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Jeff Dwoskin 0:30

We desire Jeff Dwoskin, your host of classic conversations and your guide through this bonus episode of crossing the streams. What's crossing the streams is where we answer the universal question. What should I binge watch next? I just watched something and now I got to watch something else. Well, you've come to the right place. We have over 120 hours of streaming binge watching suggestions on our YouTube channel. You've come to the right place because today right now this bonus episode, we have three segments from three of those live shows from Live episode 6184 and 88. are bringing Yeah, some goodness Sandman Rings of Power and CNN the story of late nights crisis industries, myself, my co hosts guess just sharing with you what we think you should binge. Next, we're going to kick things off with Rings of Power. And Ron Libet. From Live episode 88. Take it away, Ron, I'm excited to hear about this.

Ron Lippitt 1:34

What could it be?

Jeff Dwoskin 1:35

What could it be, we are going to now go into lord of the rings around

Ron Lippitt 1:41

things. So for those of us that are nerds, I just have to say these are high days right now between house of the dragon and Lord of the Rings brings the power right this is you know, I have high expectations for both the series and for them to happen now at the exact same time with so much riding on it for each of the networks. It's just an amazing time for right for us nerds right now, Zack, I'm counting on you to be able to comment on this. I know watch this, Michael. I'm hoping given what I'm sensing is a little bit of nerdom. Now that you've watched Yes,

Speaker 4 2:13

I haven't I haven't watched any of it yet. I heard you guys do you guys were talking about House of the Dragon earlier. Yeah. And I watched the first episode of that and was falling asleep. So I hope it's better than that. Well,

Ron Lippitt 2:27

it's really funny. You should say that. And thank you for that insight because I have to tell you, we are three episodes into rings power four episodes into as the dragon. I am underwhelmed at this moment from House of the dragon. And I am thrilled so far with Rings of Power, despite some of the criticism it's getting for diversity and some of the other things that we're talking about for Rings of Power. i No one is a bigger Tolkien fan than me. I grew up on Tolkien absolutely adore Hobbit and Lord of the Rings of the original. The original books, I loved the original Peter Jackson, Lord of the Rings, movies didn't love the Hobbit.

Speaker 4 3:06

Movies. Well, then I'm I'm going to take your advice because the Hobbit is one of my favorite books ever. And to turn it into three movies, what were they thinking?

Zack Wiseman 3:16

So I can tell you an hour on what they were thinking. So

Ron Lippitt 3:18

let's out money. This is this is what it comes down to, you know, in 2017 Amazon paid $250 million for rights to the Lord of the Rings. Here's what's interesting about that they knew in 2017 they were gonna throw a bunch of money at this but what they didn't have and Zach I'm betting you know, this, that when the Tolkien estate went down, and they sold off pieces of that estate piecemeal, and Amazon was able to get their hands on Lord of the Rings, what they could not get their hands on was the I've always below the same simmer Raelian Yep. And that is the prequel material that they would have loved to have been able to build this off of, in fact, what Rings of Power is built off of is essentially the notes that were not used in the original telling of the Lord of the Rings right so so you get some of the backstory you get some of the specifics around some of the main characters collateral and and some of the cities that are featured in Lord of the Rings, you don't get the full nerd out story that you would have gotten had they gotten their their hands on the original source material. On a side note, I think it's really interesting that the Tolkien estate was not sold as a single state you know, it's like they broke it into pieces and never the twain shall meet. And that's okay I think that worked out but as it is Amazon got got this thing Lord of the Rings in 2017 $250 million with the explicit expectation of a five year series run for the rings the power Lord of the Rings, the retelling about how the Rings of Power were made and the backstory to that that being said I will just say this, it is a beautifully done show. The CG I is exquisite. The casting is fantastic. The production values are wonderful. I think the acting is excellent. Yes, it does the thing that a lot of a lot of these deep, long run shows are doing where they are taking time to build the storylines. There are multiple storylines happening right here, one in particular that I'm starting to get bored with it, they better do something with it soon. But overall, I am thrilled to see the care that is going into this series, I have absolute confidence, this is going to lead to Amazon finally being able to check the box for something they've never had up till now. And that is a foundational franchise in sci fi fantasy. Remember, every other network has it. Netflix has Stranger Things, right? Disney has the, you know, the Marvel franchise, Amazon never had anything, it never had anything to really bank on. So I think they finally got got their franchise here. And they if you guys watch this thing, it is clear from the jump, they are pumping money into this thing. And I think they're doing a really great job in comparison as to the dragon. I mean, not that these two franchises are necessarily in competition. I though they are I think from a network standpoint, in my mind rings powers kicking the crap out of house of the Dragon right now. So I just you know, I don't want to go too far into it. We're only three episodes into it. Right? You know, and we're, we're talking about, you know, 1012 episodes per season five seasons. So we're just at the very beginning, Jeff. So I'm going to reserve the right to circle back around when we're further into the series, especially since this is about to change up again. That's another thing that some of these new modern series now they change up but casts and scripts after a predetermined period of time. So the dragon is right about to do that. I think we're one or two episodes away from the second cast. Right, Zach, is that right? Yeah. So race power does the same thing. So I am just thrilled with, with what we're seeing right now. And I am nerding out every Sunday now for House of the dragon, even though I'm disappointed up to this point. And every Thursday now for rings power, which Thursday into Friday. Now I think it's Friday at midnight, where these things, these things come out. So I'm going to pause there. I don't want to go too deep into the story because I think we're only at the very beginning. But suffice it to say we are trying to find out how did Soran the terrible get created? How did the rings get doled out to the various races of people? How did the One Ring to rule them out? rythmol rule them are take effect all that wonderful stuff. So let me let me pause here because I feel like you guys are just as smart as I am when it comes to this series. So I want to hear what you have to say.

Jeff Dwoskin 7:35

I think a lot of people have problem with this show because elves and hobbits and other made up things should be white.

Zack Wiseman 7:43

Yeah. I mean, that's why I came on here just to make sure that point was made. If it's if it's a fictional creature, if it's a fictional character, or it's in your imagination, you better whitewashed I think, pretty quickly, or else, the internet's gonna hate you. But no, Ron, honestly, like, I think you said it perfectly. I'm watching both shows. I'm a super nerd I, I consume all content. There's something about House of dragons that I find just boring. And like, it's like, I don't I don't really care. I almost know where it's going to go. It's like, I just missed the first three episodes of Game of Thrones. And I'm just watching it again. Because I know where it's going. And I don't really care. Oh, there's a couple of things. It's worthwhile. Damon is keeping me interested. Yeah, I thought that crab feeder was going to hang out for a bit. But that was cool, too. But there's something that is a little unique about the Lord of the Rings show where it is nerdy, but it doesn't seem pointless, because you're in age one, whereas Lord of the Rings is the Third Age. You're so far away from any characters that you know that the things that you do know are just so cool deep dives, like when you get close to ministereth. And you're like, hey, that's from the fireplace, but it's not overgrown and filthy. And then you get to like, the other mines of Mordor and stuff in your mind's eye. And it's like, wow, this is what I saw. But nerds would know that so they're doing a really good job of telling a story that I actually want to know Game of Thrones. I don't care. But the Lord of the Rings, I want to know why those rings are made. That was so interesting. And the thing about little the rings like what Michael says it just plopped through this world. Hey, there's, there's rings here. You got to figure all this out. figure it all out. Yeah, we're not dumbing it down. And this shows doing the same thing. It's like, you know that they're going to make these rings, you know, songs coming. You just heard it. sigil his name was dropped last episode. So that's,

Ron Lippitt 9:25

that's a connection to the original. Alright, now

Zack Wiseman 9:28

I'm starting to understand what I'm about to say. I need to see how it goes. So yeah, I'm 100% interested, I think the casting is great. Everyone's doing such a great job to see these hobbits as like nomadic things instead of, you know, putting a hole in the ground. They have like the grass in their hair, they just kind of pop down and they move constantly and seeing the evolution of elves seeing those old school orcs and they're like white and they can't go out in the sun. Like everything about it is so cool, because it's so far away that it doesn't feel like I'm watching the same thing again. Yeah, yeah,

Ron Lippitt 9:57

you know, and I totally agree with what you You said like, I've read Lord of the Rings, I don't even know how many times I bet you I've read it entirely cover to cover all through all three books, including The Hobbit at least a half a dozen times. And every time I, you're always wondering how it came to pass where Sauron came from, how the original rings were forged, how the One Ring was created, how did they feel all these races and take dominion over them? Like, those questions aren't answered in the ring. So I'm just as just a pure, nerdy geek from my childhood. I'm so thrilled to have some of these answers. Finally, you know, because like, you know, God,

Zack Wiseman 10:36

I'm such a fan of a very intelligent storytelling. And when you watch the the rings and Fellowship of the Ring, when you have all those, all those, you know, creatures, those beings together, you immediately tell that there's rift between the dwarves and elves. You'll know why, you know that elves things are better than everybody else, you'll know why, you know, this man's hiding from everybody else. You don't know why, you know, people are looking down these habits. You don't really know why, but you just have to follow along. So now it's just kind of given you piece by piece in an intelligent way. And I think that's dramatic and intelligent storytelling instead of just people want to see Targaryen and dragons, like something on fire this morning. I don't care.

Ron Lippitt 11:09

Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. And you know, and I listen, I do have high hopes for House of the dragon. I do think it will arrive. I think that you know, there it listen. It's HBO, I read somewhere that more than half of HBOs entire intellectual capital is put in right now into into the house of the Dragon into a house of Dragon right now. So yeah, so I mean, it's they're banking on the success and I have I have nothing to, you know, to think that they're not going to succeed. I think they will with us. Yes.

Zack Wiseman 11:38

Except for me as a viewer of Game of Thrones and being kind of let down by the end of it, because it left kind of a sour taste in the mouth. It's like you need to impress me to get me to come back. Now you're just saying that you're 100 years earlier, you're doing multiple time jumps. I know where this story is ending once Lannisters take over. I don't want to watch it anymore. I don't need to see incest and filthy white people with a blonde hair taken over. I don't want any of that. You know, I mean, so like where it is now. I'm interested in it. But it's like, I know where you're going. I've been to that door before so

Ron Lippitt 12:07

and you know exactly. Here's something funny that there's already been we're only four episodes in there's already been multiple CGI gaffes on the dragon. I don't know if you've if you're following this. Oh, yeah. The fingers and there was an issue with with the the elk that he killed or whatever it was. I mean, it's Lord of the Rings as far as I can tell. It's just beautiful. It's flawless. The color is gorgeous.

Zack Wiseman 12:34

And feels original and doesn't feel like a rip off. That's cool.

Ron Lippitt 12:37

Totally. And everybody who's watching now. I feel like they get the same just reaction of just a beautifully done it is yeah,

Zack Wiseman 12:45

it is patient. I'll say that it is okay as a patient show. But if you're into that it is the best done that it can be

Jeff Dwoskin 12:52

a good I'm not into prequels. It sounds like for Lord of the Rings there were questions to be asked. I think all the Star Wars prequels none of them need to be made the only one that was worth anything to me, I thought was Rogue One because it told an original story.

Zack Wiseman 13:06

Well the Star Wars those were answering questions no one cared about like, right. Got guns and who got shirts and who got chips right?

Jeff Dwoskin 13:17

prequels are is Yeah, I think and so. And I agree with you with House of the dragon. It feels like I'm just watching the same story again. I'm enjoying it maybe a little bit more than than you guys but I also don't I'm not

Ron Lippitt 13:28

comparing it to love incest, especially between families. What's your Twitter?

Jeff Dwoskin 13:34

Zach

All right from Live episode 88. That was rings a power little house a dragon thrown in there as well. Ron Libet leading the charge Zach Wiseman, bringing his POV Zack was also on Live episode 84 talking about the Sandman take it away Zack, people have been writing in they've been waiting for this. So let's get to the Sandman.

Zack Wiseman 14:08

Man. So you know I consume so much media, I watch so much stuff all day every day. And you get to the point where it's like everything's just kind of garbage except for some things like the one that Sal brought and obviously pray until I heard that the Sandman was coming. And it's been out for I think maybe two weeks now. I've watched it fully twice. And if you don't know for whatever reason, the Sandman is based on a comic series that came out for DC Comics back in 1989. And ran all the way to 1996, which is the exact same time I was in high school, all six years of my high school, how long the Sandman ran, and I was I consumed the crap out of this comic. I loved everything about it. Now, when this came out on Netflix, obviously it's a TV show, so they got to change up some stuff a little bit. But basically what the premise of the show is, it's when the Sandman who whose name is dream. He's a cosmic being who controls all dreams. And he's captured and held prisoner for more than a century. And they must journey across different worlds and timelines to fix the chaos, his absence is cause. So pretty much in episode one, it just starts with this person who is trying to capture a demon, because he wants his wife to come back to life, he captures the wrong person, he captures the king of dreams, which is this guy named dream. So dream just sits in this case for like 100 years until he finally gets out and whatever, whatever, then you solely understand what the story is going to be, which is all about different realms. And I think the great thing about this is that it really puts a cool contextualization on concepts like dream and despair and death. And all of these people are all they have human embodiments in the show, so they're all siblings dream who's played by Tom ster, Sturridge great cool golf character comic the crow a little bit, but his you know, his siblings are death, despair, every D name that has just a concept. And pretty much every episode, he's trying to get his stuff back. Three things were stolen from him that are magic capacity that makes him the king of dreams. So pretty much he's going through different worlds finding all of his stuff to become the king of dreams again, but also starting to understand what it is to be human. Great casting in this you have David Thewlis you know, phenomenal actor from like the Harry Potter series. among a lot of our things. You also have Lily traverse, you have Patton Oswald, you even have Bran of Tarth in this thing as Lucifer, the thing that stands out about this, to me was that, you know, when I was in high school, and in Maryland, very ignorant part of the world, this was the first comic that hit me that was teaching people about what it is to be non binary, what it is to be, you know, gay or bisexual. And that stuff didn't matter in this, it was like, Hey, what is love? What is humanity. And if you watch this, I strongly suggest watching this series. But when you get to episode five or six, there's one episode where it goes over death. And it was probably the most beautiful thing. And it's the first time in a long time, I stopped an episode and just rewatched an episode again. Because as dream is talking to his sister death, they're going around and explaining what death is, and how people view you know life as a gift. But they forgot the death is also a gift. And it's kind of like reexamining what it is like to actually die and how that is important to what your life means. And then having somebody so beautiful and caring walking you through the last most important part of your life. It was just so touching. And it gave me goosebumps and I had to rewatch it. And the series is so beautiful. And it's not as good as the comic, obviously. But Neil Gaiman is still involved in it. And he's making sure that is as good as it can be. 10 episodes pretty tight, but not surprises are shows based on complex absolutes. Yeah, it's so it's so beautiful and and having the idea of like, you don't need genders, you don't need any this weird stuff. It's just it's feelings, and it's what it is to be human. One episode goes over what if no one could lie anymore. And it was just these people living their life telling the truth to each other through relationships, the idea of like, I just heard myself back into headphones. It's crazy. Anyway, yeah, please check out the same man. Absolutely. Beautiful show. Well, sounds great. Yeah, really, really cool. And as far as like comic book, movies or shows, it's done in the right way where it really tries to understand what the comic was trying to tell you. Instead of just being like actors are capes and they're just fighting people and buildings crashed. I was really clever and beautiful and sad. Awesome. did.

Jeff Dwoskin 18:30

Thank you. Check that out. All right, Zach Wiseman and the Sandman. Our last segment comes to us from Live episode 61. This is myself leading the charge the documentary, CNN story of late night with a little bit of the late shift thrown in there the movie directed by Betty Thomas, they covered the same information. So I put them together, take it away me. This is the story of late night, and I'm going to kind of just tag on the late shift which covers the exact same material. The difference being the story of late night is a documentary, and the late shift is an actual movie. First, I'm going to talk about the history of late night I think this is on HBO Max. I think I got to it like Ron Lepik gets to most of his an algorithm or something just popped up that kind of shocked because I can't imagine that I went looking for this but you know, late night it's it's a fascinating thing. We all get caught up in you know, the lower end of Johnny Carson but you know, the most of us lived through the Leno. Letterman wars and you know, all that kind of stuff. So the history of late night is six episodes. I will say it's an extremely enjoyable documentary. If you love documentaries, especially if you have an affinity towards any of them calling it Trevor Noah Jon Stewart, Jimmy Kimmel, Arsenio Hall. And of course, you know, Johnny Carson, Jack Paar and Steve Allen. So it kind of takes you through it. I think like a lot of documentaries, I'll just forewarn where there's multiple, multiple episodes, the history is richer in the past than it is as you near right. There's not as much now that you know that. So it's sort of thins out a bit just become sort of just this is what happened. This is what happened. This is what happened, where the where the earlier episodes feel like you're watching a lot, a lot of history. So it starts with the inventing late night, and it talks about Steve Allen and Jack Paar, who, between the two of them basically invented everything that we know today to be late night.

Chris 20:48

Realize that was the predecessor to Johnny.

Jeff Dwoskin 20:51

Right, right, right. Yeah, both of them. They they paved the way even all the bits a lot of the bits that Letterman later did all those man on the street things, all of this almost everything originated with Steve Allen and Jack Paar. Yeah, back wow. So then you get into Episode Two, which is when a sort of transitions to Carson in talks about how he became the rain as of late nights. And one of the things that was interesting about this episode, and I'm not gonna give every every every detail because you should watch it. And but one thing of note, which was interesting, Johnny Carson is responsible for the birth of Saturday Night Live, because he wanted the day off. And so they were doing best of Carson's on Saturdays. But then we see that Monday, they left an opening up on Saturday, but Johnny Carson never liked.

Chris 21:44

He never, he never really actually had any of their mainstay cast on the couch until Eddie Murphy. He didn't have Dan Ackroyd on, he only had George Carlin come out from the curtain. He didn't have anybody sit on the couch until Eddie Murphy is it because he didn't like the idea because they replaced his time slot even though he didn't want to record on Saturday. And that's a really weird thing because there were so many comedians that were fed into that because of the whole Sunset Strip and the Comedy Store how many star right and you know, with Pauly shores mom and and everything else that was going on then Johnny didn't even have polygon, and he did not give any credence to the Comedy Store. Even though he brought a bunch of comedians in that's how Kinison got his first start on there. And that's actually how David Letterman got his first show on primetime TV was coming from the Comedy Store to be on on the couch with Johnny, but he would not let anybody Dan Ackroyd any of those. He wouldn't let he wouldn't let them on the couch until Eddie Murphy because he ate up so much camera time.

Jeff Dwoskin 22:53

Yeah, Johnny was very territorial, territorial and goofy.

Howard Rosner 23:00

And yeah, there was a quick aside, speaking of the Comedy Store, Mike binder, Who Created and directed the Comedy Store is the guest on this week's episode of The Jedi

Jeff Dwoskin 23:10

from Detroit, the Jeff Dwoskin. Show.

Chris 23:13

Outstanding, Jeff, good job. And that's cool. Let's plug this plug hard. Yeah, that's KickAss.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:19

Thank you. Thank you. It was fun talking to him. By that. I mean, I get through this. And then we can talk all about me.

Chris 23:24

There's so much history involved in these two shows, right? That people can look it up or if you've been like a major comedy historian, you know, going all the way back to Carlin or Chevy Chase. Like he didn't even let Chevy Chase come on the couch whenever he was on Saturday Night Live.

Ron Lippitt 23:42

So Jeff, I have a question about Craig Ferguson, because he never gets mentioned. He never gets any love. And I think he had such a radical following that guy. Is he just not part is he not considered the equal of some of the people you're talking about?

Jeff Dwoskin 23:55

If he's in this documentary, it's that wasn't enough that I wrote it down.

Chris 24:01

isn't actually true that he's less of a writer than he is a reader of the writing. Like he's not a writer, really? Johnny Carson. No Ferguson. Like that's why I be left out of all this.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:15

I know Johnny had major major writers too, because I when I interviewed our gene and Mike Reese from The Simpsons start was on Letterman. Yeah. I'd like to read Johnny Carson. I mean, and so you know, they had he had like, tons and tons of writers but you're right, Chris, because in episode three, they talk about the rise of Letterman and Letterman got his start because Carson, love are

Chris 24:40

so loved and yeah, he thought it was awesome. He came out with a violin dude the weather report and doing all kinds of silly shit and Carson thought it was awesome. Same thing with Kinison.

Ron Lippitt 24:50

Same thing with Steve Martin. Yeah, yeah. Steve Martin and I mean, did you see his great fly? deenis ever you ever seen this? It's ridiculous.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:58

Arson is kind Hi, sis, boom, bah. Yeah, doing a shout out a sheet makes when it exploded.

Chris 25:07

The weird thing about Steve Martin appearing on Johnny Carson is that was almost at the time, whenever he was seat Martin started stopped doing stand up, because he could come out to the crowd, and the props would fail, like the banjo coming down to him, and the audience will still laugh at the jokes that he wasn't even telling. And he was like, Oh, this has gotten out of hand. I'm not the actor anymore. Johnny gave Steve Martin that that shot. And then he went on Saturday Night Live and all this shit with Blue Shield and Ackroyd and all that stuff. But one of the things that most people don't actually realize is Steve Martin stopped doing comedy, because people will plot it to his jokes before he told him

Jeff Dwoskin 25:50

right that's, that is very true. Hi, let's finish up here. And then it covers the history of late night covers a lot of the whole Joan Rivers fiasco were Joan was the guest on Carson. She was the go to, but she was never going to gonna get it and she ended up taking a deal with Fox and it was a horrible demise. Matter of fact, she was blackballed from the night show until Jimmy Fallon had her on. Even Jay Leno never had her on. So there was a whole thing you can Google that it's it's an emotional return for her. And then it just talks about him becoming number one and how Halon Jay Leno's manager helped kind of move Carson out of the way. And then Carson kind of you know, it was gone. And then the whole fight between Letterman and Leno just take over late night, but Letterman actually never had a shot at it, because the reality of it is Leno had it in his contract, too, that he was going to take over. So he totally got screwed there. Then you got episode four, where when I was struggling and Letterman is, is kind of kicking his ass up until the famous Hugh Grant episode on Leno where he interviewed Hugh Grant after Hugh Grant got a BJ prostitute and a god this is why we use dating Elizabeth Hurley so I don't know. You know, just it goes to show you that shame. It's fame can be confusing. And it talks about how cable news and Bill Maher and the rise of The Daily Show with Craig

Ron Lippitt 27:22

Letterman's Letterman's don't blame Conan monologue about when When. When Jay Leno said we don't blame Conan, that it wasn't his fault for the whole, you know, the whole scandal. I mean, Letterman just went on and on with that thing and just blasted Leno on that. That's such great, that's Amory YouTube clip

Jeff Dwoskin 27:43

to do. And they were buddies from the Comedy Store. Well, Lando actually was had been kicked out of the Tonight Show. He hadn't been asked back. It was actually Letterman that revived Leno's career. I having him on the David Letterman Show and letting him really shine. And then he, you know, it talks a lot about you know, Helen Kushner, Jay Leno's eat a vicious manager that got him everything that he ended up getting. But then it talks about the rise of Conan and Jimmy Kimmel coming in. The one thing that's interesting about like a camel and stuff like that, when they cover that and even Steve called bear is that when we think of them now, that isn't at all, how they started, when they got on to their shows, it took a long time for all of them to find their voices kind of takes you through that takes you through Arsenio Hall coming out of nowhere, and kind of really just dominating. And then talks about Conan O'Brien takes you through everything and then you know, through 911 and how they all handle that. And Trevor Noah, James Corbett and Jimmy Fallon taking over it's really good. It's six episodes in about 45 minutes each on HBO Max. The late shift is a movie this is also on HBO Max. They're very specifically directed by Betty Thomas. That very specifically talks about Letterman Carson retiring and Letterman and Leno's fight to become the next king of the of the tonight show. It's got Kathy Bates and she's John Michael Higgins and Kathy Bates is unbelievable cat John. Michael Higgins is in all the all the Christopher Guest movies. Daniel Robach was Jay Leno. It's worth it just to watch Rachel, it'll be Johnny Carson. And really, it's, it's great. And after watching the documentary and then watching the movie, it's spot on. I mean, I'm not saying it was good to watch both, but the movie was very accurate to the documentary in terms of what happened in the flow. It obviously adds much more because it's 90 minutes on just the one to one topic. It's totally worth it. I thought the acting was really good. I liked the guy who played ladder man. I liked the guy that played by now. Like Howard said, Kathy Bates was amazing, great, but if you're really interested in all that, and I don't know why I was interested, I may have I've always been interested in it just it's just a fascinating thing, just some of the underbelly of the things that happen and go on. And so I recommend kind of that too for all right, CNN the story of late night and the late shift the story of the Jay Leno David Letterman wore for late night television. Check those out, check out rings a power check out the Sandman, you got a lot a lot of homework lying in front of ya. I don't envy you know, I getting I do so go do it. Hop on the couch, find your cozy spot, grab your remote cross your own streams, and I'll see you next time.

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