#191 Crossing The Streams Is In The Picture (Bonus Ep42) – Great TV binge watching suggestions!

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Jeff Dwoskin 0:29

Hey, oh, it is I Jeff Dwoskin host of classic conversations and your guide through this bonus episode of crossing the streams. What is crossing the streams? It's where we answer the universal question. What should I be binge watching next? I just finished something and I've got to watch something else. Well, you've come to the right place every Wednesday 9:30pm Eastern time we're live with crossing the streams. This bonus episode brings you segments from various live shows. You can listen to all the shows there on our YouTube channel 98 shows and counting off of binge watching goodness. Today we're bringing you two segments one from Episode 81 and one from Episode 98 girl in the picture and Wednesday to great a lively discussions we're gonna kick things off with girl in the picture from Live episode 81. Ron lipid is going to be our guide through that take it away Ron Stu, the girl in the picture. Yeah, and uplifting one.

Ron Lippitt 1:30

You know, this was another algorithm from Netflix and I wanted to you know, I'm caught up in doing some review. I'm watching some older series that I've already reviewed and just kind of doing that summertime thing where you just kind of catch back up on things that you forgot what happened. So So I saw this, it's a documentary, it's an hour and 50 minutes on Netflix one sitting and like I said algorithm, so I took a shot at this. And you know, anytime you've got the one episode documentary, there's hope with that because as we have discussed in previous shows, what you don't want is the six episode documentary that just is way way stretched out unnecessarily and, and just ends up dumping all this useless information and getting to the exact same point they would have gotten to in one freaking episode. So I went into this this show hopeful. And I gotta tell you, I think I was rewarded for this. If either of you seen this, this documentary, I saw

Jeff Dwoskin 2:20

a preview for it. So

Ron Lippitt 2:23

it's a really fascinating story. In fact, I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard about this before. But bottom line is, or I should say that summarize the story, a young mother 20 years old is found run over on the side of the road, groceries all over the place, she was clearly walking back to her house. That's how the show opens. This is all true life documentary, you can look it up leaving behind a infant son, and a man shows up at the hospital claiming that he was this woman's husband and the infant is his and long story short, the documentary takes you on a voyage to find out that this woman is not who you think she was at the beginning of the show. It turns out that she was living under a pseudonym. She was actually from Oklahoma, and she was a super gifted student, got a full ride scholarship to Georgia Tech was going to be an engineer, but somehow met this man. And they ended up living in I think in North Carolina, and she became a stripper and was turned out to you know, do all these unseemly things for for people that that the husband, you know, pushed her towards and it turned into it was turning into a really, really bad life for this. This woman. Clearly he was abusing her. Clearly he was causing just ripping everything from her. But it's then that you find out that that she is not that woman either. That's that halfway through the documentary you find out that this woman was actually was born in Detroit in Livonia, and was essentially kidnapped by this man who raised her as his daughter. And then when she got old enough, married her she grew up never knowing who she was never knowing what her name was. And then the once he murdered her, this man went to go to foster care to go get this kid and managed to get this kid from the school he was at and disappear with him kidnaps him. And then the rest of the documentary is essentially a nationwide manhunt to figure out who this guy is who this woman is, who the real identity of this kid is. And it covers the whole country. They're all over the place. They're fleeing the law seeming moment moments ahead of time, they just getting away from the FBI catching them and it really turns into quite a I mean, it's a terrible story, obviously, but it's a it is a thrilling telling of this just terrible situation. And you know, without wrecking the end, and I will just say they do catch this man and they do figure out who he is and ultimately through DNA and through some of the modern technologies that weren't available. When this first kicked off as a nationwide manhunt, they were able to figure out all the characters in this they were figured out, they're able to figure out exactly what happened. And the retelling of it is fascinating. It is amazing that something like this in the 2000s, which is when they caught this guy that that something like this could exist for as long as it did. And I think this timing is very good. So like I said, it's an hour and 15 minutes. I think the way they break up the story into its pieces, I think is very suspenseful. And Jerry with this therapy animal, I think they did a nice job with it. So I think you know, Netflix produced this They repackaged it and built kind of built it in a way that I think was worthy of the of the Netflix brand and I highly recommend it. It's not a pick me up, but I will tell you that it does. It does take you on a good ride and it does finish how you want it to finish. I'll just say it that way. Sounds good. Because you took me on a ride there.

Jeff Dwoskin 5:52

Yeah, Holly finishes with them going to see Thor love and thunder. That's yeah. That's the love and loving thunder. Yeah, buddy. But

Ron Lippitt 6:01

it isn't, you know, this whole documentary is is elsewhere in the country. You know, you can't help yourself be here in Detroit thinking, Well, gosh, these North Carolina people are these people in Oklahoma or whatever. And then you find out the whole thing freakin started right here in Detroit, where I and Jeff are, listen, this can happen anywhere. And it's it's scary. So anyway, check it out. I think you guys will enjoy it. It'll be a quick hour. 5040 I promise.

Jeff Dwoskin 6:26

There you go. You heard it from here. Yeah, you're gonna have us? Yeah, here.

Ron Lippitt 6:30

It is that that's on Netflix. Right? That's on Netflix. Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 6:37

All right, the girl in the picture sounds like a compelling show. Hopefully, you're all running out to watch every week. We've got Wednesday. This is a longer very engaging conversation. We didn't all agree on Wednesday. Most of us loved it. Some of us had some issues with it. But I think it lays out both sides very nicely. So enjoy this spirited discussion on Wednesday, led by Tony Berardo are the broader podcast frequent guests and friend of the show, take it away, Tony and me and Zach Wiseman, we're all in this. Alright, here we go. And now this is a show that I wanted to talk about. But I wanted I know Tony was talking about it. And so I wanted to bring Tony on to talk about it Wednesday that

Tony Berardo 7:27

that theme song is not in the series. Let's let's start with that. So anybody who hated that theme song, which I don't know why he would exactly. But it's not in there which is which is positive. I will say this you should go into this not expecting Addams Family Which to me at first I wasn't excited about and then I started watching I was like oh this is better than what I expected. And you know, Jeff, I'm interested in your take because how I watch this is like to me classic Tim Burton. This is like a mix of if I had like some of in a sentence I would say the Nightmare Before Christmas and live action. Right like if you watched if you watch Nightmare Before Christmas, love it right? And you watch it now like today? I do. We just watched it because we have this like schedule in December, where we like Nightmare Before kind of kicks it off. Because it's not really a Christmas movie it is but it's kind of like creepy, and it's weird. So we watched it and we're like, how did we watch this as kids like, this is terrifying. They're disgusting. They're really like the boogeyman with maggots coming out. I'm like, remember, like as a kid watching this, then December. I'm like what is happening?

Jeff Dwoskin 8:37

So you know, Tim Burton did not direct The Nightmare Before Christmas.

Tony Berardo 8:41

He didn't in fact, he had to buy them which I forget what show that as what show they tell that whole story of

Jeff Dwoskin 8:48

just people think he did because his name's on. Yeah, you

Bob Phillips 8:51

just produce it or write it and pretty

Zack Wiseman 8:53

wrote it and deep produced it. He also like did all the design work before? Yeah.

Tony Berardo 8:57

And then he passed it off. He sat back. He did absolutely nothing. And then they just slapped his name on it. They wouldn't let him do it. Right. He had to fight for it. And yeah, which is a great story. But yeah, I thought I thought it gave me very, very vibe to that classic Tim Burton. It's a lot greater than you're going to expect. I forget the young lady's character whoever played Wednesday, she did a phenomenal job specifically, like the dance scene kind of in, I think encapsulates her whole character because it's this loose and Archie and Artega Jen Ortega, thank you, but she's like this loose cannon inside and out. And then like as the series goes on, she starts to kind of lighten up a little bit and you can see that and kind of that that final scene and it's very weird and unique and different and beautiful and funny, and I just really enjoyed the series. I didn't think I was gonna like it. I do have one criticism. I'm not a fan of Gomez. And I know that was intentional. But if you look at like Addams Family, the original he was a very, you know French, like Pepe. The Pew type of guy, you know, he's if you know Gomez, he's now you know, he's I don't like that he's short. Well as shape. They went more with the cartoon character of God. Yeah. Yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 10:11

yes, yes, that's exactly what they did. Yeah, I love this show. This show is great. And here's the best part about the show to me is that it focused on Wednesday, which is the only interesting character in The Addams Family. Now, I agree. So to me, you can exactly get his check. But to me, the weakest parts of the show I when they brought in Morticia, Gomez Pugsley. And even say it fester, they were almost character features of the characters. And Wednesday to me was a fully fleshed out actually person character. And so the fact that I could deal with them and the amount that they were there, it was fine. If I could see if this was a whole show of them. I mean, Morticia and Gomez were just, I mean, they were just all over each other the whole time. Like, like they couldn't stop kissing each other. And it was just like, it was like I get it. Yeah, it was in the show. And now you're doing it just it was too much. It was just too much. And I do I will say that Gwendolyn Christie was amazing. And this and she finally got a chance to be she said this beautiful pretty usually she's Who does she play in it? She was she was the headmaster, but she got to be a she got to be a woman. Yeah, I mean, if she wasn't they didn't cover up like in Star Wars. Yeah. And they didn't make her all like just rooting like in Game of Thrones. And so she That was a quote that she had done.

Tony Berardo 11:41

And while you're on actresses are uninterrupted but Christina Ricci come in strong, also a huge character in this which is obviously paying homage because she was the original one. That was also

Bob Phillips 11:52

in it. Okay.

Jeff Dwoskin 11:54

I mean, every day, she's really great. It's got a lot of Harry Potter vibes. If you like Harry Potter, you definitely would definitely like this show. Let's see what Jerry has to say. This is a comic strip.

Bob Phillips 12:07

So how old is Wednesday in this?

Jeff Dwoskin 12:10

early teenager? Okay, yeah, so there's a dance scene in the movie. I think in the show. I think it's in an episode three or four. It's probably one of the most the best scenes of any show ever. Like, go down I think is like an like just an iconic scene of any any TV show clip in the future. It's all over YouTube and

Tony Berardo 12:33

it will be the dance that we talk about now with Travolta and Thurman pulse. Wow, that's how it's gonna be in 15 years for sure. Yeah.

Bob Phillips 12:41

Zach's in the lower right corner here. Go and watch

Tony Berardo 12:46

that I made that I blew that up even more because I saw your face. Blow this.

Zack Wiseman 12:54

Remember Pulp Fiction? Cinema changed Oscar award winning movie Pulp Fiction Wednesday is gonna be remembered just like that. Probably the dance move.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:04

I agree with you Tony.

Zack Wiseman 13:07

Way anyone's remember this terrible CW show or one dance and it's not a good show. By the way. The only reason people liked this show is because Wednesday Addams is in it and the reason it feels disjointed to you just because it's a disjointed show. It is a show written for a CW audience about a troubled woman with powers. Guess what? That is? Not Wednesday, Adams guess also what that is not the Addams Family. The Addams Family is a cohesive family that under no circumstance do they break apart as a family? Now you give me one show where one sibling of a family goes and does something realizes she has powers and then has to do some murder mystery. Are you kidding me? That's not That's not at all. This is nostalgia bait, and you guys fell for it heart. Isn't a decent show. Sure. It's a decent show. Should it not have been called Wednesday? Yes. 100%. I don't care who directs it. This is not a Wednesday Adam show. This is a tick tock driven show that is for CW and for just Golfy morose teenagers, which is fine, but lay there What did he there

Unknown Speaker 14:14

was the grump here?

Jess Paul 14:18

from under you, man,

Tony Berardo 14:19

they're reinventing the character there. Zack you're you're like the guy character. Well,

Zack Wiseman 14:24

isn't complaining about how characters are different than the original like that doesn't make you can't have this one. No

Tony Berardo 14:28

one's no one. No one's saying that. I'm saying that Gomez should have been more accurate

Zack Wiseman 14:33

to one thing that we've talked about Morticia and Gomez is that they love each other. They are in love more than anything. And then in this show, all that we see them doing is being in love, which is all you're supposed to know about them except for the crazy stuff where Oh, all right. I forgot I had powers and you're going to maybe get your powers too soon. So go back to Harry Potter school. Well, because you deserve that

Tony Berardo 14:54

Harry Potter. Everyone had to have powers because if not, it'd be a stupid show and the be variable All right there's

Zack Wiseman 15:00

no powers in the Addams Family until this show

Tony Berardo 15:03

right well Adams family just so you know they're not based off real people they

Bob Phillips 15:06

will put a light bulb in his

Zack Wiseman 15:11

mouth. But why is this called Addams family then?

Jeff Dwoskin 15:13

Why is this Wednesday?

Zack Wiseman 15:14

Well, it's Wednesday but this is the Addams Family what why is it the Addams Family? If we're gonna change all the characters and give people new things to do

Jess Paul 15:21

you already know the answer, Zack, they're just trying to die that IP style debate guy,

Jeff Dwoskin 15:28

you're just based on the fact that quote unquote power is based on the TV show that will make a limited limited version of

Zack Wiseman 15:38

three cartoons and a comic strip no powers.

Bob Phillips 15:40

I can tell you who's really happy, really

Jeff Dwoskin 15:42

sad, and a world that was I mean, Zack, I hate to break this to you. But one of the main characters is a is a chopped off hand that walks through and communicate what

Zack Wiseman 15:54

when I go into the Addams Family, if I go into Harry Potter, I expect magic. I expect magic is magic real? No. But if I go to a Harry Potter universe, I'm going to look for magic. If I go to the Addams Family universe, I'm going to go into the lore that they've given me or else why put it in this universe? You're making me think of Addams Family? I agree. Right? You're making?

Jess Paul 16:13

I'm actually to watch it. Yeah. So like, but man, that's a lazy.

Unknown Speaker 16:22

Good show. It does not

Jeff Dwoskin 16:23

matter. And the show could light up balls with his mouth. And it was a thing and there was always crazy evil, and they were definitely McCobb. They took it to

Zack Wiseman 16:34

they were they were the minority family that stuck together no matter what happens and what you just, you just said it, break them apart and put them in separate parts.

Tony Berardo 16:42

What you just said minority they were the minority family that yeah, that stayed together. Yeah. And when we saw them in the comic strips, and when we saw them in the two movies, they were always together, then they would go out into a world like a camp where there was no more humans. This is showing us a totally different side. They went to where there is another world like a Harry Potter Twilight world where there's other metas like a half off chop a hand. And there's these freak shows running around. I guess that is true. They are showing it showing you something you haven't seen in the

Jeff Dwoskin 17:14

show. It's like zombie riot.

Tony Berardo 17:16

I mean, it's a different world. Yeah. I mean, you're like that you're like the guy that

Zack Wiseman 17:19

is because he whatever you see, I'm like, I'm not like that guy.

Tony Berardo 17:23

There's a new Joker in your life. He's not wearing white makeup. So it's not accurate. You know?

Zack Wiseman 17:28

That is 100% Not me, Tony, stop saying you know,

Jeff Dwoskin 17:32

around all day defending Rocco from Sesame Street,

Zack Wiseman 17:36

and also Rocco's modern life, well, anything and also have a point of view, and I'm allowed to have it Tony, like, tick tock, cancel Wednesday. I don't care. It does not need to be outstanding. It's a fine show. It's a fine show.

Jeff Dwoskin 17:50

I do agree with you, Zack, that it could have not been the Addams Family like they could have removed Morticia. And faster and Wednesday could have just been a character. But the only reason they made her Wednesday was so that people would watch it. Sure. Yeah, exactly. I don't disagree with that. But I fell for it Hook Line Sinker. I loved it. And here's the best part about the show, which you're choosing not to,

Zack Wiseman 18:16

are you going to tell me your friggin daughter was in it or something?

Jeff Dwoskin 18:19

Why is it and she was in Batman v Superman. I know. I suppose. I I was gonna say, you lost. My train of thought is gone. Now the most important part? Oh, the most part barwise. And other people have told me the same thing is I'm like, I've got this figured out. Hook, line and sinker. I've got to doubt I know who did I know who that person is. I know what's going on. And then I'd be like, Oh, crap, I was wrong. Okay, now I know. It's this person. And then it's the old one minute before the reveal where everyone thinks oh, it was Tony. Right. Like, just because they're about to tell you anyway. And it's like, of course and then you're wrong again. Yeah, I mean, it's like

Zack Wiseman 19:00

great. That's honestly that's why I show up to every Addams Family is to get to the bottom of the murder mystery. God damn, I gotta get this murder telling me this

Jeff Dwoskin 19:10

is about murder there. You're like obsessed with that? I mean, they they definitely I don't

Jess Paul 19:17

like when I saw that this was coming about and I'm just assuming the plot in my head from what I'm seeing in the trailer. I kept thinking that like I was I was like, what is the action of this series? Because don't they just like kind of her in Puglia would just try to kill each other in all of the already existing properties. Just a good I was like Arushi murder and people like what are we doing on this? Oh, no, no. So she had to have powers while she's waiting. She's waiting hours. She's

Zack Wiseman 19:43

waiting to get her powers. She can get powers. If she touches people sometimes then she can see the past. Sometimes it actually like understand what people are trying to do. But when it's because her mom had the powers to begin with. And that's why they went to this magic school to start so that you could find your powers even if you don't have powers and because this is the Addams Family You got to get down to the murder mystery or the powers or the something the something well not your family values not the Addams Family

Jeff Dwoskin 20:08

right and there was no one better than Raul Julia and Angelica Houston as calm as and I didn't like that either opinion

Bob Phillips 20:22

now that's not I don't have pinion

Jeff Dwoskin 20:26

Sorry to interrupt this amazing conversation but I have to take a quick break and we're back with more Wednesday enjoy.

Bob Phillips 20:33

I was just gonna say this the the absolute happiest person involved in that show has got to be Christina Ricci because she she she's been in reverse for like 10 years, you know, and she now is I don't know she's a regular on it. She's a regular care so yeah, yeah, so you're a fan service good for that.

Jeff Dwoskin 20:51

But she was good. She delivered she was more than fan service. And the funny thing is the finding about Christina Ricci being in it was all the tick talkers going Yes. See this person while this person was the original Wednesday? We're like what? Like, I get a me like I we've got our most obvious piece of trivia more. Yeah. Because I kept seeing that I'm like, oh my god, this is why they're famous. And I'm not because I just don't think to go and see I'm not saying that everyone know it was

Bob Phillips 21:28

made up of people who buy it. Yeah, they didn't resolve.

Jeff Dwoskin 21:31

I think Wednesday was great. Jenna Ortega was great. I agree. I agree. This Jen partagez was right.

Jess Paul 21:39

I have to give it a try. I tried top between

Zack Wiseman 21:42

Jenna Ortega was right. She'd never blinks on camera. So cool. Not one blink ever. And that's so amazing. And I think that's an intention. Right job. Yeah. She did it one time, like trying to do it. And then Tim Burton told her that's your character from now on, you have to do this fun, dance move. She choreographed herself based on a couple of things that she looked at. And like, you know, it's a very good show. It's a cool show.

Tony Berardo 22:05

Just Well, listen, I will say this. And all joking aside, the first thing I said out of my mouth when he said, Hey, let's talk about Wednesday. As I said, go into this thinking what don't think about Addams Family. Neutral. That was the whole point is you got to forget everything else. It's like the dce you okay? You have to forget every movie before it. Because every two every two days they're trying to reinvent something like you just

Zack Wiseman 22:28

don't change how Batman works though. He's still unknown and he still has a

Tony Berardo 22:32

key Oh, what do you mean no has no power. I'll have this Batman debate with you some other time. But you do Batman, you do Batman Returns and then automatically two years later, you bring in Val Kilmer. They're, they're letting us know, hey, let's forget about the other two movies. That's my point with this as they're changing everything up. And you got to forget you go into this fresh, like there was no Addams Family, and you go in appreciating these characters, and then soaking it up. And then by season two, I bet we're going to get more of the Addams Family character that you're talking about. And maybe because this is such an early reboot, maybe they had powers in the movie, The Addams Family movie. Yeah. So when we get to that maybe she just won't use her powers because they're now a cohesive family unit. You got to think

Jeff Dwoskin 23:11

well, I will tell you, I'm not thinking big

Jess Paul 23:13

enough for them. So many episodes are currently out there. There's a

Zack Wiseman 23:17

episode two seasons done.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:19

I will tell you that it was actually here, right that they took cell phones out of the equation and so that you didn't you weren't able to like

Zack Wiseman 23:28

easy, lazy writing.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:30

That made it harder, lazy.

Bob Phillips 23:32

So it said in a time before cell phones No, no, no,

Jeff Dwoskin 23:35

they just didn't they

Jess Paul 23:37

recognize that they exist. Okay. So lazy.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:41

All right. This

Bob Phillips 23:44

talk about tick tock.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:47

Tick tock. Tick tock is all women dresses Wednesday now? Yeah, that's not a company. I'm just saying tick tock. Now. My algorithm is all Wednesday cause play.

Tony Berardo 23:59

Wow. Don't tell the wife. Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:01

She knows because she can hear Dance Dance Dance.

Bob Phillips 24:05

reset your password. Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:09

All right. Well, that was fun. All right, Dennis. That's Wednesday for you. Check it out. If you've already seen it. Tag us on Twitter at Jeff Dwoskin show. Let us know what you think I loved it. One of my favorite shows in a while. So you got Wednesday and girl in the picture. That's a lot of homework. So I'm gonna let you go before the bell. Go grab your favorite spot on the couch, grab the remote, cross your own streams, and we'll see you next time.

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