#266 Diving in with Comedian Joe Matarese

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thank you so much for that amazing introduction. You get the show going each and every weekend this week was no exception. Welcome, everybody, to Episode 266 of classic conversations. As always, I am your host, Jeff Dwoskin. Great to have you back for what's sure to be a classic episode for the ages. Joining me today is none other than comedian Joe Matarese. We're diving in with Joe talking about his comedy specials, America's Got Talent and a whole lot more and that's coming up in just a few seconds. And in these few seconds. Lenny ribs was here last week. Don't miss my conversation with Lenny Star Wars Holiday Special Bosom Buddies full house so many great stories. You're gonna love that chat right now you're here to love my conversation with Joe Matarese. Quick heads up that there's a lot of adult language in this episode. Nothing gratuitous but more than usual. So I just wanted to mention it so you can have headphones on if you're at work or with the kids. We're diving into the ups and downs of reality television, Joe's sharing stories opening for Bill Hicks hanging with a pre famous Drew Carey so much goodness coming up right now. Enjoy. All right, my next comedian you may have seen him on the Late Show with David Letterman five times not Late Late Show with Craig Kilbourne and Greg Ferguson America's Got Talent Howard Stern Show his own Comedy Central special fixing Joe Philly's own Joe Matarese... what's up?

Joe Matarese 2:06

That was hilarious. Jeff, that was I liked that. radio voice turned on for that. That was nice.

Jeff Dwoskin 2:13

It's from years of doing stand up at the club when they would have the good people doing the intros.

Joe Matarese 2:19

does sound like that guy who's on the offstage mic. Yeah, I ever gets your name right. That guy.

Jeff Dwoskin 2:24

Exactly. Exactly. So okay, so speaking of comedy clubs, funny thing, so I'm watching your clips, you know, doing my mojo research one of your comedy reel, and all of a sudden you're like, This is the worst club ever. And like that's always Livonia.

Joe Matarese 2:39

Oh, I'm forgetting it. You're in. You're in Detroit. Yeah, that's gone. Right?

Jeff Dwoskin 2:44

It's gone. But I was just like, Oh, it's so funny. That's Joey's comedy club in Livonia, because it's an unmistakable backdrop. And so I was just, I just thought it was too funny.

Joe Matarese 2:55

It's funny like that I leave that clip up there because it has so many views. And it's a shame because the quality is so bad because it's been on YouTube so long. It was like before anyone had cell phones with HD cameras on that was like filmed with like, like a camcorder in the back. So like, and I'm too lazy. Like I have the original little if you look at this closet that's behind me right here. All of like, every iteration of from VHS to DVD to mini DV to VHS See, like the quarter inch tapes. I even have many. Remember those mini discs, comedians used to have those little mini disc recorders. There were little squares, you could sit him in the back of the club and they will record really well. I even have many discs in that back thing. I have that actual clip, probably in way better resolution in that.

Jeff Dwoskin 3:48

I have like an entire box because I would film every time I would go on stage. And so I have an entire box of like those tapes and I no way to play them. And then I was at a I was with my daughter at a estate sale. And they had this zip drive. Did you have a zip drive where it was like you know how floppies were like couple mag balls zip drive was like 100 meg it was like mind blowing. You can put 100 meg on one piece of digital media. I was like girls this is I lived on these things. I had them the the greatest things.

Joe Matarese 4:23

Well, it's my brother recently texted me some company that you know, that's their thing that they'll digitize your old video, VHS tapes or whatever, whatever kind of format you have in it. And I said to my brother, he goes, it's pretty affordable. I just checked, and it's $13 per videotape, and I go, I might have 1000 I'm pretty sure I'm not paying that. I'm like and I'm not sorting through this to figure out what would be usable on social media and like with this, there's only one thing that I would really want to put up there. I have like a home video of me On my first road gig ever, I think it was 1992. I was the emcee. It was the Cleveland improv. And Bill Hicks was the headliner. And I'm filming Bill Hicks at the bar asking him questions, and it's so cringe worthy. Because I'm such a new comedian and the stupid shit. I'm asking one of the greatest comedians of all time, I would love to put that up on social. Because I'd be like, Oh my god,

Jeff Dwoskin 5:26

that's amazing. So why did you ask him that was so cringe worthy. Do you remember why I assume because it was cringe worthy. You do remember at least one.

Joe Matarese 5:34

I remember one classic piece of information I took from it. And it's funny that I use the word peace. There was a moment, I was such a Bill Hicks fan and I couldn't believe I was getting to open for him. On my first road gig, right? There was something called the Dirty Dozen that came out back then. And I'm way older than you. You know, I was born in 67. started comedy in 89. Not around 8990 is when I first started open mic, and I get a chance to go out to Cleveland to do this gig. And the Dirty Dozen came out it was a pay per view. You had to pay for it. And it had like all these comedians like being dirty, and Bill Hicks was on it. And that's where I first saw him. And he had this bit that I called on my own shit the brewed. It was like something about the joke was like, if I can vaguely remember it was like, somehow he hated Dick Clark and Dick Clark gets pregnant from like, the seed of John Davidson is like fucking Dick Clark. I can be dirty on your podcast, I'm guessing. Sure. So he's like having anal with Dick Clark. And then they have a baby, and this person becomes pregnant and starts, as Bill Hicks would say shitting, the brood and literally in the bid. He's just shitting all these performers that he thinks sucks. And I still remember at one point, he shits twice, and he's like, wham, shit twice and call it wham. And I just thought this bid was really funny when he did it. So I had asked him to do it before he went on stage the first night, and he was about halfway through his act and he hadn't done it yet. What a cringe worthy moment this is that I did this. I got one of the waitresses. I wrote down on a bar napkin shit the brood, handed it to the waitress and she brought it up to him in the middle of his. She fucking walks up typical Comedy Club waitress has no idea when she should maybe interrupt the comedian. She just walks right up and just shoves him this piece of paper and he looks at it. And he goes, All right. And I'm like, so embarrassed in the back. This is a great piece to add to the story is Drew Carey to sitting next to me. Drew Carey wasn't famous yet. This is how long ago it was. He was the local headliner for one of the nights when Bill Hicks was doing Letterman. So like, I think Drew Carey did the Tuesday night and then hexes Wednesday through Sunday, right? So Drew Carey was such a fan of Bill Hicks. He came back when he wasn't working and he's sitting next to me. And he goes all right, I'll and he goes into the bid. Thank God, it kills, right. It gets like a big applause break. Thank God and me and Drew Carey are high fiving each other at this bit. That's just so disgusting. And we're loving it. So cut to after the show. Talking to Bill Hicks. I have it's one of those big camcorders, you know, from the early 90s. I bought it with a JC Penney credit card that they will give anybody credit back then. And I had a JC Penney credit card and I maxed it with one buyer. I'm like I'm buying a video camera and be able to film all my comedy sets and I stick the camera in his face and just turn it on. And the middle. I could still remember this guy's name to his name was like John McDowell or John McDonough. John mix something if he's out there, and you get to see this book as John you remember it was you John's more of a ham than me or Bill Hicks. He just like is going forward in the camera. And all of a sudden Bill Hicks on camera starts talking about how I assaulted him with a request. And he goes that I still remember that this was like a great takeaway for comedians. He goes, I'm in the middle of my Chevette piece. That's what he says. And this guy requests shit, the brood and I'm doing my Chevette piece because the audience is stupid. So I have bits purposely put in my act to keep me doing well for when I want to do the more meaningful material and I was like oh, I remember thinking like hmm, even Bill Hicks has some hacky shit that he throws in there because I remember he had like, this is your brain. This is your brain on drugs but that I had seen every comedian has but he had one too but they were purposely in there. And when he says Chevette piece the middle act looks into the camera goes Note to self. He goes in five years. changed from calling them bits to pieces that stuck with me for some reason I still to this day think, comedians, you don't write one liners, you write pieces of material pieces, long amounts of material. And it starts to really makes sense, especially if you want to make money on Sirius XM, which you can make decent residual money off your comedy albums, which I had until this lawsuit, which we could talk about later that's going on with Sirius XM, I stopped it for the last five months, I haven't been getting any residual money. They dropped all seven of my albums out of their library, which sucks because of some lawsuit that a record label started that I didn't start but yeah, if you have a good piece that makes you good money on Sirius, Sirius XM, you know, can't have one joke about something then move on to another subject. It's tough to air 15 seconds on a radio.

Jeff Dwoskin 10:55

The best advice I ever got from a comedian who was like a good storyteller comedian, they it wasn't like it was a series of bits that he eventually put together as into a piece as you call it sort of like taking the different ones. And then that helped me also with memorization, because if I knew, like, this piece just fit into this piece into this piece into that piece. And you'd have like this bigger piece, you know, so it was Yeah. It's also interesting to hear like when one of the greats like Bill Hicks still knew how to massage the audience to get to that.

Joe Matarese 11:28

Yeah. And it was also which is funny, I heard I heard Louie CK recently on somebody's podcast saying he was talking about his opener, this girl Adrian I Appa Lucci who I know pretty well, and she has really dark material. And he was saying, I love watching a comedian that really doesn't belong on stage, do well and make it work on stage. He goes, those are what comedians should be. He doesn't think it should be the guys with a lot of charisma. And if you hung around Bill Hicks for a week, like I did, I mean, very quiet offstage, no charisma whatsoever. It's all material. When you have no charisma, you're kind of forced to really write really, right. Well, I wish I was that. I think I'm a charisma comedian, which I I wish I wasn't. Some people will say no, you have clever bits. You have both. I'm like, I noticed the guys. I'm aware. I don't think I'm nearly as well written as some of the guys with no charisma. I could go up there with nothing and get laughs

Jeff Dwoskin 12:25

could they have the confidence to do that? Gilbert Godfried was very I worked with him. I got to open for him once and he was very quiet back is

Joe Matarese 12:32

another one silent. I'm told that whole voice was fake. And they used to play his real voice on The Howard Stern Show that you would go that's literally sounds nothing like Gilbert Godfrey, his regular that he has a whole other voice. I mean, Chris Rock has an inflected voice. It's still his voice. But it definitely is a turned on voice that he uses for when he's in concert. And when you would see him come into the clubs in New York City where I came up in, and I still live close in New York City. He popped when he pops in to work on new material. He just does it with no inflection. He just reads it. Like he doesn't do none of that. None of that shit. It's just like, and then this guy, he just does it flat to see if it works by itself on stage voice. That's why he doesn't do the stage

Jeff Dwoskin 13:20

saying That's right. My brother used to always come watch me do comedy. And he go, you know who I'd love to be friends with on stage. Jeff?

Joe Matarese 13:28

That's funny. That's probably what my wife would probably rather be married to. I'm very, what's the word like very in the moment? I'm not in my head, as my wife would say. I mean, most of the time when I'm off stage, the best version of me I always say is on stage. Especially if I took Adderall about an hour before I went up there. I'm like, but like off Adderall. Me in the middle of the day. I'm just like, pick them half awake. Most of the slow.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:59

I hear about this lawsuit. They screwed over a lot of comedians and artists. And you kind of got sucked into this.

Joe Matarese 14:05

Yeah, it's weird. I'm just starting to unfold information on which a lot of comedians probably knew all about it right away. But it's kind of at least it's unfair to me, and I don't even know how much we're allowed to talk about on pockets. Have you entered any? Have you interviewed any comedians that have brought it up?

Jeff Dwoskin 14:21

No. I mean, I saw I got on Facebook, I thought John Heffron was talking about some of his stuff got removed because of something in direct.

Joe Matarese 14:30

what sucks about my situation is I have five albums that weren't on the record label that is having the dispute and they dropped those two. It's like I'm blacklisted. My name is connected with that record company because I did two albums with them, which I could live with that take those off and don't play those but you're not playing the other five either. So I'm down to $0 and that money really came Thank God this didn't happen during COVID because that money was really important when I had no gigs for you know that two years. trench, but it's still sucks now because you got used to it. I was getting a nice little residual check every month for seven albums. And most of them were from the latest album I did with that record label, which I won't say their name, but they instructed me and they were smart. I hate this because it's like a friend of mine who's a musician. I was just talking to him earlier today. And he's like, you never want to do it for the money or you always want to do it for the art. And I'm like, I totally did what they said for the money and it worked, which was record a clean album. They said, I don't care if you do old bits from some of your older albums. If you re record it, it doesn't matter if it's clean. There's seven stations on Sirius XM, and only ones dirty that plays comedy and you got six clean ones. So do the math. The more you're played, the more money you get. So my money, the positive was my money went way up. But the negative was they stopped playing any of the old stuff they just threw them was like that, that didn't exist. You learn a lot about the businesses sometimes certain record labels, they have a way of getting their material played even back in the day right? I guess some of the record they could get your they could get your shit on the radio and that was what you wanted. You want the people to hear it. And nowadays not only do you want them to hear it, it's your checks bigger if it gets played more so like there's no one ever that's like I came to the tonight show because I hear you a lot on Sirius XM comedy channel like I maybe had that said to me once I hear your stuff, but like for some reason, it doesn't make you a draw. They could play you a ton but makes you money and there is it's difficult as a performer it's like how much do you go towards the money without compromise? Well, it's

Jeff Dwoskin 16:43

almost like it sounds like it's more like a passive thing to like a past almost like a comedian version of passive income. I can see where they may not know it's Joe Matarese because you're I'm driving a lot of the time right

Joe Matarese 16:53

so I'm just your name across the screen. It's

Jeff Dwoskin 16:56

on the screen, but I'm not I'm not looking at it. And so maybe you need to do pull up Taylor Swift just rerecord the album, parentheses Joe's version

Joe Matarese 17:04

was about to say that that's what I just got instructed to do. It's funny that you say that someone told me a few comedians were doing it and they said do this go rerecord all your greatest hits and go to a different record label that isn't that record label and have them submit it because we don't take self submissions anymore. There was a time they would let us self submit your albums not an easy do to go rerecord everything that's old. It's not going to cost you a lot to record an album A musician to go rerecord his music that will cost a lot more money. You know, not that easy to go do it and the heart's not there. Sometimes you're like, I gotta go redo that old bit doesn't work as well, because I don't like it anymore. And it's old. It's like, it's not easy to go rerecord at all you can rerecord your newer stuff and then resubmit. But it's complicated. One comedian started his own label because of this lawsuit. But he was nice. He's like, I'm gonna do it for a low percentage, because record labels, I don't know if people out there know this, they give 50%. There's two checks one to the label and one to the artist, the lawsuit is that they want the written format to also generate money, how a musician, there's three ends of money, there's the writer, there's the performer, and then there's the label with comedians, it's just too, that's what the lawsuit is about. So the other option I have is wait it out and get a lawyer and try to really get this written form of what we're doing. And that's confusing to me. Because like, a written form of a script is easy. You can put it you'd have to write all your jokes out word for word and then get them copyrighted. I mean, that's not tremendously hard to do. And I'm sure comedians would do it if someone was paying us for the copy written side of the written form, right? I mean, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't understand all of it.

Jeff Dwoskin 18:53

Yeah, music. I think that's where the money is. That's that's where Lionel Richie made all his money and say, goodbye, Commodores.

Joe Matarese 18:58

Yeah. And then like what you said, Taylor Swift. What was her reason for re recording? Did she have a really bad deal or some

Jeff Dwoskin 19:05

somebody bought all her music rights, but she owned like they the person who bought her music, I'm gonna get this wrong, but it's one of these things like oh, and like the recorded version, but she owned like the music or whatever or the words like or whatever was so she could then legally rerecord it. Not every artist would have been able to do that because it's possible they wouldn't have owned either of those. But somehow she had good lawyers upfront. So that's how she was able to actually rerecord it. Otherwise, they would have owned the words and the music. Sorry to interrupt, but I have to go fact check everything I just said about Taylor Swift. Before I get letters, I've pretty sure it's mostly true or accurate. Kind of close, I don't know. Anyway, I do want to thank everyone for their support of the sponsors. When you support the sponsors. You're supporting us here at Classic conversations. And that's how we keep the lights on and now Back to my conversation with Joe Mata reads a little more on this Sirius XM lawsuit.

Joe Matarese 20:05

That's the other thing that happens in this business is guys like, I guess some of the big names that are suing are like Louis black and some of these other people. I told you what I was making a month, we could imagine what someone like Louis black who's getting played a ton as they're probably getting $50,000 checks a month in residuals from their audio being played on Sirius XM, like, so they're suing, but someone like that is still a millionaire. So like me losing this smaller amount who had a joke about that? It was Eddie Murphy, right back in like delirious or something, as were the women one half, one half. I remember him having a joke about that he's like, but he did it many. I remember having, or maybe it was Chris Rock, Chris Rock, or Eddie Murphy had a joke about that, where it's like, the spectrum changes, like you take this small amount away from me, and I don't make it. I don't make millions of dollars touring. You're really fucking me here. It's like, I'm sitting there going, and it's unfair. I'm like, what? I didn't even sue. Someone else decided to sue. I didn't even they didn't even ask me if I cared if they sued. If they would have said we're gonna sue and there's a chance you're gonna lose that money. I would have been like, I'm happy with this money, like you said, feels like passive income. It feels free.

Jeff Dwoskin 21:22

Right? It's It's unfortunate, because like one of the bigger names probably don't miss that. It's just the point for them. You always

Joe Matarese 21:29

wonder is like, Does anyone not miss a certain amount of money? Do you think Louis Black doesn't miss 50 grand a month that he was getting?

Jeff Dwoskin 21:37

It depends. It depends on when she makes maybe, you know, I don't know. It's all relative, it all becomes relative. I remember standing next to a billionaire was thinking like, God, this guy's a billionaire. And I can't decide if I should buy an iPod, you know? Yeah, it's all right. Well, I hope that works out for you. I hope that works out for

Joe Matarese 21:56

that affecting my mood. It's been putting me in a depression to be honest. Wow,

Jeff Dwoskin 22:00

I'm gonna I'm gonna make some phone calls. You're gonna make some phone calls. We're gonna call it so let's talk about something else. So let's talk like we talked about America's Got Talent. Zagat

Joe Matarese 22:11

whatever you want to talk about whatever you want to dissect for my career. I just

Jeff Dwoskin 22:15

I'm more interested in like from America's Got Talent like what the what actually goes on behind the scenes you were one of those folks on America's Got Talent that you know, they did the backstory your kids were there, your wife was there. And it's like, I always wondered like, how much goes into like picking who who and what the stories they tell and and like how scripted even that dialogue that back and forth of you and Heidi Klum? Was that kind of thing? Because she's like, are you going to saying like no, I'm a standoff you are like they don't know they're about to Cst.

Joe Matarese 22:49

It's all scripted. To put that and we'll put this in perspective. And you'll probably agree with this. And no matter what you do, I'm gonna guess this is in any career. I don't know if it's just as a stand up comedian. Anything that either helps your career a lot, or makes you a lot of money in your career is followed by a lot of work. There's nothing that like will really help your career that was easy, right? Like say like, you do a one hour special. And it blows up. There is a lot of work into putting the one hour special together filming it, editing, editing it the preparation for it to get it as good as it was is a ton so like America's Got Talent could really help your career right. And even in those two episodes that I saw I was on as to and that first one is the one where they did the backstory on my family was such a pain in the ass. So much work so many hours spent, it wasn't like go it like it wasn't like I showed up that day. And it all happened that day, there was so much process to go into just that one episode where my kids run out on stage, I had to go there with there's a huge line sure my man manager at the time set it up. So I didn't have to wait in the line. But I had to perform for some woman in a room, just some woman in a room. And then she passed me on to now I have to go perform for the casting people which is like four or five more people and that's like four hours later. So like I'm sitting in this room for four hours filling out the contract for just the contract should have been sale how much of a pain in the ass this show is going to be to be on the calm now the I'm not lying. It's 100 pages long. You could never sue them for anything, which is a way of letting you know we can fuck you so bad on the show. And there's nothing you can do, which they pretty much did in the second episode of me they they edited it in such a way that never happened and added all the sound all the sound effects like my life was about to end and none of that happened. None of it. I knew there was so much bullshit in that show. It was so fixed that it was ridiculous. And if you're a stand up comedian for 20 years Think of every time you did a comedy contest when you were coming up as a comedian, were they have you ever been to a fair comedy comp contest? They're never fair, someone wins because they brought a lot of friends or someone wins because they know the judge personally, there's so much of that shit. It was unbelievable how much bullshit went on in that show on national television. So it's like they it was almost like they, they picked the person who was going to win before it even happens. The Con, the performing has nothing to do with anything. That's what it felt like.

Jeff Dwoskin 25:30

I was talking to a comedian who has on Last Comic Standing with Gary Gulman that that episode that season, she was telling the story, how they all had their goodbye, baskets. And everyone had it by Gary, but no winners had been announced. And then they kind of realized and then they Oh, when they kind of realized that they ended up picking a different winner. But I agree with you. It's like a lot of times it comes down to it's a show, right? I mean, like, while it looks like a competition. It's no different really than a scripted show. They're choosing you because you've hit a certain mold.

Joe Matarese 26:06

My version of what you just said with Gary Goldman was the second episode, they tell us we're going to have to perform for this crowd. And they were building this they were literally building the audience platforms where all the audience was going to sit. And we had to wait there for like 10 hours. I think we had to come back the next day and wait for 10 more hours. They even film some of these magicians, they would film them in groups like here's Let's film The 10 Magicians now we're gonna film the comedian's, right there was like, I don't know, eight of us. All of a sudden, we get an announcement. The guy gathers everybody together. He goes, We're not going to film in front of an audience. Now. We had technical problems, no audience. And then also, I noticed Hey, where's dan? nadelman. Dan Ackerman is a really funny comedian who I'm very good friends with. All of a sudden, he's not involved. And I realize and he tells me not, I'm already in the next round. I go this rounds, not even over. We didn't even perform it here in the next round, but we didn't even perform it. So that's when I went, Oh, shit. He's white. And he's around my age. They're not gonna have two white guys in their 40s. So and then I failed. And then I called them on it. But I think they edited around that a lot. I went because I've been doing this too long. You gave me a standing ovation. And were praising me like I was the next Eddie Murphy on national television. And now you're like this when I walk out? Make me laugh, and you're not laughing? I'm like, they're trying not to laugh. Like, why are they mad at me? I just walked out here what are they looking mad?

Jeff Dwoskin 27:37

Not only did they love you, they purposely did the cut back where you could hear their whispers where Howie Mandel and and Howard then we're all going oh my god, oh my god, you know, as like that first one with this in addition to this standing ovation, I mean, they.

Joe Matarese 27:51

And then also, which is such bullshit. I had been on The Howard Stern Show, he interviewed me on The Howard Stern Show, I used to tour with Artie Lange, from the Howard Stern Show. How's that not coming up? Where are you at? He's acting like he's never seen me before. either. You're that oblivious that you don't remember who you interviewed, which could happen, but I'm just like, and still given me the stink eye? I was like, it's almost depresses you because when you watch the good versions when it's going good, and you do hear that whisper like oh, he's funny. Oh, this is good. And you're going there? Just hold the say that like this is depressing. They don't even think the positive or the negative sucks. But you do.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:29

I had a friend I had a friend on America's Got Talent. A local guy that just got eaten alive. Painful. It was painful to watch when the lead man was on your episode. Yeah. And then clap, but there's a cutaway to her.

Joe Matarese 28:42

She was very cool. Like we hung out the whole time. That was she saved me. It felt like detention when you had detention in school. But 12 hours long each time you had to go in. You just sat there for 12 hours. Were you sitting here my wife and kids? My kids were little then if you watched you know that's a long time ago. Do you know how hard it was to keep a little kid occupied for 12 hours in a room? My daughter was like one

Jeff Dwoskin 29:06

and that's parents are the air for you right there.

Joe Matarese 29:09

But but the compensated they did have free Subway sandwiches there. It's like you can't even frickin give us good sandwiches. Subway. Come on. We're in New York hook us up the

Jeff Dwoskin 29:19

everyone gets a footlong Do you regret them doing it? Or do you feel like you got enough out of it that it was fine. Most people don't even remember that second one anyway,

Joe Matarese 29:31

they don't because the first one has a lot more views on YouTube. And still to this day. I mean, my social media person that I use, I mean, she uses that clip. She uses that clip for for promo all the time. It's a great clip. It's like heartwarming, like, there's a moment where I almost start to cry. Like that was real like and when my kids ran out on stage to have that like, I'll never have that ever again. It was pretty cool to have your kids that are that little running on stage in front Got a 2000 people standing up giving you a standing ovation is it was worth it just for that.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:05

It's a great clip. I mean, you crushed it that had to feel good in itself. Not that you haven't crushed it, I'm sure a million times, but I mean, it's a different I'm sure pressure pressure zone to go in front of them in front of all these people, you know you're on, you're going to be on TV, and then just kind of nailed it.

Joe Matarese 30:20

Well, to be honest, maybe I'm too hard on myself. I'm not really crushing it there. I mean, there's that's a different kind of laugh when you're on a talent show that when you're doing a comedy special, you're doing Letterman and the audience knows that comedians about to come out. It's It's not like I'm killing, but they all like me, and I get a standing ovation. But it's still like, the laugh is on a lower level than a normal comedy performance.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:43

Your vibe was right on. Yeah, my

Joe Matarese 30:45

vibe was good. Yeah, I

Jeff Dwoskin 30:47

mean, for executing for that type of competition. I'm saying you did great.

Joe Matarese 30:51

Well, that's what also sucked about. The second round is the material I picked that I was going to do for the second round was because we were going to have a crowd, if I would have known no audience, I would have picked different jokes, but that wouldn't have mattered I was going to lose anyway. It's funny that also that that joke that made me lose. It's a joke where I think I'm trying to remember I think, is the joke or his say, marry non American. Can I go? Yeah, I think this joke I did about you should marry or not marry non American. And I tell this quick story of my wife's Brazilian, my wife's cousin who married this Brazilian woman who's nine months pregnant, cooking and cleaning for everybody in this summer rental that we rented. And she's all muscular, like nine months pregnant, and I was like, What the fuck is this? I pulled her aside and I go, how are you? How are you doing this? You know, how are you pulling this off? She goes, Joel in Brazil, we are taught at an early age to be great wives. And I go like, Buck. I go, my wife taught me in an early age. I was taught it was shit. I'm fucking my own punch line. I can't even I was my wife was taught at an early age to teach her husband how to be a great wife. That's what it was. That joke somewhere I've posted it. It has like, I don't know, 2 million views or something. And it's just so funny that that joke has 2 million views in one place. And in another place that got me kicked off a reality show. Because that's a joke that in front of it. Only a comedian would know this. When you're doing comedy in front of four people and no audience. They got to be quick. It definitely can't fuck it up. Like I just told you that would that would make me lose.

Jeff Dwoskin 32:28

Like you said you were you prepped. There's a certain energy you get from the crowd, right? They feed you. When they remove that from you. Do they know the material you're gonna do know? Now they don't. They're hearing it for the first time.

Joe Matarese 32:40

They can edit. Like they have the greatest editors I've ever seen a maid. They zoomed in on my hands and made it look like I was nervous. Like it was unbelievable. And I was not. I was not nervous. Like I wasn't nervous. But I thought I'd get a little like, Hey, Joe, like when I walked out there? Oh, Hey, it's Joe. And you know, the guy we gave a standing ovation to and said he was mind blowing, or I mean, Howard Stern said some stuff that wasn't that didn't make the it's weird. There's two versions of it on YouTube. And there's one version where he says something like you were unbelievable. And like remark he goes on and on in this one version. That's the one I used in my demo tape. By the way.

Jeff Dwoskin 33:19

I'm sure they will even how he was like everything I like in a comic, though. It's like it's disheartening to hear that I remember. Was Dan nadelman. On Last Comic Standing also.

Joe Matarese 33:30

Yeah, he had that situation with where the judges quit because they were they voted for him. And then he still didn't make Yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 33:37

he's also funny. I agree with you on that earlier is so you're happy? I mean, for as an experience, you wouldn't change it. Or you would,

Joe Matarese 33:44

I guess like my friend Johnny, have a friend Johnny Lampard, who books me on a lot of gigs and he's always like, even if you do a shitty gig, it'd be like, when you're done, you got you got that money in your pocket, and you're driving home wasn't that bad, even though it was bad. So like, even though it was bad, and it was an insane amount of work? Many years later, you don't? It's like when women have a kid that's have a second kid. They forget how horrible it was to be pregnant for nine months. And then they do it again. If you told me Joe, go on, America's Got Talent again. I put up even though it sucked. I sit there and go shit, that will be a good backstory. I'm the guy that was on that time. And I did good. And now I'm back again. And I'm older and I'm an older dad, who what are they going to do? You know, like, you sit there and when you've been in this this long, it's like you almost go I'll try anything to escalate my career. As long as they're not going to frickin hurt me physically. That would just hurt me mentally and be a pain in the ass to sit there for a few days, but I could handle it.

Jeff Dwoskin 34:40

And so prior to this, you had a Comedy Central presents special you've had you have two specials on Amazon medicated and the posters wrong.

Joe Matarese 34:48

Yeah, they're on YouTube now too. I put them on YouTube after that, you know, I probably should have just put them on YouTube for free when they first came out like everybody's doing now and I have a third special. That's about have to come out and I have a feeling that's where it's going to end up on YouTube called mullets and mixtapes. I film that it's been three and a half months since I filmed it. So and it's still being edited,

Jeff Dwoskin 35:10

hopefully Napa AGT editors.

Joe Matarese 35:14

Wish it was those guys are unbelievable and editing. I can add some shit in and they'll add frickin applause breaks from Eddie Murphy's comedy special and you won't be able to tell. They're great. The beginning

Jeff Dwoskin 35:28

of the posters wrong is funny, because everything on the posters wrong. Was that inspired by a real thing?

Joe Matarese 35:35

Oh, yeah, that's every gig I ever get still to this day, I can't get I can't. Just now it was in a situation when a club I'm doing I'm like how many times do I have to ask you? And I'm not even being a jerk. Like I was doing this tour. This mullets and mixtapes thing, right? It's all about the 80s. It was a multimedia comedy special, a big screen behind me showing pictures of all this stuff from the 80s and doing stand up about it and growing up in the 80s versus raising my kids now. So now I'm coming to some of these clubs and they'll throw the promo up saying, Oh, get ready to reminisce from that for the 80s and they'll show like the old promo clip from mullets and mixtapes. And I'm like, I'm not doing it's like it's not only am I not doing it, if people saw that they're not coming again to see that again. Because it was a very specific thing. Like these clubs are moving fast, man, they make mistakes with the promo all the time. So it came from that and also the that rocky connection, which I lost the love for Rocky in the last few years, which is another story in itself. But at the time when I made that special. I love the Rocky movies. And that is a line from the first rocky where he goes yoga poses wrong. And I know you're young. I don't know if you know the moment. I'm not as young as

Jeff Dwoskin 36:50

you think I am. younger than me. We're within Little Brother Big Brother. Hey, do

Joe Matarese 36:55

you think you're like six years younger than less? You're not? Oh, you look my age up. You're three years young.

Jeff Dwoskin 37:01

You said your age? Oh, I

Joe Matarese 37:03

did? Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 37:04

Are you sad? You said the year you were born? Yes. That's true. I was born three years later.

Joe Matarese 37:10

Good math. Good math. So ask the question again.

Jeff Dwoskin 37:15

Oh, the poster is wrong.

Joe Matarese 37:16

Oh, that's what I was saying. The first Rocky, there's a there's a moment in that movie. And it's probably the reason why in that special. There was a bit as if he was a comedian in that same situation where the promoter is at the empty ring. Rocky Balboa sees the poster wrong above the ring. The promoter goes, What are you doing, Aaron and I do that impression in the special? He's got this live on air. What brings you out, it's like the fucking day before the fight. And he's in the ring, right? Just looking around and the Bullseye is wrong. Does it really matter? Rocky, I'm sure you'll give him a great show, which like on stage, I would say that's such a dick move. That was like a nice way of saying doesn't matter. I mean, you're gonna get your ass kicked on national television. I'm going to be a millionaire and you're gonna have brain damage. And it's very similar to comedians where like when we asked them to fix a poster, they're sitting there going, does it fucking matter? Dude, no one knows who the fuck you are. Just leave the poster alone, right? But in our head. We're like, this is all I got. Like, this is why I titled my tour a name. It's the only thing left I have that makes it more fun. And creative is the title of the tour.

Jeff Dwoskin 38:27

I think I think a comedian, all we have is our name really, right. I mean, the reason it made me laugh so hard is I got a call once is and they're like Jeff Mogwai. He's like, someone's stoled your photo, like what do you mean? He goes, I was at this club, and was your photo, but a different name? Someone else's name. And I'm like, oh, no, no, I'm playing that club. They got my it wasn't like they added like sometimes Dwoskin they'll be Dworkin or maybe like dua they'll spell it phonetically or something. But it's like, this was like, not even close. Not close to the My friend thought someone stole my photo. Which made me laugh when I saw that thing reminded me of that. So

Joe Matarese 39:09

yeah, but at the same time, I mean, I know for a fact that I'm very meticulous. And I'm obsessive compulsive which I've realized only in the last year, how bad my obsessive compulsive disorder is, but I'm not one of those germ guys like that germs don't bother me. I don't even care. Like I'm not masking when I'm going anywhere now like I'm just I'm not a germ OCD guy. But when there's a flaw in something, it drives me crazy if we don't fix it. If you look on my my story of my Instagram, my wife and I, my wife's mom had an old china closet that went in the corner was like a built in into the corner of a room and she had her whole kitchen redone so she gave it to us. So my wife had somebody sanded and painted and installed in the corner of our living room right and one leg is off the ground by an inch and one One legs touching the ground, right? And I'm like, It's driving me crazy. And it was expensive to have the guy do it. And she's like, it's fine. It doesn't bother me. And I'm like, walking does it bother me? All right, she's like, just let it go. And I'm sitting there, like, I'm trying to let it go. And it's like, why did that guy not? How does the guy who did the job? How does it not bother the guy who like if I do a job, like I tell people, when they hire me sometimes for like, privates I go, I treat it like, it's the Oscars. I'm like, I'm bringing my own lights. I'm gonna have the, you know, the best sound system I can have for your little stupid thing. Because I can't stand it. Like when I go to clubs sometimes, and you're just standing in the dark sometimes, you know, it's just like, I can't do comedy standing in the dark. It's just it makes it so much harder when I'm standing in the dark. How? Why do we have to do it this way? It doesn't cost more than 50 bucks to not do it this way.

Jeff Dwoskin 40:52

So I'm with you. 100% on that I know how I'm crazy though. I

Joe Matarese 40:56

make people annoyed me. I make people mad. Like I'm trying to edit my comedy special right now. I'm annoying the fuck out of my manager and the production company that's editing it, because we filmed two shows. Now to me when you film two shows, in the same night, with the same clothes, with makeup person touching you up. That means you're going to pick and choose from two shows and they're like, can you keep it minimal to just show one we don't want to pull from show to too much. And I'm like, You're killing me. Because there's a lot of show two that I like, and they're like, No, it doesn't blend well and and like, that's where I get crazy, because they're like, there's a guy wearing a white hat show two in the front row. I go crop them out. I don't give a shit. Crop the guy out or leave them in. I don't even give a shit if it doesn't match. I just want me to look good. It's like this just reminded me of that. I love that movie. Almost Famous. Right? You remember the guitar player is Billy Crudup and he says to the kid who's you know, Cameron Crowe. The kids supposed to be Cameron Crowe and he goes, just make me look cool. Can you just make me look cool? Like, that's all we fucking care about. Like, can I just looked good? Like, why am I not allowed to pick my fucking jokes the way I want to pick it like, and it's all because somebody else is paying for it like if I was paying for it, but unfortunately, I'm not. You have nothing. It's so annoying. And I connect so many of these. Like why I connected the posers wrong, like connected to a movie. I connect the comedy business to the great Ray Liotta Field of Dreams which your if you are my age have seen Field of Dreams.

Jeff Dwoskin 42:33

I love Field of Dreams we just had on VHS and in college, we'd be like if you play it, she will come.

Joe Matarese 42:41

Right, right. Well, the line that makes me think of the comedy business in that movie is where Ray Liotta Shoeless Joe Jackson goes, What's with these lights on the field? And he goes all, you know, owners decided they could make more money if they do night games, also any US owners, and he shakes his head, and I'm like, That's fucking shoguns owners. It's like they get in the fucking way every fucking time. And then that the worst is they think they know they're like you don't know you don't do anything. You're not creative. You don't know, maybe one guy in the history of this has been creative. And he probably didn't last long. You can't stay in business. If you're creative. You go out of business, because you made it to cool. Owners like to burn every bridge and one podcast.

Jeff Dwoskin 43:33

Just you didn't mention your name. So you just added mean you if it comes up? Sorry, but the owners need us to take a break. oners Am I right? And we're back with Joe batteries, we're gonna dive into his better half. So you mentioned your wife a couple of times. And while I was digging into that America's Got Talent stuff on their Wikipedia. One of the credits which I didn't find too many other places as a Bravo series you did with your wife called better half. And where you taught your wife to perform stand up comedy. This interested me because we were always we would always joke that comedians around Detroit, because our wives would always say girlfriends would always come and we're like, oh, we need that. And then they would mimic us because they'd watch us so many times. We're like, we should do a show where they just do our material

Joe Matarese 44:19

that would someone told me once there was a bunch of comedians that would do that as a party thing they would do once a year, they'd have a big party and the wives or girlfriends would have to do their husband or boyfriend Zach. And that would be really funny. And I was like, that would be hilarious to do for real. It'd be awesome. Here in New York. They do something where comedians will for Halloween will dress up as other comedians and do them for the shows, which is pretty funny, too. They all dress up like different comics.

Jeff Dwoskin 44:44

They all dress up as Seinfeld.

Joe Matarese 44:47

Yeah, they all do. And even Jim Breuer when he used to have a radio show on Sirius XM used to do a show called comedy covers, but most of the time you would do like an impression. It would be like he Here's Andrew Dice Clay if he was doing Steven rights material, you know, those would always get the biggest laughs

Jeff Dwoskin 45:07

they'll mash Apple, they'll mash up

Joe Matarese 45:08

a mash up. Yeah, that was my first reality show. And my first seeing how hard reality shows are to do those kinds of reality shows are really hard to do when because they come to your house and it's literally like they clip a mic on you and turn a camera on at eight o'clock AM and you're not done till 1130 at night. You're just being filmed that whole fucking day at some point you forget they're filming you and then you know those are the shit that that's the shit that ends up in the show. But the only plus on that one was is we beat the guy who we were going against and we want 20,000 bucks on that one whereas all the other ones didn't pay any money. America's Got Talent Last Comic Standing no money on those. You know what Last Comic Standing might have paid $500 There might have been like a union minimum because it was on NBC it might have I can't remember I did Last Comic Standing also,

Jeff Dwoskin 45:58

Which year did you do last comic?

Joe Matarese 46:00

I did it when Ralphie may one and rich Voss like mighty came in second. Oh, so

Jeff Dwoskin 46:04

real early.

Joe Matarese 46:05

I think it might have been the first one. That was,

Jeff Dwoskin 46:08

I think that was that was the first season I was working with Robert Kelly in Michigan and happen to go to New York like the week after we work together. So I went and saw him at the comedy cellar. He had me sit with him. But it was that table that was based on tough, tough crowd. But we weren't sitting at it because you had to be like a comedy cellar community. So I was sitting like on the edge. So Jim Norton was there and rich Voss and now. I'm like doing comedy for like a minute at the time, right? It was I emceed for Bob Kelly and like, so it was really cool. And so I'm sitting with these guys that I recognize Dan nadelman, I think might have been there too. Like stuff like that. And so, Robert Kelly goes, Oh, yeah, Jeff and I we work together at the Comedy castle. This past weekend. I think it was Jim Norton that said, Oh, my God, how did you get that gag? And I didn't it didn't even occur to me till later. Like how much he was talking with me. Oh, my God, too. Yeah. Like, I'm like, I remember the timing of it. Because I said to reg vos Oh, we didn't I you in the house. And he's like, like, I tell you guys that don't like asking him if he's that was right around that time. So it must have been at sorry, that just reminded me of it. So

Joe Matarese 47:18

no one is more brutal. Rich Voss was was the best at that young, like fucking what young comics, he'd always make you say a lot. And then he would just say, give me a cup of coffee and he'd walk away. Young comics were they didn't know if they were like, supposed to go get him the cup. He didn't No idea. Oh, God. Oh, yeah, those guys are brutal.

Jeff Dwoskin 47:39

Jim Norton shook my hand. And when he shook my hand, he he like limped his hand, on purpose on purpose. And, and that was so funny. And he goes, usually he goes, you're lucky. Usually, like, at first, I thought it was so funny, that for a decade, had like work environments and stuff like that. I would do that to other people. You go to shake their hand. And then you just say land because the look on people's faces is like amazing. And then you taught me Just kidding. But like, that was the other thing was I went to a Last Comic Standing audition, I think it was for the next season. It was a season where Jim Norton got in and then bailed, or because he got some kind of maybe TV deal that didn't anyway, and so but Jim Norton was there. And my friend Jay, Chris Newberg was there and he got to like the next round. So he was filling out that that was documents that you mentioned that were like, your, basically your life history that you have to sign off on, like, who is your person you roomed with in college and all that kind of stuff. It was like insane, insane stuff side. So 20 grand, so your wife, does your wife kind of hold that over your head a bit? I mean, because I like me, I did at one time I went 20 grand.

Joe Matarese 48:41

She so I made her do that show. What was pretty classic was we had to audition for that show. Because that show was it was rare that that was like a one off lots of shows that you do like that is a whole season, right. But that was just each episode where they would pick a career. And either the husband and the wife would have to teach the other one how to do their career. And then they would compete against another couple where they were someone was being taught on the other in the other couple also. So they did a comedy episode. And we would go to the audition, and we're arguing in the audition. Like that's like typical to me, my wife I get sometimes when we get in rooms, and like if I have to turn it on, like I turned it on a little bit, and we were arguing, but it's not fake. It's like we're really arguing. And we leave the audition and she's like, What the fuck is your problem? Why would you do that? Why would you start with me in there I go. We got it. We're gonna get that show. She's like, What are you talking about? I go, they don't want a couple that's all happy and in love. That's boring. I go we were exciting. That was hilarious. I go they're gonna love it. We're getting picked. And then we did we got it. And this was pretty classic as the other comment was already already Fuqua. I don't know if you know, he is he he was one of the comedians who was actually in the car accident when Tracy Morgan got hit. Okay, yeah, so he had some brain damage. I got a big lawsuit all that but back then he didn't have any money. He wasn't married to the girl he was with it was just his girlfriend, but she was a model and my wife, I don't know if it hurt her feelings, but my wife has a PhD. So it was kind of like the brain versus the beauty. You know, even though my wife's attractive, but this girl was like a professional model, right. And I knew for a fact that brains is a way better thing for comedy than beauty. Beautiful, people aren't funny. And rd comes up to me after like a few rounds of the show. And a few days of taping, he goes because the loser got five grand and the winner got 20 He goes, let's just make a deal outside of this show that we split it 5050 And we each get 12 Five, and we don't have to like stress. And I go that would have made sense if I didn't just see the big final round. He said it after the final round and my wife killed and his girlfriend was dirty and didn't do good. I'm like, Why is she dirty? Untouched? That's not gonna fly on NBC, or that was Bravo. It's not gonna fly on television. What did what is she doing? I go, I'm gonna I'm going for it all dude, I'm gonna take the risk as my wife did way better I go even though I know these contests are never fair. That was the only thing in my head. I'm like, they're never fair. And then that was the one time they were fucking fair. And we won the 20 Grand. Oh my god. And my like I said, my wife so didn't want to do it. And boy do they want they pretty much fuck up your house when they do those shows. You think they're being careful when they're bringing their gear in and out? They're scratching your floors? They don't fucking care. Oh my god.

Jeff Dwoskin 51:30

Did your wife everyone do stand up again?

Joe Matarese 51:32

No, my wife hates she doesn't even let me film her for social media. She's like, get the camera off me. I'm like, I've known for like years that if she would be involved in my career, because we're at a time where I say comedians can't be alone. Like there needs to be some sort of their life has to be shown the behind the scenes of them is important to them making it and my wife won't let me do any of the behind the scenes. I know you're killing it here because this is what I talk about on stage is you and this you being intelligent and me struggling to get out of high school the whole thing and like no one can really see it in in its form. I heard Seinfeld somewhere and I showed it to her Seinfeld said if you're related to a comedian, you're in the family business. Sorry. Like, we're going to talk about you on stage and you're involved just the way it works. But no, she hates it. She hates the comedy business too. Like she anything any time something has an almost it's going to be big. She just goes she doesn't get excited at all. She's just waiting for it to fall out because it always falls out. She's this business sucks. I don't even want to hear anything anymore. Just leave me out of it. Hates podcasting because she's like, I hate when you podcast because that's when that's when you always blurt out truth about your life because you don't have time to think I hate it. I just say that right now. I'm probably in trouble right now.

Jeff Dwoskin 52:54

She's listening. Well, speaking of podcasting, you've had like 1000 different podcasts. And you're you're really into the creative making all the difference. Joe met the Joe batteries, medicated podcast stand up lie down fixing Joe podcast, what's going on this week? Allow pretender to contender. So you got you got you got a lot going on. I mean, that these are all at all live at the same time. But

Joe Matarese 53:19

no, I don't have any I don't have one now. And I haven't had I'd be interested in know how long it's been since pretender to contender went off the year, June 2020. To 2022 is the last one June, I

Jeff Dwoskin 53:30

think, yeah. Okay. You had 66 episodes. I mean, I was you had a lot. I mean, that's at the deep end. I mean, that's why I

Joe Matarese 53:37

always say none of probably only there's only one or two that were really short, like stand up lie down was just one season, we did a season of him with a bunch of comedians. That was where I had a celebrity shrink interview comedians with me, and we pulled clips of their act that matched up with their neuroses. And that one was about to be pitched. And they were going to spend 10 grand on the pilot to shoot that idea. And then the celebrity doctor that I had, that I who was connected to the project had a lawsuit come up. He was being sued for patients for sexual harassment. And then they just said, we can't do the idea now. And we just use a different doctor. They were like, No, we're done. And they just bailed. I was like, okay, lost that one. That one was a pretty good idea, but wasn't fun. If I ever do a podcast again, it won't be you know, I've always had these locked in specific ideas, like fixing Joe. That was where I talk about my problems. And I had audience like, listeners leave messages because I couldn't do live phone calls where they would give me advice on whatever my problems were. I did that one for six straight years. And that was probably the most successful podcast I ever had. That was my first one. That was a web series. Also. It was a web series. Someone funded that web series so I made some money there. And then it's sold as another TV show another time to a different production company, but that never got made. That's probably the reason why I think of these concept ideas. Because I used to really enjoy pitching TV shows, and I had some success in it. But it's ultimately if you don't have a following nobody's buying your shows anymore back then you could sell an idea. Nobody's buying an idea anymore. You better have a million Instagram followers or they're not interested. Next podcast will just be the Joe Matarese show and I'll just

Jeff Dwoskin 55:25

talk just do your thing. Just your your Joe Matarese. Do

Joe Matarese 55:27

you always just talk to one comment? Or is there just anybody you interview?

Jeff Dwoskin 55:31

I'll take anyone. No, I'm just kidding. They just stand ups. No. And I talked to I talked to standups because that's about it interesting to me because of doing stand up as long as I did. But then I also I talked to a lot of like TV, film actors and a lot of them from you might be too young to know some of these people.

Joe Matarese 55:53

Who's your biggest old school that I know Ed Asner? Ed Asner? Yeah a friend of mine had him on his didn't he passed away recently passed

Jeff Dwoskin 56:01

away. I had Judy Tenuda, Oh, Judy tenuda is a comedian I had to pass away to Yeah, Ronny Cox running you know, running Ronny Cox is like the greatest actor that nobody knows by name, but if I showed you his face, he was the bad guy. And it's Arnie Schwarzenegger when he goes to Mars. He was also in Robocop. Bad Guy and Robocop.

Joe Matarese 56:22

Oh, yeah, that guy. Yeah, he looks like a robot.

Jeff Dwoskin 56:25

Yeah, Ed Begley Jr. Oh, Sharon gless Cagney and Lacey. A lot of folks Oh, Isaac go for and Doc about all of them at the same time at the same time. That would have been amazing, Ralph malph and Potsie and Mrs. Cunningham so

Joe Matarese 56:40

out of out of the old school actors who gets the most downloads on a podcast. That's a great one. Now, I'm interviewing you,

Jeff Dwoskin 56:47

you're interviewing me, um, you know, I'd have to check but I guess you know, who gets the most I can I could be like going talking to somebody and there'd be like, who's been on your podcast and like, oh, Angela Cartwright, you know, Penny from lost in space and Ed Asner and Sharon gless, and this and this and this and they're just looking at me kind of blown glass. And I go, Carol Baskin. You interviewed Carol Baskin. Dude, I'm like, Yeah, I interviewed Carol Baskin. I can see where that she's a wonderful woman. But I can see where that would be more impressive than say Ed Asner. I don't even know who Carol Tiger King Tiger king.

Joe Matarese 57:22

Oh, I hated Tiger. I didn't even watch that whole thing.

Jeff Dwoskin 57:25

She's that woman. Big Cat. Yeah, the woman the one you know you you would know that everyone thinks killed her husband. Stuff like that. It was a big thing. So

Joe Matarese 57:35

Ralph malph Donnie most?

Jeff Dwoskin 57:37

Yeah, he was he was good at it. Because I got him to say even on the Jeff Dwoskin show. I still got it.

Joe Matarese 57:43

Did you have Robert Romanos on now he'll he did my old pocket as you just asked him he'll do it. You got to have Demone on guys classic. He let me come to his house and interview him in his living room. All right. I love when like guys are really open like that. He's like, Yeah, come on over. You can interview me here. I interviewed him in his kitchen.

Jeff Dwoskin 58:02

That's awesome. Yeah, that is really cool. Well, Joe, thank you so much for hanging with me. This was fun. It was good to get to know you. Where can people keep up with you on the social medias?

Joe Matarese 58:11

Follow me anywhere at the Joe batteries. That's that's pretty much all of them. Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok. They're all the Joe matarese. And my website's Joematarese.com.

Jeff Dwoskin 58:22

Put all the links in the show notes so people can follow you and get as much Joe Matarese as possible in their lives.

Joe Matarese 58:29

Thanks for having me on, Jeff. All right,

Jeff Dwoskin 58:31

everyone. How fun was Joe Matarese!, so many great stories, insights. Thank you, Joe, for sharing so much with us. Well, with the interview over it can only mean one thing I know the episode is over. How do they come and go. So quick? Huge. Thank you to Joe Matarese. One more time for hanging with me. And a huge thank you to all of you for coming back week after week. It means the world to me, and I'll see you next time.

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