#247 Crossing The Streams Under A Night Sky (Bonus Ep66) – Great TV binge watching suggestions!

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Oh, it is I Jeff Dwoskin, your host of classic conversations and your guide through this bonus episode of crossing the streams. What is crossing the streams? Glad Jas. It's where we answer the universal question. What should I binge next? You just finish something. And now you got to watch something else. Well, you've come to the right place. We got your back. We are live every Wednesday at 9:30pm. Eastern time bringing you new binge watching suggestions. We have over 115 hours of binge watching suggestions on our YouTube channel. Check those out. But right now this bonus episode is three segments from those many, many, many Live episodes from Live episode 7798 and 102. We have Wednesday night sky and made off the monster of Wall Street. Three great suggestions that you're going to hear us talking about. We're going to start with night sky from Live episode 77. Bob Phillips is taking us through this one. Take it away, Bob. And we're gonna do night sky. Okay, let's hear all about night sky.

Bob Phillips 1:38

Well, I want to say that I love this series started in May. It's on Amazon. And I think the if I if I had one word to use to describe it, it would be hypnotic. And it's, it's sort of, I think, undocked from the poster. Yeah. And that and the poster kind of. I'm on episode seven of eight now. And so that particular shot, it hasn't come into play. And I don't know if it does, but there is a spacey kind of alien II thing going on. But it's more about what's going on with this couple JK Simmons and Sissy Spacek who is just what she should win every award. There is for this role. There are a couple of mid 70s, maybe late 70s. Living in Illinois, they have a son who committed suicide about 20 years previous so that all that up comes out very quickly. There's nothing I'm going to tell you as a spoiler. I'm just going to give you a little bit of the setup. And they live on a it's not a farm per se, but it's a lot of land and they have a barn and in Montana. Where no it's in Illinois, actually.

Jess Paul 2:50

Oh, you said Illinois. That's right. It is yeah,

Bob Phillips 2:52

it's it, there's just this odd secret that sort of unfolds, which is this, they can teleport to another planet by going down into this tunnel that they discovered in underneath their barn. And they get in this thing that is sort of like it feels a little bit like an elevator but it doesn't move. It's you know, it could be a wormhole. It could be whatever it is, but it takes them to this this planet that is uninhabited, and very dark and strange. And there are lots of other very close planets in the night sky. And they just for I don't know how many years 20 years sit and watch out this this window on the this planet. And that's the beginning of some very strange goings on there is that while this is going on, there is a concurrent story happening in Argentina, a woman and her daughter has rebellious teenager who is sick of living on this remote plot of land out in the desert where there is a church and she's not allowed to go in this place ever. And then you find you find out over time that there is something similar to that thing that resides under the older couples barn in this church. And there are a couple of several that exist apparently around the world. But these two stories do intersect as you might expect. And there's a lot of a lot of exposition, which which kind of takes you a while the first episode or two and then things start taking off when a mysterious visitor arrives while Sissy Spacek is in the she's sitting watching the You know on this other planet and all of a sudden there's a young man in the room with her so there's a lot going on. There's a lot of you know, intrigue about why What did this thing what why does it exist? Why did this older couple why was it presented to them? I don't have my glasses on so I know Jerry's being a smartest.

Jess Paul 4:53

Sounds like a total rip off of my last acid trip.

Bob Phillips 4:58

Maybe Maybe So again, I don't want to give away too much here but the most amazing part of this series is this this basic she just, I hate to use the word inhabits you know she inhabits the row that's the only thing I can think of. You utterly believe her there isn't a moment there isn't a frame that she's in love those kinds of actors Yeah, when you don't believe she is a you know, a grieving but but trying to be happy a mother whose son has committed suicide and a wonderful wife to JK Simmons, and they have a good relationship in spite of those other things going on. But I was just sort of, you can't take your eyes off her in this. You just can't. And she steals every scene she's in. I can't tell you anything more than what I've told you.

Jess Paul 5:48

Well, tell me this. So this show sounds and maybe from the poster just starting from what you're saying? Is it a very visually driven show? Like is there beautiful cinematography and or facts that are Yeah, I'm imagining there

Bob Phillips 6:01

is that there's a very, sort of, I don't want to say haunting, maybe a lilting score to it. It just kind of it just kind of meanders you just fall into this and go oh, and all of a sudden 45 minutes have passed? You're like wow, okay. And each show has a nugget.

Jess Paul 6:17

Amazon huh?

Bob Phillips 6:19

Yeah, that

Jess Paul 6:21

is Yeah, well,

Bob Phillips 6:23

I think what happens is

Jeff Dwoskin 6:23

you do not have Amazon Prime it's I

Jess Paul 6:26

had you have an Amazon Prime. Yeah, that's what you have. Okay, okay. I didn't I don't know how to watch shows on there.

Bob Phillips 6:32

So anyhow, that's that I don't want to give too, too much away because it's in the unfolding of it that I that I really like the series got one episode to go they better provide some resolution I'm going to be really pissed because there's a lot of threads a lot of loose ends, but very good. I recommend it.

Jess Paul 6:53

I have to say this sounds like the show for me because do you guys know you want to know a secret what I do at like the absolute end of every single night to bring my brain down to just just center me again to go to sleep to shut my brain off. Right before I go to sleep? Is I scroll pictures of autumn and stars that's it. Like look at Yeah, just just scroll my Tumblr feed and just like sync it just they just make me happy. Those two things make me happy so I have a feeling I'm gonna like you will

Jeff Dwoskin 7:26

like so here's a couple of pieces of trivia created by Holden Miller, son of Dennis Miller. Oh, okay not know that. Yeah. And JK JK Simmons basically read it liked it found out since he's back in space EC was attached that I'll do it.

Jess Paul 7:45

I mean,

Bob Phillips 7:46

here's the here's the thing I just read before the show, Ed O'Neill was going to play the JK Simmons character and he was on set for a month and then dipped, dipped. Yeah, they didn't they didn't really get into why that

Jess Paul 7:58

for a month. That means he filmed a lot, right. Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 8:01

What does it mean?

Bob Phillips 8:03

He left by?

Jeff Dwoskin 8:06

was originally called light years. That was the movie was originally called. Alright, so that you'd see you say check this out? For sure. Yeah. Is there any season two announcement?

Bob Phillips 8:16

There? There? There should be a season two I'd watch it.

Jess Paul 8:19

Okay. So this is a first season how many episodes for Brian? I have no idea what they do. Okay. Yeah. Okay, good. Another working on Brian. Yeah.

Bob Phillips 8:26

And there's there's no explosions. There's no alien spacecraft, you know, shooting people and things up. It's just, it's not meandering. It's a very slow build. And it's hypnotic.

Jeff Dwoskin 8:42

All right, that was Bob Phillips from Live episode 77 and night sky. Joining him was Jess Paul, frequent guests to the show. Up next is Casey Ryan plot coming to us from Live episode 102 made off the monster of Wall Street. Take it away, CRP

Bob Phillips 9:01

said I hope you have something uplifting Casey.

Unknown Speaker 9:04

Oh yeah, no. This is how you wrap up the show.

Jeff Dwoskin 9:13

Wondering for proper segues around here, but the flow was better when smile was part of it. I had to break up the Stallone stuff. Alright, take it away. Can you see Ryan?

Casey Ryan Plott 9:29

Thank you very much. And yes, I watched Madoff the monster of a Wall Street now I was always fascinated by the story of Bernie Madoff. It was one that you know, I came to know I believe 2008 When he was taken down and Enron during the crisis and everything that happened. I had watched and witnessed this as most of us did during through the TV and fascinated by the news to see it unfold. But I never got the full scope of the story. So Netflix with the help of the company is third eye Motion Picture Company. This is one of the companies that has done that Conversations with a killer that Jeffrey Dahmer tapes. They've done the filthy rich series with Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, crime scene Texas Killing Fields, a lot of great, great documentaries. I love their style. So they decided to tackle the Bernie Madoff story. So this is a four part limited series that you can find on Netflix. And it starts at the beginning of this man's life. It's very simple. It just starts about how he began and how his started two companies and investment company and an actual, you know, a money market maker company is what they call it. So he's the one who's responsible for buying and selling the actual stocks themselves. So when people are buying things on the trading floor there actually he's the one his firm would be responsible for selling and buying those actual stocks and holding those actual stocks. So he gained a lot of notoriety became very well known investor back in the 1970s. Taking investors from his in laws, actually, and taking their money and groups and friends money, and then going and saying he was investing it and beginning the Ponzi scheme of never investing anything. So he can he started doing this, like I said at the I mean, this is in the late 60s, early 70s. He started this process, and by the 80s we get into I think it's like Episode Two, they talk about that he became one of the most trusted men in Wall Street by actually being around and buying all the stocks that day that everyone was selling them on Black Monday, which is Day of the financial crisis 1987 Everyone went to Madoff he became an SEC securities went on their advisory board for a little bit forgot about President of NASDAQ for a little while, he helped create NASDAQ, he was one of the for him and his brother, were some of the first people that ever used the internet for trading. Like they were huge with this stuff. They were integral the entire time. Well, obviously things happened in 2008. And we follow the story and we get to find out that, you know, he screwed people out of what used to be considered potentially $50 billion. That's a real number that was 50 billion the actual number on the books that he cooked through this Ponzi scheme, which they do explain a Ponzi scheme. So if anyone's unfamiliar, you take money from one person. So I'd be like, Bob, I got a great opportunity for you know, we're going to do I only need $200 from me, and I'm going to turn it into 200 and you'll be like, great. So you give me $100 Well, I told Jeff that I make $50 trying to do 100 So now I take that 100 and pay Jeff and now Jeff goes great. I'll give you 500. And I'm like heck yeah. And we just continue this process. Yeah. So he's snowballed on the book $69.4 billion. In actual cash assets that flowed into him. He and his team of approximately seven people, just on the Ponzi scheme side, which was an entire floor of an office building the 17th floor, they refer to it as he actually took in $19 billion of actual money, assets stolen from all of these victims, just taken people just invested in the Madoff company and his entire entire job of all these other employees was to just make up fake trades. It's fascinating to watch. It's mind boggling. I not a single thing was ever traded, nothing ever happened. And the SEC had several opportunities several times to investigate him. Every time they were approached with legitimate things legitimate cause they didn't dig. They didn't do their due diligence. They simply went oh, they were handed a file and when that looks good, it's Bernie. No. So it was pretty fascinating to watch and the first three episodes are basically how all that broke down it gives the entire story of Bernie Madoff life then we get into the very end and the last episode is really sad where it deals with all the victims. Yeah, then he'll his kids that was his whole family just being ripped apart by this. I mean, he just destroyed his family. He's the one committed suicide or did Martin are committed suicide? Yeah, the older one. The older one committed suicide and then Andrew died of lung cancer, I believe. or lymphoma Yeah. So yeah,

Bob Phillips 13:52

we're still alive right? Yes, she is. Sorry, if I'm stepping on your didn't pay allow her like some, I don't know a million bucks or something. So you go buy something.

Speaker 5 14:03

They take care of everything. They took everything. So they literally had her stuck like they Well, they did allow her to take some jewelry like they you know, they said not everything could have been ill gotten gains. So she had enough to like take some jewelry to basically live for whatever you want to call living out of the back of your car is after having, you know, multiple homes and Palm Beach and multiple homes across the world. You're traveling all these destinations and doing whatever you want. Oh, is it was wild to watch. And then it continues on this story does actually get into how they were able to get some of that money back. They were able to recoup approximately $14 billion by going after the ill gotten gains tax. So 19 or out of 19 out of it. Yeah, the 65 Four was their fake number. That was the 19 was the actual amount of money that was taken billion dollars like it's insane. And where was

Bob Phillips 14:53

the money? He spent it all by they were how did they get the 14 billion back?

Speaker 5 14:57

Oh, so what they did is they go after these major investors. The people had been around for a long time, the people who had been kind of part of the system, maybe they knew maybe they didn't, but they obviously made money one guy made like, what $7 billion off of them. It was insane. And just by continuously knowing when to pull the money out, or at least when to ask for the money, and Bernie when he would need bailout, he had four major clients he would go to and each one of them would generally kick money because they knew that the fund required a little push,

Speaker 6 15:25

and okay, all right, yeah. Wow. Yeah, it was

Speaker 5 15:29

pretty insane. Now, by the time when he got arrested, he had $313 million in the bank and he tried giving it all away because he knew that it would all be taken

Bob Phillips 15:38

giving it to people that who had given him money

Speaker 5 15:41

employees everyone trying to give bonuses trying to get him by any way he could shell this money because 313 million i That's obviously not his and all that's going to be taken Yeah, they did. Eventually they took homes, they took other people's homes, some of these major investors they managed to get recoup funds from them. Unfortunately, they it does also show the portion of the United States government that is kind of a slash and burn lawmaking where it's, you know, you're gonna get everybody so he was unfortunately hitting people who had invested their life savings into this fund, and had already been retired or it passed on and this money was now to their children. And now the children are responsible for paying that money back

Speaker 6 16:18

is they went that deep children, but okay. I mean,

Unknown Speaker 16:24

he ruined so many lives.

Bob Phillips 16:26

Kevin Bacon in particular is gonna say

Jeff Dwoskin 16:30

John Malkovich, Larry King, Jeffrey Katzenberg, this whole thing fall apart because the economy it's when the economy tanked.

Casey Ryan Plott 16:40

It's exactly what happened in 2008 when everything went went tits up and the market freaked out. Everyone was concerned and trying to figure out what to do and everybody just started pulling their money because everything was plummeting, and he didn't have it. And there's stories about people like the entire what was the bottom floor of the entire building just being filled with investors screaming for their money on the phone freaking out yelling trying to storm upstairs. pitchforks

Bob Phillips 17:02

and torches. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. nervous thinking about it. So he just he never had enough cash to pay everybody at one time. He just always had some pots to go to to keep to keep the wheels greased. Yep,

Jeff Dwoskin 17:20

exactly. So during the Obama time when the market just tanked, like what? Thanks, Obama. I was like 12 to 6000 or something. That's what that's what exposed exposed at all right? Yeah, that's

Speaker 5 17:32

exactly if that if that market, they said if the market never tanked. If none of that had ever happened, we may have never known. He may have just died with all that billions of dollars just taken. And the crazy thing is to one of the most fascinating parts about is all of this there's JP Morgan Chase, and all these banks he worked with all the time, all of these other companies he worked with not a single one of any one of those people after a 30 year Ponzi scheme, not one of them went to jail. It was only him and the people he directly worked with and worked for him that went to prison at all. There's terrible that but it shows how ridiculous we are. And then they get into a fun splicing bid at the end where they talk about all the bankers and everybody who was basically kind of in on this who we're all buddies with Bernie Madoff all getting bailed out after that. Yeah, fascinating stuff.

Bob Phillips 18:19

long underwear misses made off and I gotta go check on that. Where is she? Do you think she lied in Terre Haute or something?

Speaker 5 18:26

I don't know. I don't know that. She didn't know. Okay, you know, I can't there's no real way to tell if Ruth knew or not, you know, the sons. I believe the sons didn't know. I think they were relieved

Unknown Speaker 18:36

that they didn't know. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna watch I'm gonna I have seen others. Like I think there was a movie once or something I've

Speaker 5 18:43

seen Wizard of Oz. I'm gonna watch this. Yeah, I'm gonna watch it. There's well worth it. Well worth a watch. So

Jeff Dwoskin 18:53

alright, CRP that was made off the monster of Wall Street. Again, monsters. We're gonna go to the Live episode 98. Now Wednesday, this is led by Tony Berardo. frequent guests to the show. Zach Wiseman is there as well. frequent guests of the show, Jess Paul is there as well. frequent guests to the show. I'm in this one here. There's a heated debate on Wednesday. Take it away, y'all. And now this is a show that I wanted to talk about. But I want to I know Tony was talking about it. And so I wanted to bring Tony on to talk about it Wednesday. That isn't that didn't, that didn't.

Tony Berardo 19:35

So that theme song is not in the series. Let's start with that. So anybody who hated that theme song, which I don't know why you would. But it's not in there, which is which is positive. I will say this, you should go into this not expecting Addams Family, which to me at first I wasn't excited about and then I started watching. I was like, Oh, this is better than what I expected. And you know, Jeff, I'm interested in your take because how Watch This is like to me classic Tim Burton. This is like a mix of if I had like some of in a sentence I would say the Nightmare Before Christmas and live action. Right like if you watched if you watch Nightmare Before Christmas love it right? And you watch it now like today? I do we just watched it because we have this like schedule in December where we like Nightmare Before kind of kicks it off because it's not really a Christmas movie it is but it's kind of like creepy, and it's weird. So we watched it and we're like, how did we watch this as kids like, this is terrifying. They're disgusting. They're really like a boogeyman with maggots coming out. I'm like I remember like as a kid watching this, like then December like what is happening?

Jeff Dwoskin 20:43

So you know, Tim Burton did not direct The Nightmare Before Christmas.

Tony Berardo 20:47

He didn't in fact, he had to buy them which I forget what show that is what show they tell that whole story of

Jeff Dwoskin 20:52

yeah, it just people think he did because his name's on. Yeah. Do you

Unknown Speaker 20:56

just produce it or write

Zack Wiseman 20:58

it? And he wrote it and produced it. He also like, did all the design work for Yeah.

Tony Berardo 21:03

And then he passed it off. He sat back, he did absolutely nothing. And then they just slapped his name on it. And he got a shit ton of money. It was genius. They wouldn't let him do it. Right. He had to fight for it. And yeah, which is a great story. I thought it gave me very, very vibe to that classic Tim Burton, it's a lot greater than you're going to expect. I forget the young lady's character, whoever played Wednesday, she did a phenomenal job specifically, like the dance scene, kind of an I think encapsulates her whole character, because it's this loose NRG and Artega. Jenna Ortega, thank you, but she's like this loose cannon inside and out. And then like, as the series goes on, she starts to kind of lighten up a little bit. And you can see that and kind of that that final scene, and it's very weird and unique and different and beautiful and funny, and I just really enjoyed the series. I didn't think I was gonna like it. I do have one criticism. I'm not a fan of Gomez. And I know that was intentional. But if you look at like Adams family, the original, he was a very, you know, friend. Like, Pepe LePew type a guy. You know, he's if you know, Gomez, he's now you know, he's not like that. He's short. Well as shape. I think they went more with the cartoon character of God. Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 22:15

Yeah, yes, yes. That's exactly what they did. Yeah, the funny thing was, his name is Gomez. And people were shocked that they would pick a Latina to

Tony Berardo 22:24

play him because they're all They're all a Tina. Yes.

Jeff Dwoskin 22:28

So yeah, they I love this show. This show is right. And here's the best part about this show to me is that it focused on Wednesday, which is the only interesting character in The Addams Family. Now, I agree. So to me, you can go rob, Zack will get his check. But to me the weakest parts of the show I when they brought in Morticia, Gomez Pugsley. And even faster to say it faster. They were almost character tours of the characters. And Wednesday to me was a fully fleshed out actually person character. And so the fact that I could deal with them in the amount that they were there, it was fine. But I could see if this was a whole show of them. I mean, Morticia and Gomez, were just, I mean, they were just all over each other the whole time. Like, like we couldn't stop kissing each other. And it was just like, it was like I get it. Yeah, it was in the show. And now you're doing it just it was too much. It was just too much. I do I will say that Gwendolyn Christie was amazing. And this and she finally got a chance to be she said this beautiful pretty usually she's Who does she play in it? Well, she was she was the headmaster, but she got to be a she got to be a woman. I mean, if she wasn't they didn't cover up like in Star Wars. And they didn't make her all just rooting like in Game of Thrones. And so she was a quote that she had done, or she was she felt that was the first time

Tony Berardo 23:55

and while you're on actresses Don't interrupt but Christina Ricci come in strong, also a huge character in this which is obviously paying homage because she was the original witness. That was also she's in it. Okay. I mean, every episode,

Jeff Dwoskin 24:09

she's really great. It's got a lot of Harry Potter vibes. If you like Harry Potter would definitely like this show. Let's see what Jerry has to say. This is a comic strip. Okay. Yeah. So So how old is Wednesday in this early teenager? Okay, yeah. So there's a dance scene in the movie, I think and the show, I think it's in an episode three or four. It's probably one of the most the best scenes of any show ever. Like, go down I think is like an like just an iconic scene of any any TV show clip in the future. It's all over YouTube and

Tony Berardo 24:47

it will be the dance that we talk about now with Travolta and Thurman pulsing. Wow, that's how it's gonna be in 15 years for sure.

Bob Phillips 24:55

Zach's in the lower right corner here going what

Unknown Speaker 24:59

I know You heard that I made that even I blew

Tony Berardo 25:01

that up even more because I saw your face. Blow this

Zack Wiseman 25:08

remember Pulp Fiction? Cinema changed Oscar award winning movie Pulp Fiction Wednesday is gonna be remembered just like that probably

Tony Berardo 25:16

the dance move.

Jeff Dwoskin 25:18

I agree with you Tony.

Zack Wiseman 25:21

Way anyone's remember this terrible CW show or one dance and it's not a good show by the way. The only reason people liked this show is because Wednesday Addams is in it and the reason it feels disjointed to you, just because it's a disjointed show. It is a show that written for a CW audience about a troubled woman with powers. Guess what? That is? Not Wednesday Adams guess also what that is not the Addams Family. The Addams Family is a cohesive family that under no circumstances do they break apart as a family. Now you give me one show where one sibling of a family goes and does something realizes she has powers and then has to do some murder mystery. Are you kidding me? That's not That's not at all. This is nostalgia bait, and you guys fell for it heart. Isn't a decent show. Sure. It's a decent show. Should it not have been called Wednesday? Yes. 100%. I don't care who directs it. This is not a Wednesday Adam show. This is a tick tock driven show. That is for CW and for just gothy morose teenagers which is fine, but lay there what it is there

Unknown Speaker 26:30

was a grump here.

Jess Paul 26:33

Right from under you, man.

Tony Berardo 26:35

They're reinventing the character there. Zack you You're like the guy

Zack Wiseman 26:39

character welcome complaining about how characters are different than the original like that doesn't

Tony Berardo 26:43

make you can't have this one. No one's no one. No one's saying that. I'm saying that Gomez should have been more accurate

Zack Wiseman 26:48

to one thing that we've about Morticia and Gomez is that they love each other. They are in love more than anything. And then in this show, all that we see them doing is being in love, which is all you're supposed to know about them. Except for the crazy stuff where Oh, all right. I forgot I had powers and you're gonna maybe get your powers too soon. So go back to Harry Potter school. Well, because you deserve that

Tony Berardo 27:10

Harry Potter's Great. Everyone had to have powers because if not, it'd be a stupid show and be very boring right? There

Zack Wiseman 27:16

was no powers in the Addams Family until this show,

Tony Berardo 27:19

right? Well, Adams family just say no, they're not based off real people. They were

Bob Phillips 27:26

put a light bulb in his mouth.

Zack Wiseman 27:27

But why is this called Addams Family then

Jeff Dwoskin 27:29

why is this Wednesday?

Zack Wiseman 27:30

Well, it's Wednesday, but this is the Addams Family. What Why is it the Addams Family? If we're going to change all the characters and give people new things to do

Jess Paul 27:37

you already know the answer, Zack, they're just trying to die that IP style debate

Jeff Dwoskin 27:43

guy. You're just basing the fact that quote unquote power is based on the TV show that will make a limited version of a movie

Zack Wiseman 27:53

three cartoons and a comic strip no powers. I can tell you who's really happy, really

Jeff Dwoskin 27:59

sad, and a world that was I mean, Zack, I hate to break this to you. One of the main characters is a chopped off hand that walks through and communicate what

Zack Wiseman 28:09

when I go into the Addams Family, if I go into Harry Potter, I expect magic. I expect magic is magic real? No. But if I go to a Harry Potter universe, I'm going to look for magic. If I go to the Addams Family universe, I'm gonna go into the lore that they've given me or else why put it in this universe? You're making me think about Amsterdam?

Unknown Speaker 28:27

I agree. Right?

Zack Wiseman 28:28

You're making my neck.

Jess Paul 28:29

I'm actually watch it. Yeah, so like, but man, that's a lazy Hold on a good show.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:38

It does not matter. And this show could light up Bob's with his mouth. And it was like a thing. And it was always crazy evil and they were definitely McCobb. They just they took it too.

Zack Wiseman 28:51

They were they were the minority family that stuck together no matter what happens and what you've just said, break them apart and put them in separate parts. What

Tony Berardo 28:59

you just said a minority. They were the minority family that yeah, that stayed together. And when we saw them in the comic strips, and when we saw them in the two movies, they were always together, then they would go out into a world like a camp where there was no more humans. This is showing us a totally different side. They went to where there is another world like a Harry Potter Twilight world where there's other metas like a half off chop a hand. And there's these freak shows running around. I guess that is true. They are showing it showing you something you haven't seen

Jeff Dwoskin 29:29

in the lurch was like a zombie, right? I

Tony Berardo 29:32

mean, it's a different world. Yeah, I mean, you're like that you're like the guy that

Zack Wiseman 29:36

is because he whatever you say I'm like, I'm not like

Tony Berardo 29:39

there's a new Joker and you're like he's not wearing white makeup. So it's not accurate. You know?

Zack Wiseman 29:45

That is 100% Not me, Tony stop saying you know,

Jeff Dwoskin 29:49

around all day defending Rocco from Sesame Street, and also Rocco's modern life.

Unknown Speaker 29:53

Well,

Zack Wiseman 29:56

anything and also have a point of view and I'm allowed to have it Tony No, I Trying to do like, tick tock dance on Wednesday. I don't care. It does not need to be outstanding. It's a fine show. It's a fine show.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:08

I do agree with you Zack that it could have not been the Addams Family like they could have removed Morticia. And faster and when they could have just been a character, but the only reason they made her Wednesday was so that people would watch it. Sure. Yeah, exactly. I don't disagree with that. But I fell for it Hook Line Sinker. I loved it. And here's the best part about the show, which you're choosing not to?

Zack Wiseman 30:33

Are you going to tell me your friggin daughter was in it or something?

Jeff Dwoskin 30:37

Why is it and she was in Batman v. Superman. I know. I, I was gonna say, you lost. My train of thought is gone. Now. The most important part? Oh, the most part barwise. And other people have told me the same thing is I'm like, I've got this figured out. hook line and sinker. I've got a doubt I know who did I know who that person is. I know what's going on. And then I'd be like, Oh, crap, I was wrong. Okay, now I know. It's this person. And then it's the old one minute before the reveal where everyone thinks, oh, it was Tony. Right? It was like, just because they're about to tell you anyway. And it's like, of course and then you're like I'm wrong again. Yeah, I mean, it's like

Zack Wiseman 31:18

that's honestly that's why I show up to every Addams Family is to get to the bottom of the murder mystery Goddamnit I gotta get this murder. telling me this

Jeff Dwoskin 31:28

is about murder. There's definitely you're like obsessed with that. I mean, they they definitely I

Jess Paul 31:35

like when I saw that this was coming about and I'm just assuming the plot in my head from what I'm seeing in the trailer. I kept thinking that like I was I was like, what is the action of this series? Because don't they just like kind of her in Puglia? We just tried to kill each other in all of the already existing properties just a good I was like her she murdered people like what are we doing on this? So she had to have powers

Zack Wiseman 31:59

while she's waiting. She's waiting hours she's waiting to get her powers she can get powers if she touches people sometimes then she can see the past sometimes and actually, like understand what people are trying to do but it's because her mom had the powers to begin with and that's why they went to this magic school to start it so that you could find your powers even if you don't have powers and she's because this is the Addams Family and you got to get down to the murder mystery or the powers or the something the something well, not your family values not the Addams Family.

Jeff Dwoskin 32:26

Right and there was no one better than Raul Julia and Angelica Houston has Gomez and I didn't like that either. opinion

Bob Phillips 32:40

on that one that's I don't have a pinion I was just gonna say this. The absolute happiest person involved in that show has got to be Christina Ricci. She's been in reverse for like 10 years, you know, and she now is I don't know, she's a regular on it. She's a reggae hacker. So yeah, yeah. So you're a fan service, good

Unknown Speaker 32:59

for that.

Jeff Dwoskin 33:00

But she was good. She delivered she was more than fanservice. And the funny thing is the finding about Christina Ricci being in it was all the tick talkers going, yes. See this person? Or this person was the original Wednesday were

Unknown Speaker 33:16

like, What am

Jeff Dwoskin 33:18

I kidding me? Like, we've got our most obvious piece of trivia more. Yeah. As I kept seeing that, I'm like, Oh, my God, this is why they're famous. And I'm not because I just don't think to go as saying that everyone knows.

Bob Phillips 33:36

is made up of people who buy it. Yeah, they didn't resolve.

Jeff Dwoskin 33:38

I think Wednesday was great. Jenna Ortega was great. I agree. I agree. I watched this Jen artiguez was right. It's where I have

Jess Paul 33:47

to give it a try.

Zack Wiseman 33:49

Top between Jenna Ortega was great. She'd never blinked on cameras. So cool. Not one blink ever. And that's so amazing. And I

Jeff Dwoskin 33:56

think that's an attention rate job. Yeah.

Zack Wiseman 33:58

She did one time like trying to do it. And then Tim Burton told her that's your character from now on, you have to do this fun, dance move. She choreographed herself based on a couple of things that she looked at, like, you know, it's a very good show. It's a cool show.

Tony Berardo 34:13

Well, listen, I will say this and all joking aside, the first thing I said out of my mouth when he said hey, let's talk about Wednesday. As I said go into this thinking what don't think about Addams Family neutral that was the whole point is you got to forget everything else. It's like the dce you okay? You have to forget every movie before it because every two every two days they're trying to reinvent something like you just go into they don't

Zack Wiseman 34:36

change how Batman works though he's still unknown and he still has a key

Tony Berardo 34:41

Oh, what do you mean no has no power. I'll have this Batman debate with you some other time. But you do Batman, you do Batman Returns and then automatically two years later you bring in Val Kilmer there. They're letting us know hey, let's forget about the other two movies. That's my point with this is they're changing everything up. And you got to forget you go into this fresh like there was no Addams Family and you Go in appreciating these characters and then soaking it up. And then by season two, I bet we're going to get more of the Addams Family character that you're talking about. And maybe because this is such an early reboot, maybe they had powers in the movie, The Addams Family movie. Yeah. So when we get to that maybe she just won't use her powers because they're now a cohesive family units. You gotta think,

Jeff Dwoskin 35:19

well, I will tell you, I'm not thinking big enough for them. So

Jess Paul 35:22

many episodes are currently out there. There's a

Zack Wiseman 35:26

few seasons done.

Jeff Dwoskin 35:27

I will tell you that it was actually right that they took cell phones out of the equation. And so that you didn't you didn't you weren't able to like, easy lazy writing. Sure. That made it harder lazy.

Unknown Speaker 35:41

So it's set in a time before cellphones.

Jeff Dwoskin 35:43

No, no, no, they just didn't they

Jess Paul 35:46

recognize that they exists. Okay. So lazy. All right. Let's talk about

Jeff Dwoskin 35:55

Alright, well, that was fun. Well, that escalated quickly. Wednesday from Live episode 98 What did you think? Let us know on Twitter, Instagram, wherever you are on the socials. That wraps up this bonus episode of crossing the streams. You got a lot of homework Wednesday night sky made off the monster of Wall Street so much so much for you to do. Go hop on the couch. Get your favorite spot, grab the remote grass, your own streams, and we'll see you next time.

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