gorgeous Sylvia. Always be gorgeous. That

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one read surf so I wasn't able to watch read sir. I was able because I couldn't find a place where it was streaming. But I did watch the preview. And it was it was right to staying alive is only half the battle. It was funny. It's because there's like there's definitely an early George Clooney acting style. They later but you were in it, but it was a Doug savant from Melrose Place. And Gene Simmons. Yeah,

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I am known for being in projects with a very eclectic group of people. You can see that it's like if there's an eclectic cast, I'm somehow sometimes always in there.

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You did cast on er during the Clooney. Phase right during during the Clinton years, right? He was not on it then. Did you just miss George Clooney? I gave to George I didn't miss nothing. I mean on ER and Yeah. That was when he was like becoming super famous George Clooney.

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Yeah, I remember him came over and he showed me the pilot. This is a date. This is gonna put my my gay go, let's go get some, you know, bottles go drink such an alcoholic, right? He's like, okay, check this out. I'm like, Dude, it's bloody. It's like, Yeah, he was just so excited about and I was like, I just wanted Yeah, I was like, whatever. When the air. I was like, Oh, shit, did it last. He's off and running. Now. He knew the minute he saw the pilot. This was gonna be he was

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excited. Yeah, that's awesome. So so you can always hold it over. Michelle said that you worked with George Clooney before she did?

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Exactly right. Yeah. He had this old car that had these holes on the side. And when he left, Michelle was like, Who's this guy? So it was George, you know, your friend. She'll introduce me to him. And he pays gorgeous. Yeah, what's up with the bullet holes in the side of the car. So she thought he had bullet holes. So she wasn't fond of them in the beginning. So that's one of our running jokes is that she had bullet holes. There were rivets. You know, that side paneling had fallen off. So it looked like bullet holes. And yeah, because he had broken down big cars. I'm like that. And then of course my little sister who's really shy Laurie. She was chilly to them. Right? Because she thought it was just gorgeous. So she got really shy. So he's like, Well, okay, great. You're listening to things that I have bullet holes in my car and your your sister hates me. I'm like George Shut up. No, they don't. And you know, so for years he gave them shit for like hating him for what one thinking he was like, you know, a gangsta and the other one just thinking he was I don't know why he thought for a long time ago he to this day he thinks you hate him. He's

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That's funny. That is really funny. When I started dating my wife, she was missing part of the who by the way, is a social worker. Oh, she's a social workers degree. Social Worker degree also. So you guys have that in common. Maybe you're in a Facebook group together. But she her car was missing the floor. But I wasn't dating a car that was anything better. At the time I was dating. I got an 87 like Chrysler the Baron. It was like one of these white cars. It looked like your grandpa had just pulled up from Florida. One time I always knew my wife loved me as like as like she fell in love with me with this car. That's how you know it's real love. That's love right there. Exactly. In the movies, you got you worked with Michelle in three movies. Was it fine? Or did you like with David E. Kelly with Big Sky not really even connect

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when you're on screen with somebody then versus them in a zoom meeting. And they're a little head in the window? Because with series when you're doing a series, you work with a lot of different people. So David is like the Creator, writer and all that true. He's kind of up over there doing that. And then you have producers who are hands on. So the show I'm working with other producers and David, when you're on screen, you're working with the other actor, right? So it was great working with my sister, because she's my sister. I think the only thing that I think we both not I don't even say it struggled with the right word. But the that we thought I think odd was that we've worked differently to me anyways, I noticed immediately we work different. I come from improv and very loosey goosey. And I use it a lot of different way of paintings that I've studied kind of a mishmash, I'm very much a patchwork, I'd say shell is like this silk gorgeous blanket, you know, just solid, just an antique gorgeous silk. She's very meticulous with her acting and the technique she uses. And then you got me on this wildcard. So it doesn't really matter if they're two sisters with different styles. This happens often on a set when you just have actors who work differently, right? Right, work different, that doesn't make one better than the other, just we're just different. So there was that challenge to try to come to some kind of a balance where she likes rehearsals, and she wants to know what's happening in that whole thing. At least back in the day, right? I don't see it that way anymore. Whereas I was more like, oh, throw me throw me something wild. You know, I want it like raw and real and and not all actors are comfortable with that. Right?

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I'm not an actor, but I'll take your word for it.

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For me, it was more like oh, I had no idea that we really worked differently. And it was a discovery more than anything.

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It makes sense. You should have like these visions, any actor probably has a vision in their head how to get there. And you get there how you get there.

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Yeah, like Katherine, who's on Big Sky. She's one of the leads, we were doing a scene and she had asked me she said in one of the scenes last season, she was like pick you to be 15 pick up your line and pick it up, you know, you can leave me hanging. And I said, Well, can I see your question? I said, Sure. I have no problem doing that, of course. But let me ask you a question before I do. How does it make you feel when I'm leaving hanging is really kind of uncomfortable. I said, and then what? And she's, well, she's making me kind of have to sit like I'm uncomfortable. I said, Do you think maybe Denise is doing that with Jenny? That's what I said, Do you think maybe I'm quiet in my mind because I'm giving you a moment to feel the grief of losing someone that you love? And she goes I didn't get that I said so I kind of spoon fed it to her right but she like there's a way where she was expecting this back and forth banter. And yet I came in to it from a psychological perspective, which is kind of how I scored Denise where she's you know, she's got some social worker skills and you know this where sometimes when you're

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Yeah, okay, you've been favored a call even fight

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Exactly. When you're quiet. The other person's left with the like, what are you left with? You're like

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you have to master the silence. It's

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like this is a different way they are to this a lot in silence. And this is true. But I also think it's cool with another character, especially because her character was going through grief. And I thought I was I would try one take doing something interesting. So see, I'm saying, and yet I kind of had to explain to her like what I was doing so that it didn't trip her up in the seats. That's not fair. I'm not into tricking other actors up, but I also am into doing things that they don't expect to get an organic natural reaction and feeling and hopefully that cameras rolling and there's not not out of focus or something, right. Yeah, those are the kicks that you want. That's the stuff that makes the audience excited, right?

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I love they have such a science behind it. But it's just an organic science science to it.

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I mean, people don't think that maybe I'm doing much as Denise because I'm on screen a lot. But I'm telling you, I give these a lot of thought there's a lot of things that go into why I speak and why I don't speak and the things that I say and when the writers Give me the lines, they're emotionally charged with a lot of history you would never know all the stuff that I do for this character even though you don't see your life. Maybe this next season you will I don't know. We'll see. I don't know when you guys know. I

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think there's a I called David Kelly before this and there's a potential Denise spin off

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the wall around aliens because I'm in New Mexico right now and I want to be abducted jet I need a vacation. I always tell everybody, I need to be abducted just so I could just get out of the units for a minute. I need a vacation. That idea You're insane. I said There you go. And Denise believes in aliens last season, they threw a line in there about watching alien spotting with some date I had. See I love that. I'm not alone, out there with my alien beliefs.

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You got to embrace it's the best time ever to have alien beliefs now now more than ever, dude, I

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thought why not believe in that. I mean, we can't believe we're the only life form in the entire universe that's so arrogant. And I don't want to be the only ones because humans were kind of doing some stuff to our own planet that ain't very nice. So I hope there's something else going on out there. That's just another option. And I wouldn't mind going to visit that second option. Just don't do those experiments on me that sounds a little funky.

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everyone listening please do not pro DD Viper Yeah, I just I just put it out there but that bounce off a few satellites and you've been in some big comedies Baylor you were in Civil War. That's one of the things if you look up your name like oh no and for civil. I didn't know you so much from that show. I did watch an episode just to kind of catch it and bring it in and it was a hell of a cast actually, you know, Chuck Lorre show and and I got a chance to see Tom well Pat and civil sing. I don't know if that was something they put in their contract but feared love. Okay, so I love that show when it was on, and I wanted to rewatch it. I couldn't find it anywhere. I found it on YouTube on it on YouTube. You were great in that that was such a fun show. Again, another fun cast. You did it for like four years after scible. And for your love is part of your frustrations with the industry that is like like, Where was the next sitcom? You're clearly a great sitcom actor. You had a flair for it. You have a flair for the funny

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I did a pilot for NBC Paramount Kelsey Grammer pilot called neurotic tendencies. Really, we had high hopes but we didn't get picked up. So that was going to hopefully be my next one. I was a lead in that one with Gary Cole, actually, who I worked with two or three times now. I don't know Gary and I like always seem to work together. It's very fun. We've worked on midnight color we did. Nora tendencies. And I think another one we're working with Gary. It's very funny. Gary call is awesome. He amazing. I love him. He's so sweet. Oh, he's so sweet. Let's see, uh, did that. And then after that, I did like some films. You happen. I started. I was reading for stuff and not getting it. I think I was starting to get really nervous. You know what I mean? There was like this nervous performance that was coming out. I people have high hopes for me to score another series. And I think that I'm not gonna say that my addiction probably wasn't part of my inability to be 100% I think that's true. I think I was maybe in some relationships that also kind of were not very positive in my life. And I take 50% responsibility for that as well. I mean, it takes two to tango, right? I'm not blaming anything on anybody else, nor my addiction. But you know, that's I didn't ask for that. But I no one says, Hey, I want to wake up one morning and I want to be an addict. I mean, I I think looking back, I think the universe kind of had to kneecap me for a minute, in a strange way so that the trajectory changed so that I went to school so I could check out from the pressures for a minute, and then in school, discovered a lot of other things about myself and raising my boys alone. That whole journey within itself is just, it's tough. I get a lot of credit for any single parent and then you know, trying to be successful in relationships while in denial with my addiction. Right? That's Whole thing. So at the end of the day, I was about to go out and be a social worker working with those with experiencing homelessness, mental illness and substance use sober when David out of nowhere sent me a text the man never calls me, let alone Texas, me It says, Hey, he's laughing. I think I have a role for you. And I was like, What? What? Well, I almost dropped my phone because he didn't know something, Jeff and I love telling the story. At that point, I had no idea how I was going to survive on a social workers income raising two teenage boys and throwing some rescued animals who liked to eat as well. I had no idea how I was going to do that I really didn't. But I trusted my sobriety, I trusted that my heart, my soul, my authentic self was in a positive place, I had to trust that somehow the universe was going to shift and allow me to do good in the world. And then he threw me this bone, this Lifeline in a boat, he threw me a lifeline. And that's how I got this job. So I graduated with my master's during COVID online, and we did this pilot, and then the show got picked up. So I have every opportunity. Every goal right now is to merge my now old fan base and my new fan base together one day on with a talk show that revolves around social welfare issues that I'd like to be the host of and invite all my friends I went to school with who are fantastic people who are not making enough money to properly survive, and I'm not talking about getting rich, right and, and give them a format to give back to society and communities and the world. Give them a platform to give back. So there's that Who would have ever thought so my journey is a strange one. It's a bumpy one, but I don't think it's any different than a lot of other people I've heard who've chosen to do difficult things like address the demons in your life in your world.

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It's awesome how you've embraced your journey and making all these good things happen in the world. Yeah, who would have thought that was cool David E. Kelly to give you to text you

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Yeah, like outlet that people go Oh, it's about Tommy hairdo. I'm like no, but think about it. Had he given me Well, first of all, I read for David shows before so everyone just chillax there for a minute, guys. 1000 days, I read for David shows back in the past and I didn't get the role because other people were better for the role. Right? And God bless him for that because the shows are fantastic, right? But out of nowhere, he got this. He got CJ box's books, the novels, you know, and he wrote this pilot and he said Damn, I think he's really good for Denise. And there I was over there going, what am I going to do when I graduate? What am I going to do? How am I going to figure this out? The universe said Oh, we'll help you out with our DD Here you go.

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I don't know DD you could have been alley McBeal I'm gonna if I see Dave, I'm gonna have words.

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David didn't rip off some characteristics for me for alley I know for a fact that he did cuz I watched the show and I was like, Oh my God, that's me. I said, You are such a thief. He just like looks like a shell. When he says, everybody that's what makes them so great. He just sits quietly in a room and watches and he's a swan and the more like your idiosyncrasies and records you have the better give that to some character in one of his shows. And then they get like Awards and nominations.

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Favorite color Kelly's like one of those guys like Shonda Rhimes, Shonda Rhimes, is in that world to where every show is by that person. You know, like I grew up where every show on TV was a David eco. It's pretty cool. I do have what two things I do one, just kudos to the amazing scene and falling down because that's that's a great scene. It's a classic thing. I was gonna bring this up anyway, but my wife would kill me if I didn't because friends is one of our favorite shows. I say our it's my wife's favorite show. I also love it, but she's the one that's obsessed with it. So when I mentioned of it, oh, hey, you know Deedee Pfeiffer was in that one episode. And she's like, she got so excited. So you're in like a really important episode of the series one. It's a funny character. You play Phoebe's friend, Mary Ellen Jenkins, but you're in the scene with your Paul Rudd's first scene.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in a transitional scene for the show. For sure. Yeah, actually tell you what, it's a very funny story. I had just given birth to my first son Braxton. He was maybe not even three months old. I was breastfeeding in the waiting room with the baby's daddy about to go interview for the pediatrician, the doctor pediatrician in that episode, remember Ross's pediatrician, that role and then they said he wants to be this other role in the show, which was you know, Matt, perfect girlfriend. So I was like, Okay, I went back out and I'm breastfeeding my son again. in the waiting room with a blanket. Nobody knew I was doing I'm not one of those. And so but my son needed to feed and then I got the rule and I was like, wait a minute. I'm like, What How did I get that rule like it to this day? I still don't know how I got that role. So while I was on the show, I went on the set with like vomit down the back of my jacket on rehearsal because I was burping my son in the room and it was just so funny. I went that oh my god, you're like the perfect girlfriend. I'm like I was I was a mess. I was brand new mother with project on the back of my suede jacket trying to act cool. And I really yeah, and then my son took the curtain call with me three months. He and he met Jennifer Everybody he has no idea cuz he was three months. He doesn't realize how cool that is right? I'm like Braxton, do you know that you met the whole cast? He's like, three months. I

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don't know. That is pretty cool though. So I will say one they made a mistake not caring your character for they never gave Joe a good girlfriends In my opinion, you would have been a great person, especially since you have such great comic timing. And you're so hilarious. I mean, considering the other person at the table went on to the end of the series,

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they did feel more there's another scene or that that they cut it all down. And what they said to me was, unfortunately, had to cut it down because you're right, I think they wanted to see more of it. But this was the episode that Phoebe's life was going to go into other directions. So they didn't want to confuse the audience and have them want to go in two directions. So mine had to be cut down right to keep the attention on Phoebe and the trajectory of her character. But I was like, Hey, man, I'm friends. Either way I was there. And you know what have I gotta be honest, Jeff. Can't tell you why she's gonna be like, what's up with DTS booze. As I was waiting to go on the scene, my son fell asleep. And if you've ever had kids, and you're breastfeeding, your breasts start to get in gorged and as he was sleeping and sleeping and sleeping, my breasts are getting bigger and bigger and but by time I went out on the set, even Lisa Kudrow, one of the characters like what the hell is your kids I go, sleep, my breaths are falling out of my wardrobe. So that character had a nice set of knockers, thanks to my son's nap.

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Friends exclusive right here in Detroit. All right. So here's here's the funny thing as I was rewatching it BB says to you smart, cute and loose. And then you eat the olives, all the olives off the toothpick. Right. And so but the thing I noticed in rewatching, it was I'd never noticed before, when they then cut back, there's then a scene where it cuts back and you're holding the good the martini. The olives are still in after you ate them. Oh, interesting. Yeah, that was the close up they got and then yeah, yeah, you ate the olives. And they pull back and the hours are back in the thing. So boom, that's somebody in continuity department. It's going damn I miss that. I know to friends exclusives right there. Exactly. I want you to tell everyone where they can find you on social media. So you can keep up with you after the fact. Feel free when you mentioned your Instagram to mention panni your cockatoo which is what everyone will be treated to when they go to your Instagram. Well, yeah,

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he chords my Instagram. I keep asking her get her own. But she refuses. She's a diva. Actually, I'm lame. When it comes to social media. My son's never let me do it before I got on the show. And then went on the show. They're like you have to do publicity. my publicist who I never had before, was like, you need social media. I'm like, I know how to do that stuff. And she's like, Oh, Jesus, so I'm only on Instagram. And it's 85 for official. I'm a newbie, so forgive me people if I do something silly or stupid. And I'm still learning and I just do a lot of fun things. I do things that make you feel good or go Oh, big fan of like animals and things that make you feel good. And of course will bless you for the show. I'll do like I said pictures on there behind the scenes and what have you and Pandora and my son's cockatoo who's completely taken over my entire Instagram account and literally people say Where's Penny? Penny? Penny, like what a half Penny feel about moving to New Mexico. Dude, Jeff, I'm gonna try to get the cockatoo in one of the scenes this year big Scott.

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Wouldn't it be funny I would love that and especially now that you've said it and then I'll be able to see it and I'll be laid

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down people who follow me will lose their shit if Penny does a cameo. I'm gonna tell the producers the penny does a cameo my followers anyways are going to be like she got on the show.

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Dedee and let me give you one one Instagram piece of advice you should definitely get Penny good to her her own Instagram my dog Lola has their own Instagram has over like 12,000 followers on Instagram.

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I have like a little over 5000 which I'm really flattered because that's just people finding me right I didn't do anything special to try to get the little check or everything you need to get the dad or the check them out. I need to do anything I'm just doing my own thing everybody chillax I love my followers they love me I respond sometimes you don't I mean I like if they say some comments keep it kind of small and intimate. I don't mean like a billion people and actually scare me I pray right away they I feel like there's an intimacy between you know my followers and me it's cool i like it Penny if she gets your own you know that she'll get like the checker the dot and then I'll get all like a player hater. And then you know, I'll get bet even more than I already get pit buyer.

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She's already impossible dinner I don't want to

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buy sounds like you were totally pimping out my bird. I said totally. I am totally pimping out your bird. People love the bird more than me.

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Too funny Dedee. This was a lot of fun. I can't thank you enough for hanging out with me. Thank you so much. My day I was having like a real kind of sad day and now I'm happy Thank you. Well, I'm glad I'm glad that you're three plus years sober. I'm glad the journey that you took is taking you to so many amazing places and I'm excited for further success of Big Sky and of Dedee Pfeiffer in general and am looking for that special cockatoo cameo on Biggs guy via huge mess for David E Kelly to not hire the cockatoo but thank you so much. I really had a great time. Thank you. This has been so much fun. Thank you all right, ladies and gentlemen Dedee Pfeiffer what I tell you amazing story, wasn't it? so inspirational. So happy she shared all that with me and you and if you don't already watch Big Sky, definitely catch up on season one. You can watch it on Hulu. That's where I watched it. Season Two is common. Dedee Pfeiffer's coming back as Denise it's gonna be awesome David E. Kelly shows are always entertaining. So definitely check out Dedee Pfeiffer on Big Sky. Well here we are at the end of another episode, you know that means that means it's time for another trending hashtag when the family of hashtag games at hashtag round up. That's right get your Twitter on Add hashtag round up shouldn't Twitter refund? Yes, it should. And that's why hashtag roundup exists. Play hashtag games all day every day. Grab the free hashtag roundup app on Apple or Google get notified every time a hashtag game goes live. Also follow hashtag roundup on twitter at hashtag or round up. Never miss a game play along and one day one of your tweets may show up on a future episode of live from Detroit. The Jeff Dwoskin show Dedee inspired this next hashtag actually inspired a panni reopen he does get that cameo and Big Sky but in the meantime, we're gonna read some amazing hashtags from the hashtag game hashtag put a bird and a movie or show brought to us by dangerous tags, a weekly game on hashtag round up, put a burden movie or show the ultimate mash up game. Take a bird any kind of bird and mash it into a movie title or show title and what happens hilarity ensues. Here's some great examples and after the show, get on Twitter and tweet your own hashtag put a bird in a movie or show as always, all the tweets I read will be retweeted at Jeff Dwoskin show on Twitter. They'll be in the show notes show him some love one day you'll be on that list and you'll want someone to show you the love as well. All right, get ready for some amazing hashtag put a bird and a movie or show tweets and here we go parakeet unpeel House of Cards knows the Chevy Chase classic foul play quails from the Crypt, The Big Bird theory, Pirates of the Caribbean. These are all amazing hashtag put a bird in a movie or show tweets and I think any of these could be a starring vehicle for panni But wait, there's more to Wong Foo thanks for every wing Julie Newmar. Very clever Jake. Funky rooster The Carol Burnett Show 12 angry hands parrot Mason, Kiwis Big Adventure twin beaks when Harry Peck Sally is just not into emo. A few good Ren Sparrow costs an American and parrots, happy Jays and to wrap it up our final hashtag put a bird in a movie or show little grouse on the prairie. Oh, all right. I think Penny's manager is probably all over these. Any one of you want to write a spec script and send it over to Dedee Pfeiffer to see if panni wants to star in it. I definitely encourage you to do that. But with that we are at the end of another episode. Can you believe it? I can't believe it. 71 episodes have come and gone. How is that even possible? So great to have you back each and every week. I do want to thank once again my amazing guest, Dedee Pfeiffer and I of course want to thank all of you for coming back week after week. I can't thank you enough. It means the world to me, and I'll see you next time.

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Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the Jeff Dwoskin show with your host Jeff Dwoskin. Now go repeat everything you've heard and sound like a genius. catch us online at the Jeff Dwoskin show.com or follow us on Twitter at Jeff Dwoskin show and we'll see you next time.

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