#201 Crossing The Streams: She spotlight (Bonus Ep47)

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Jeff Dwoskin 0:30

Hey, oh, it is I Jeff Dwoskin, your host of classic conversations and your guide through this bonus episode of crossing the streams. What is crossing the streams? It's where we answer the universal question. What should I be binge watching next? You just finish something and now you got to watch something else. Well, you've come to the right place. We have a live show every Wednesday at 9:30pm. Eastern time you can watch along live although shows live on YouTube, we have over 101 episodes of crossing the streams, each with some TV watching goodness. This bonus episode is a special bonus episode because it's focused on the documentary she I'm going to share this segment from Live episode 102 with you where I talk about the documentary sheet and then following that quick segment I'm going to share with you the interview that I did with author Amy Baker. She wrote Joe that the documentary she is based on and I also talked to Jason Greer and Vanessa Chica rally the directors of she this is a really important documentary it gives voice to the missing and unidentified women of the United States. I'm proud to share this with you. Here's me from Live episode 102. Take it away me. I want to talk about this documentary called Shi Shi. And this is a documentary they this team reached out to me and so I I screened the movie and I had a chance to talk to the author whose book it was based on and the directors of this movie. And this movie kind of got my attention this movie, Amy Baker is an author. And she wrote a book called Joe and Joe is a series of poems that honor Americans missing and unidentified women. And so as I was watching this, it's like, Do you have any idea how many women go missing every year in the United States

Bob Phillips 2:25

5000 2000 $5,001 300,000

Jeff Dwoskin 2:27

will go missing every year. Yep, in the United States, called missing out some of them, you know, their founders generally at anytime 2600 Jane DOE's waiting to be identified. And so and so this is a, this documentary shines light on this. And the interesting thing about this documentary is that it focuses on the victims, and does not at any time mentioned, the perpetrators name the person that may have, if they know in the particular case of the women they're talking about who may have murdered or kidnap them or anything like that it was purposeful, that it was a focus on the victims to give kind of that spotlight on the victims. Whereas in comparison, if you think about how like a Netflix and something like that kind of make heroes out of Dahmer, or something like that, with these full shows focused on them were the victims and become plot points, right. And if you give you really kind of think of it if like your one of your family members was, you know, of actual victim of one of these serial killers, it's like you can imagine what that would be like I talked to Amy Baker, I talk to Jason Greer and Vanessa chick rally, this was their first film that they did they happen all live in the same town. And so they were aware of each other. And they decided to make this their first full movie. This is something you have to stream and pay for right now on iTunes or Google Play or Prime Video or Vimeo or Amazon Prime, or YouTube. So it costs a few bucks, but it's you know, you're supporting somebody who made this. And it's an interesting thing and the impact it had on me which is, is that from a man's point of view, you don't think about this kind of stuff, right? That but the reality of kind of the world is that it's much more dangerous for a woman than it is for a man and so this is a 90 minute documentary and it kind of drives home this message and you got people like Kate Mulgrew to help narrate as you'd know her from oranges and new black and Star Trek Voyager Captain Janeway and a couple other people and people create a new music for this of note, it's definitely something worth checking out. It's it's called she the website is official she.com There's other she's out there, but this is this is this is specifically a documentary and it's won awards to one like the best documentary film Boston and Boston and Independent Film Awards. You know, it's won multiple, multiple awards for a first effort. So very informative.

Casey Ryan Plott 4:57

That's fantastic. I'm really it's nice to hear but they're doing it from the perspective of not having the actual perpetrator of these crimes. Yeah. being shown at all. That's, that's fantastic.

Bob Phillips 5:07

Those numbers are so so 300,000 Women go missing a year and something would you say 2700? Are Jane DOE's women, they have no idea who these women are.

Jeff Dwoskin 5:19

No idea who they are. And during the interview, we talked about, you know, white woman syndrome, you know, which I'm sure you've heard the kind of the jokey trope, if you go missing, it's best to be a, you know, a young, cute blonde. And so, we talked about that during the interview as well. And the reality of that and how this is trying to change the perspective and, and get people to tell other stories as well.

Bob Phillips 5:47

So 2026 2700 Jane DOE's bodies that they that you can identify, that's pretty

Jeff Dwoskin 5:55

at any time at any time.

Bob Phillips 5:57

So if you if you did those, just, I mean, the numbers are so I mean, that's like, okay, break it down by state. Right. So that's something over 50 on identified dead women per state, per year. That's one a week.

Jeff Dwoskin 6:12

It's It's scary. When a giant you shine the light on and you think, you know, the world is such a guy. Yeah, it's frightening. Check that out. It's definitely something I think everyone should see. And

Casey Ryan Plott 6:24

sounds riveting. Definitely gonna grab that one.

Jeff Dwoskin 6:29

All right, that was me talking about the documentary she on crossing the streams live episode 102. And now I'm going to share with you my interview that I did with Amy Baker, author of Joe that inspired the documentary, and Jason Greer and Vanessa Ceccarelli. The directors of GE enjoy our conversation. All right, everyone, I'm excited to introduce you to my next series of guests. I have three amazing people with me, all part of the incredible documentary she Amy Baker, author and poet, directors Jason Greer and Vanessa Chica rally. Welcome to the show, everybody.

Aimee Baker 7:10

Thank you for having us. Thank you.

Jeff Dwoskin 7:12

I appreciate it. Your team reaching out and sharing your documentary with me she Amy, could you describe the documentary at a high level for everyone just as sort of a baseline and then we'll build a discussion off that I don't want to do it any injustice.

Aimee Baker 7:28

I don't know if I can describe it at a high level. But I am a poet and I wrote a book of poetry in honor of missing and unidentified women in the United States. And as a as a poet that doesn't get there's not a lot of traction in poetry. But thankfully, Vanessa and Jason read the book and wanted to turn it into the documentary, which weaves together the story of me being a writer, the work that I did on creating dough along with actual information about some of the missing women who are included in the book,

Jeff Dwoskin 8:02

I learned a lot from this, this movie. And that's I have daughters, all daughters. So I'm a household. I'm the only guy so the idea that missing women is so prevalent, you know, the numbers that we can go deeper into it, it touched me and I really, I really enjoyed watching the movie and from and learning about this and understanding all these things that your poetry led to this movie that Jason and Vanessa then put together. So Jason, and Vanessa, this is your first time directing a film,

Jason Greer 8:32

first time directing any sort of major, major project? Yes.

Jeff Dwoskin 8:35

How did you find Joe? Like, what's the story? Like? How did you come across this book that you then became so passionate about that you wanted to create this documentary?

Vanessa Cicarelli 8:44

Well, so I mean, it's a small town where we live, so we knew Amy a little bit for years. So then naturally, when her book came out, you know, I like to support local authors. So I picked it up and started reading it. And that was about the same time that Jason wanted to start experimenting with creating some sort of documentary of his own. I was blown away by just the number of women that are missing. And I guess things that I didn't really like I know women went missing. And I know that there are Jane DOE's, but I guess I just never really stopped to think about it before, just like the the numbers of them. And the amount of women who go unclaimed was just kind of shocking to me as well. And so while I'm reading this book, and kind of thinking about that, I kept telling Jason that this seems to be like the best place to put our energy into if we wanted to try to do a local, locally based documentary.

Jeff Dwoskin 9:31

You and Vanessa and I are sweethearts. So you guys have been together for a long time. What was the business before you got into making this movie?

Jason Greer 9:37

Well, we own Grujic really creative, which is a photography and video production company that we've run for 2022 years. So we've done a lot of photography and commercial work and little movies and stuff with our children but nothing nothing in the realms of the documentary. And this wasn't meant to be a full length feature documentary when we started I thought it would be something We'd have Amy come to the studio and record and talk about and maybe make into a small, a small little project. But once we got going on it, it just it just kind of it was too much information to keep to small short, and we just kind of went from there and it grew and grew and to what it is now,

Jeff Dwoskin 10:16

Amy, how did you feel when Jason and Vanessa wanted to expand your your book of poems into Yeah, Amy,

Vanessa Cicarelli 10:23

how did that make you feel?

Aimee Baker 10:25

Um, Jeff, I avoided them for like months, like they kept reaching out. And like, I was just like, I don't know what this is, like, obviously, I knew them. But just the notion that my book would be a documentary or anything that anyone be interested in what I'm doing was just really bizarre to me. So I finally we finally sat down before the pandemic happened. And they talked to me about wanting to create the documentary, and then it sort of just snowballed from there

Jeff Dwoskin 10:54

was hesitation that there's a difference, right? When you're, we put words down and you're the author and a book can be powerful, and it make a difference, but the author is kind of a name. Sorry. Oh, Amy Baker, a documentary elevates you to the face of right. So Right. Is that right? How do you feel?

Aimee Baker 11:12

I mean, like, you know, as a as a writer, my my life is pretty quiet, like I write at my desk I create independently, so it's quite a bit different to then be like, very, very publicly connected. And you know, like seeing my face in a documentary is just a little otherworldly sometimes.

Jeff Dwoskin 11:31

Have you been recognized from it yet?

Aimee Baker 11:33

Not yet. There's still time.

Jeff Dwoskin 11:36

So this is an award winning movie. So Jason Avinasi Create Your First Movie and boom Best Documentary Feature Boston independent film that's it's amazing on multiple levels one because such a an important topic is getting such notoriety. But I mean, that's just one of the that's the way it there's a whole list here of impact X award, Independent Film Award, Nashville Independent Film Festival, New York Times, and that's just then there were it was selected to be in 11. Other what do they call film festivals? And how does that feel like, the combination of all of you like everything is like, Oh, wow, because this must be really resonating. And the message is, is really impacting people. It's getting so much attention,

Jason Greer 12:19

it feels good, that it's getting attention, its attention that this type of story topic documentary, I think deserves to one of the roadblocks that we kind of kept running into. There's a lot of documentaries out there about serial killers and about the perpetrators, there isn't any documentaries out there about the victims really, and some of my earlier conversations with certain people were like, you know, if you put serial killers in there, you're gonna get more views you're gonna get more people to watch it but that was kind of the opposite of what we were trying to do being selected into these film festivals and and actually having people liked the type of documentary that we made it really is says a lot for for for the project and for Amy's work.

Jeff Dwoskin 12:59

I think that's an important distinction to about this documentary is that you didn't go the razzle dazzle Netflix way where Dahmer the the fascination with the murderer themselves were the victims almost just become, you know, just little entertainment points, which is horrible. I can only imagine if you're one of the actual victims of one of these killers and to be able to watch these things where they glamorize the murderers. I think it's it's an important Ami. I know. That's what kind of drove the book dough. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Aimee Baker 13:32

Yeah, I mean, and this is the same experience that I've had. Whereas, you know, like, when I go to public readings of though, and inevitably, someone will want to stop and talk to me about serial killers, or like, who my favorite, what my favorite crime is, like, I don't have that is not in my worldview. That's not what I'm interested in. And you know, like the beginning of dough really started with the signing of an identified woman and reading her story. And it's really like meditating and thinking about the fact that she has, she has family, she had people who cared about her, and she had largely been forgotten, right. So all of these, these women and all the women that I didn't include in the book, or who are not included in the film, I would hate for them to be reduced to like you said, like, their plot points. They're like devices to tell the story of someone else

Jeff Dwoskin 14:21

I got from the documentary that took a long time to write all these poems, right? Probably why did you start in like 2008? And then it wasn't published in 2018. Is that right? But you probably finish it before that. What does it do to your own psyche to dive into all these stories that are not not uplifting in nature? Right, they're they're horrible. They're nightmares, basically. Right? It's a series of nightmares for the people that it occurred to how did how did you deal with that? Like, how did you keep pushing through that to keep I know it was important to tell their stories, but I mean,

Aimee Baker 14:54

I think like, you know, I talked about this a little bit in the documentary but not not too sensitively, which is you know, I thought I was like tough and could handle handle like researching these things and writing these poems and, and spending time on these stories, but like it did deeply, negatively impact my like emotional state. And so for a long time I stopped writing them, that's part of why my dough took so long to write is I just exited out of the project completely, because it was just too too much for me. And now, you know, we're, we're many years out from the start of it. But like every single woman that I wrote about, like I think about daily, and that's like, not just something that like I tell people, but it is it is true, like I wake up, I think about at least one of them, or like I try to remember them on their anniversaries of them being found or them disappearing. So I just feel like the rest of my life, like I will be carrying these women with me,

Jeff Dwoskin 15:54

the women that you wrote about if you were able to find existing family, did you connect with them? Or?

Aimee Baker 16:02

That's a good question. I mean, in terms of what I believe I should have done ethically, like, Absolutely, I should have done that, just because we are are creating and thinking about people who have their stories and their loved ones. On the other hand, it just also felt like when I was like a beginning poet, and I'm like, just some like random woman who's like writing this poem that I didn't know if it was going to do anything or be anything, right. That also just felt awkward and weird and strange, to sort of invade their personal space.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:35

Sure, sure. I met I met more emotionally, this in terms of like them, knowing even now, how you immortalize their their family members memory

Aimee Baker 16:46

I've been in, we know that, like one of them has connected with us. And I have also read poems in the communities where some of the women have gone missing from and, and that really does change the shape of like, the emotional moment of those poems. Right.

Jeff Dwoskin 17:03

So Jason, and Vanessa, how was it working with Amy? Was y'all like, no, yeah, it was she hard to work with.

Vanessa Cicarelli 17:15

She's extremely easy to work with, unless you want her to look at herself on film, or listen to her own voice. But besides that, like she's not self conscious at all, with the with the interview process, or with the filming, it's watching it all back after. So that was so when we were trying to do the editing portion that became a little bit hard because we wanted some of her input, and she just could not bring herself to watch it at first or listen to herself. So that got a little bit complicated for a bit, but I think you're working on that right.

Jeff Dwoskin 17:46

Now that she's a movie star. How was so the synergy between the three of you and everyone else working on it was?

Jason Greer 17:55

Yeah, it was it was really good. Honestly, the the portion with Amy we had set up to do and do the filming. And we pretty much shot all of that in one day. She came in to the studio and we set up and we started talking about these cases. And it really just it just started started happening and came naturally there wasn't retakes, and redos of this, it was just, it was just a nice, fluid conversation. And that really is really what drove us from where we were our initial idea to where we ended up, it was just there's a lot of information, there was a lot of topics. And there's there's interest in these cases from the victims themselves and the cases and how they worked on how they were treated, how some of this stuff just doesn't get reported, and you just don't find out about it. So it just it just that first day was just great. And it just really set the tone for what we wanted to do. Once we started going. We knew it had to be more than that what we initially thought it was going to be

Vanessa Cicarelli 18:52

right we were thinking 15 or 20 minutes just to kind of get a feel for what it felt like to make a documentary in the first place. And but I think we talked for hours on that first day, and there's just so much good stuff we wanted to keep and embellish on a little bit.

Jeff Dwoskin 19:06

Sorry to interrupt, we have to take a quick break, and we're back about to dive into some of the big names associated with the documentary. You had Kate Mulgrew of Star Trek fame. While many much pay out Orange is the New Black life she's done a lot. Right. How did you I Julianne this very famous person to do your first film?

Jason Greer 19:26

Well, once once we started doing working on it, we knew we needed more voices in the documentary and we were just trying to figure out who we wanted and what what types of things I was lucky enough to get in touch with with Kate's agent and we reached out to her we reached out to a lot of people during the process. We sent Amy's poems to a lot of people and had no interest in them but she seemed genuinely interested in the project and the poems and she really wanted to work with us and and it just it just worked out really, really well for us. We did Kate's directing of her of her the narration is actually the probably the Last thing we did for the film, we started with AMI, and then we worked with cocoa, Jones and Raven. Good one. And then we finished up project. Okay,

Jeff Dwoskin 20:09

incredible. And then the music you had a song Jane was written for this talk about 70, quail, Alex Klein, like how that came about.

Jason Greer 20:19

So I born in Bozeman, Montana originally, and I actually went to high school with Stephanie. And when we were working on this project, we really wanted as much original content and music as possible. So we reached out to Stephanie to see if she'd be interested in it. And she said she would we sent her Amy's poems as well, just as kind of a reference. And Stephanie and Alex Klein wrote James, specifically for us for the film. And it just, it's just a really, a really wonderful song, I think it fits fits the film very well.

Vanessa Cicarelli 20:49

It was just she, she read the poems first and then just kind of got a feel for what what I guess Amy's vibe is, and the whole what we're doing here with the film and put together that song, which made us all cry, I think the first couple of times we listen to it,

Jeff Dwoskin 21:03

it's a powerful song. I mean, it's like, I can see the power of having something originally written for this because it matches the message of your of your documentary so tightly, so tightly kind of really packs that extra wall. Because of that,

Vanessa Cicarelli 21:18

it really does. And it came about at the time when we were kind of just still at the beginning part of piecing all of it together. So it felt so strange to have like this polished element to add to this film that was still kind of like more of an idea than anything else. So

Jeff Dwoskin 21:33

some of the stats were just grabbed me later, 300,000 women go missing in the United States every year is that every year, every year, currently 2600 Jane Doe is just waiting to be identified. It's staggering the numbers of people that just go missing, is there. What do you hope that creating this documentary? Does that can impact change to? I would imagine to speed up or make aware that they're missing and solving these cases? Is it the awareness of it that is happening? Is it like that? So many of these go on recognized or just ignored? I know you talked about missing white woman syndrome in the documentary. So is that is there a problem with just awareness of this? If people aren't connected to serial killers and stuff like that victims aren't connected to serial killers in terms of people focusing on that

Aimee Baker 22:23

Jason and Vanessa can answer like specifically for the film. But I've always thought like, you know, the way in which there are stories of missing women that I've heard about in the United States, and that we've all heard about. And I think it's important that we know their names, and we know their stories, and, you know, can articulate that, but at the same time, there are 1000s of missing and unidentified women that we have not heard about. And their stories are not on the nightly news or splashed across magazines. And I think that what I wanted to do with DOE is to call attention to those stories. Not every woman in DOE is connected to like a crime in terms of a killer, or that sort of thing. There are there are women who you know, have have self exited out of their, their regular life, there are women who were experiencing drug abuse, and those sorts of things. And I think there's like this depth that we're not quite getting. And I think we often depict it as like this. Well, you know, like we there's limited resources, right? But like, is there? Or is it just like we are selecting whose stories we carry forward and whose stories we care about,

Jeff Dwoskin 23:30

right? I mean, there's always been a thing where it's like, Oh, if you go missing, you hope that you're a cute, blonde, white person, right? I mean, that's, that's, I don't want to say it's a trope where I mean, it's like, it's a thing, right? It's like, it's almost like, on denial, you know. So like, that part of changing that frame, that point of view that that mindset is exactly is one important thing that could come from this, or hopefully will come from this extra awareness. So

Aimee Baker 23:59

I think we've reached the point in which like, that we've reached the level of conversations who, like, acknowledge that there is an issue, but I feel like we often just like get caught up in talking about the issue, being an issue, rather than like actually like implementing solutions to like, make change. So I hope that the film and the book are working together in that thing to like, move it beyond, hey, this is an issue and taking it to like, here are the women that we're forgetting. Right,

Jeff Dwoskin 24:26

what are solutions? What are some solutions you think could be put in place to help make that change?

Aimee Baker 24:31

Yeah, I mean, I think like this starts from like, the very beginning, right, of like, a person goes missing, and then what happens? So that involves like media coverage and police engagement, right. But I think as well, when we see stories, we do get caught up in like the splashy or stories that like are somewhat titillating to us. I'm not knocking that because those stories matter too. Right, but it's us personally saying like, okay, like, I'm not going to get caught up in this conversation, I'm going to, like, take a moment and look at like, just look up, like, who is missing in my area? Who whose story have I not heard about, like the girl who inspired doh to begin with, you know, I had lived in Phoenix, Arizona for years and just had not not known her story or that she had existed. And if I had taken like, 10 minutes out of my day, right, like, I could have found her story through other means, or the stories of other women who are missing in the area and actually be like, Oh, hey, let's amplify that. But Jason, and Vanessa, I don't know, if you have a thought on how that works for film,

Jason Greer 25:43

what's the movie, the thing we've noticed a lot is actually the male response to the film, women know about these things, it's, it's more in their daily vocabulary, we've shown the film and had people come up at the end, men come up to the end, and, and they're, they're more traumatized by it, or are understanding more of some of these things than than they were before. We've had a lot of a lot of dads come home, and like, you know, go home and really reconsider where they're going to let their daughter go, or how they're going to let them go. Or, you know, just those types of things. And I think it's, it's something that that we are less vulnerable to those situations. So we take it more for granted. And we're not thinking about, it's the prevention, definitely, as well.

Vanessa Cicarelli 26:31

I have a 15 year old son, and he watched it and he just said that he thinks this should be like something that is required to watch in, in high school just to kind of like, let young boys know and girls that they need to be looking out for each other a little bit more and, and kind of just being aware of the ways that people can just be like, just disappear without without anyone really knowing or thinking about it. And then the other thing, I think that with the film is kind of like like going back to like the missing white woman, it also is a lot of women seem to get blamed for their own disappearance, or those things that happened to them. And I think it's really important for us to kind of change our attitude on that as well. And just realize that a person is a person and it doesn't really like matter, I guess what you could be doing that could be considered risky, this kind of thing isn't like, this isn't what you deserve. You don't deserve to be abducted or murdered or anything else horrible happening to you just because you maybe are doing something that somebody would consider risky. So it's kind of just like getting that kind of awareness out. Because I think a lot of people are just like, oh, that person was was kind of like, looking for that, you know, so it's not entirely the truth on these things. So

Jeff Dwoskin 27:42

that's, that's what it's how it impacted me. I mean, that's, as you know, it seeing like, I think it was in the documentary is broken up into chapters, and chapter six talks about experience of being a woman is different than being a man. And this kind of, you can hear that as a guy and go, Okay, you know what a byte like in the context of the movie, it puts a whole different spin on that and a whole different, suddenly, you hear that in a much, much different way. I think the quote was, the world has said women cannot exist safely, where they live. And it's like, it's a scary thought, you know, you think sometimes we all kind of fool ourselves that we live in this world, where we're all safe. But there's a lot of nefarious things going on that, you know, you never know, where the danger might lie. This documentary, I think, opened my eyes a lot. And I imagine anyone who originally read doe and is now as seen, she probably would have the same impact that I had the same as your 15 year old son. So I would say go see it too. And it should be mandatory and not just because I know you now. I agree. Where can people see she? Right now

Jason Greer 28:51

it's available video on demand on most major, major sites, Amazon, Apple, TV, Vudu, Vimeo, and as well as for most of the major cable networks that have VOD, like spectrum Cox different ones throughout North America. So the US and Canada

Jeff Dwoskin 29:09

is there more plans for Xi in terms of more festivals or anything like that,

Jason Greer 29:14

we it was put into more festivals that haven't come up the deadlines yet. We haven't put it into any additional ones. beyond that. We were acquired by gravitons ventures who is our distributor and so they're doing most of the legwork now on the distribution part of it. So that's kind of kind of in their hands, which is good. It's the first time that we let go of the film so it's not something I have control over at this point, but but I know they'll do a good job.

Jeff Dwoskin 29:42

Okay, awesome. Any last thoughts Amy? Before we

Aimee Baker 29:47

I'm just really what's what's interesting is as a writer is to actually like I feel like I was in charge of dough. Right and like, Joe is my version of of talking about this and processing it and it's been incredibly important to see it sort of take shape and a different vision with Jason and Vanessa. Right Like I told them from the start like it's not it's not me like controlling this like I want you to see like what where, where this takes you and Stephanie's song is like the net like other version of it and the music video for that like a different version of it. So it's been incredible to watch doe sort of have this like rebirth and growth through other creatives and creators. Jason

Vanessa Cicarelli 30:33

the NASA I guess we just want to thank you for having us on and helping us spread the word about it.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:37

Oh, my pleasure. Anything I can do. Official xi.com is the website of the documentary. I don't know Is there a link to dough there? Why didn't they put a link to Joe on there? It's yeah, how is that a shop it's probably under shop. Okay. If you click under shop, you can you can get Joe which has that has 50 poems as a good Joe there, you can get the music, everything. I encourage everyone who's listening to please watch this very important documentary and Jason, Vanessa and Amy, thank you so much for spending time with me and talking about your very important film.

Aimee Baker 31:14

Thank you.

Jeff Dwoskin 31:16

All right, everyone. That was the team that brought us she I do encourage you to check out that documentary. You can get it on iTunes, YouTube, Vimeo Prime Video, pretty much anywhere you stream videos. All right, well, that's just one piece of homework for this week. So go, go hop on the couch, start streaming the movie, cross your own streams, and I'll see you next time.

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