#149 Examining Comedian Cathy Ladman

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All right, Sue, thank you so much for that amazing introduction. You got this show going each and every week and this week was no exception. Welcome, everybody, to Episode 149 of classic conversations. As always, I am your host, Jeff Dwoskin. Great to have you back for another classic conversation that's gonna rank in the classic isness of them all. That's right. actress, comedian and writer Cathy Ladman is joining me today. That's right. You heard me correctly. The legendary Cathy lad man is here. Oh, we're talking comedy where it's all again. Mike Nichols. We're talking Paul riser. We're talking Jerry Seinfeld. We're talking all about her solo show. Does this show make me look fat? A comedian takes on anorexia, a very important project of Cathy's. SHe's gonna tell us all about it. And that's coming up in just a few seconds.

Jeff Dwoskin 1:31

I want to use these few seconds to remind you there's over 145 interviews and shows waiting for you on this podcast, but specifically episode 148. Christian Ganiere, Christian start is 10 in Stranger Things. That's right, right from the Hawkins lab, right to classic conversations. He's here he's talking about working with Matthew Modine working on working with the Duffer Brothers On Stranger Things we dive into a few other cool stuff that he's done. Do not miss that episode. Christian is 13 years old. He's done more than I've done my entire life and he's got a whole lifetime ahead of him. So exciting stuff, so check that out.

Jeff Dwoskin 2:10

Oh man a few seconds just fly by don't they? All right, Cathy Ladman is coming up right now. We talked about Curb Your Enthusiasm her guest spot on Modern Family madman or feature at the three Stu jets. This episode also comes with an impromptu review of Elvis and I explained the boys to Cathy Oh, and Cathy named the episode during the episode. So enjoy. All right, here we go. Enjoy. All right, everyone. I'm excited to introduce you to my next guest, actress, comedian, writer. The Super hilarious Cathy Ladman. What's up?

Cathy Ladman 2:46

Oh my god. That's too much. Too much. Super hilarious.

Jeff Dwoskin 2:51

You're super hilarious.

Cathy Ladman 2:53

All right. Well, thank you. It sounds like a big build up. i It's early for me here. So super hilarity doesn't get doesn't kick in until after lunch. You don't

Jeff Dwoskin 3:03

have to feel like you're super hilarious in this. Okay. They're gonna they're just getting there. We're gonna get to know you. And then they'll go. Okay, go go YouTube, you and all that kind of stuff. Right, right. Cathy Ladman Yeah. So Well, thanks for hanging with me. I am excited.

Cathy Ladman 3:19

Su Su Kolinsky is the person who who brought me to you. And I love so and she says Hi, and speak so highly of you.

Jeff Dwoskin 3:29

Sue and I had a great time. And I also talked to I think another one your besties. Monica Piper. Yes. That was I was I was looking at Monica's Facebook once and I'm like, oh, as soon as I talked to Cathy and this whole friendship group almost.

Cathy Ladman 3:42

Yes. Well, you have to get Debbie Casper in there. Alright, let's do that. And and then have you spoken to Wendy Liebman yet?

Jeff Dwoskin 3:49

She has eluded me. So if you can help me with that, oh,

Cathy Ladman 3:52

man, I'll try to I'll try to facilitate that for you.

Jeff Dwoskin 3:56

Wendy Lehman is awesome. She's very Yeah, she's

Cathy Ladman 3:59

great. She's really great.

Jeff Dwoskin 4:01

Yes, Sue and I had a great time talking.

Cathy Ladman 4:04

It's interesting talk sports.

Jeff Dwoskin 4:06

We know because I don't know anything about sports. So okay. Yeah. So I do enough research to know what topics to also avoid,

Cathy Ladman 4:13

right?

Jeff Dwoskin 4:15

Sports is like if somebody says something to me about sports, I'd be like, I'll go. And then just pray. They don't do a follow up.

Cathy Ladman 4:24

Right. I hear you. I hear you loud and clear. The interesting

Jeff Dwoskin 4:27

thing about you and Sue Kolinsky is it you are both inspired by an album?

Cathy Ladman 4:33

Oh, really? That's interesting. Well, which one? Was she inspired by first first family? I had a feeling Yes. Yes. Because it was impressions. Yeah. I never even saw Sue when she was doing impressions. But she told me that's how she started.

Jeff Dwoskin 4:47

Yeah, she used to do like women version of the guy voice.

Cathy Ladman 4:52

Right, right. Well, I have two comedy albums from my parents collection. One of them is the first fan Like with Vaughn meter, right? And the other one is the one that influenced me, which is Mike Nichols and Elaine May examined doctors,

Jeff Dwoskin 5:07

right. When you heard that, like, what what was it about it kind of resonated with you,

Cathy Ladman 5:13

you know, it's very hard to articulate it in a tangible way. There was just something about there. You know, I was very young when I got into I was like, eight years old, and there are humans, very sophisticated, and not at all broad. And there are scenarios that are you familiar with their their work together,

Jeff Dwoskin 5:35

I listen to sounds like gauze, gauze,

Cathy Ladman 5:38

gauze. Yes, I have, I have a good story about cause unless you might know this story already, but I can tell it to you. Basically, I just, I just love the situations that they created and the characters they created. And they were just hilarious to me just hilarious, like really grounded. I mean, of course, they do take things to the absurd, which you heard in gauze, but which is about I'll tell for the people who are listening, which is about a doctor and a nurse doing surgery. And during the surgery, the doctor is telling the nurse she knows that he's been after her he that he loves her and she's like, please stop pressuring me and and basically, he gets her into a situation where he he will not save the patient until she says yes, she'll marry him. And so I memorize the whole album when I was eight years old. Okay, so I memorize the whole album. And when I would go to sleep at night, my mom would come up to my room sit on the edge of my bed, I would say my prayers, and then I would do a selection off the album for her. To me the oddest part of that story is that I said prayers. But I mean, I guess that you know, that's that's how I was raised. But she of course thought it was pretty odd. I mean, she never told me she thought it was odd but I could tell from her reaction to me doing the selection off the album that it was Oh, okay. That's nice.

Jeff Dwoskin 7:01

Good what kind of prayers a little brockagh are like

Cathy Ladman 7:03

they were there was like a Now I lay me down to sleep kind of prayer. God, you know, the advice should die before I wake God horrible prayer. Horrible, horrible. So years later, and several I mean, I used to listen to this a lot. This album when I was a kid, and then it would keep resurfacing in my life. Like when I did my first Tonight Show, and I was I was getting ready at home putting on my makeup because I liked the ritual of putting on my makeup by myself. I thought What should I listen to? What music should I listen to? And then I thought, I'm gonna listen to that album. That would be like such a cool thing to listen to when I'm getting ready to do my first Tonight Show spot. And then another time it came up also, when I went to get Mike Nichols autograph at the Comedy Awards when he was being honored. I brought the album with me. What happened was I did an audition to be in a Mike Nichols film. This one was a flop of his called um, die. Not I'm dying up here. Excuse me. What planet are you from? The Garry Shandling one? Benning and it did not do well at all. But it was I was casting it and was it was absolutely thrilling at my second audition was in front of Mike Nichols. And I brought the album to show him see, you know, I thought I thought you know, what do I have to lose? Who knows for maybe I'm gonna get this. Who knows if I'll have this opportunity, guess what brought the album and I brought something else to show him and he goes, yep, that's my, that's my signature. And so I get cast in this. We were shooting north north of here like in the Antelope Valley, very hot, arid area and standing outside on a patio and he had broken his foot. So he was in a booth and he wasn't moving around a lot. And he was telling the DP how to set up the cameras, what he how he wanted the shot. And and I just happened to be standing next to him. It was just like one of those random things. I was standing like shoulder to shoulder with him. And something came over me I didn't put I didn't think about it. But I just said gauze. And he said gauze. And then I said more gauze and he said more gauze. And we were doing the bit together. I was doing this with Mike Nichols. That's awesome. It was so did you say it's called awesome.

Jeff Dwoskin 9:13

That's awesome. I should have said that. Awesome. Sorry. It's the gardener.

Cathy Ladman 9:19

But it was one of the most unbelievable experiences in my life, how I had come like full circle from being a child and having this connection. And then actually working with this person and doing the bit that I had memorized when I was eight years old. It was It was an unbelievable experience.

Jeff Dwoskin 9:37

That's so cool and probably worked out. They just kind of subtly slipped it in there. So was it cool meeting him?

Cathy Ladman 9:45

Oh my god. It was amazing. And at one point I said to him, you know, I got confused because I was doing his part and he was doing Elaine Mays part. So I got confused and I stopped I said, I can't believe I'm doing this with Mike Nichols and he says I can't believe I am Mike Nichols was and it was amazing meeting him. It was amazing meeting him and then I did a small part and Charlie Wilson's War, so I got to work with him again.

Jeff Dwoskin 10:08

That's awesome. So yeah, too bad that Garry Shandling one was Bob Iger, his like the bird cage Working Girl regarding the graduate. I mean, he's got,

Cathy Ladman 10:16

oh my god, he was white a lineup. And amazing, an amazing director, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. I mean, Angels in America, oh, my God, just an amazing, amazing director and in theatre and in film. He had an amazing career. And he had a great marriage with Diane Sawyer. So it was a hater. And I'm in the middle of reading his the his biography. Oh, I'm a terrible reader. I have to tell that it's one of the things that I feel most badly about about myself and keep berating myself about it. Like I can't be right myself and then go okay, I'm done berating myself. I have to keep berating myself afresh about the fact that I'm not a good reader. Isn't that unfair?

Jeff Dwoskin 11:01

No, no, no, I'm not a good reader, either. By like doing the podcasts when people write books, I'll read the book before I talk to good. So that's how I get into reading.

Cathy Ladman 11:10

It's so good. Like what books have you read that in that situation?

Jeff Dwoskin 11:14

I've read? Sharon, glasses, autobiography. Eisner, like a bunch. I'm blanking on

Cathy Ladman 11:21

it. Okay. All right. I know I'm putting you in a position. But that's great. I need I need a job like that. That would make me read. Right. I just put you know, I'm just you know, I think I have a little AD D. I do

Jeff Dwoskin 11:33

readings hard. I have a cousin that can read literally a book a day like with like, 90% retention. Insane.

Cathy Ladman 11:39

Wow. And what else does this cousin do with his or her life?

Jeff Dwoskin 11:43

She's a teacher, but she's just a natural speed reader. Wow. And I can't I can't read a book. Like if someone says like, they'll send me a book. Right? It sounds I'll read the book before we talk. And I get the book. They're like, well, when can we do the interview? I have to I have to see how big the type is. That I can determine how fast I can read it. Because sometimes these books are like really small type pages. You know, it's like is that makes it a little hard?

Cathy Ladman 12:10

Oh, God, it makes it really more tedious. Yes.

Jeff Dwoskin 12:13

Oh, tedious. All right, we just need to take a quick break. Thank everyone for their support. Oh, the sponsors. When you support the sponsors. You're supporting us here at Classic conversations. And that's how we keep the lights on. Now back to my conversation with Cathy Ladman I was just about to reveal to her another super famous comedian was also inspired by the album examining doctors. I've said too much back to the interview. So that's really cool. Oh, you know, I also read that John Mulaney. Yes, John Mulaney. Also 100% Inspired by

Cathy Ladman 12:47

Nichols in May. Yep. Really? Oh, wow. Oh, man, I would love to get a chance to talk to him about that one day. If I ever meet him.

Jeff Dwoskin 12:55

Next time you bump into him. Boom.

Cathy Ladman 12:57

I've never bumped into him. Well, in case you do not. Now I have no I have a conversation starter. Thank you. Universe

Jeff Dwoskin 13:04

is putting everything in place. Thank you so much as we talk. You are welcome. You are welcome. So Cathy, let me ask how did you get started in comedies are inspired by this album? It's to your mom, in between prayers. Like, what was it that kind of set you on the path to be funny,

Cathy Ladman 13:21

I was always I was always a funny kid. I'm the youngest of three girls. I was probably jockeying for position and wanting to be heard. And I found that I could make people laugh. And that was a great way to get the attention of people. It's particularly my parents. I mean, that's where it starts, everything starts at home. And then you know, I was class clown, and in junior high, and I just loved making people laugh. And I decided when I was 13, I'm going to be a comedian. And then it took me like almost another 13 years. I mean, it seems like so little third only 13 years from the age 13 to age almost 26 just I was just shy of 26. But I mean, I have I do these things in my head with numbers like I moved to LA in 1985. That is 37 years ago, which is staggering to me. I'm 66 years old, in another 37 years, I will be 103 Isn't that crazy? To think that. It just that kind of math just boggles my mind. So anyway, so it took Yeah, so it took me until I was I was it was in June, actually June 28 is my 41st comedy anniversary. Wow, that's awesome. 41 years. Mazel tov. Oh, isn't that crazy? You know, thank you. And yet the so when I the first time I did Tonight Show with Johnny and I sat on the couch and he said to me, Well, you're very good. You're very funny. Very funny. How long have you been doing this? And I actually said eight and a half long years, eight and They have long years. I thought it was a long time, eight and a half years. And he said to me, Well, you're getting very good at it. And I said, thanks. So were you. It was a knee jerk reaction because I thought it was slightly condescending of him. And but he laughed and the audience laughed. So it was fine, but I hadn't there was absolutely no editing to be done there even is fitted, bombed. That was coming out of my mouth. That's awesome.

Jeff Dwoskin 15:23

Now you're right. You know, I've seen a lot of old clips where seemingly condescending Qamishli to women, especially to women.

Cathy Ladman 15:32

Yes, yeah. Oh, kind of old school. I mean, he was great. And it was great working with him. And it was great experiencing what he did so well. But he did have that kind of old school attitude towards women.

Jeff Dwoskin 15:46

How many of you are in the Tonight Show? What

Cathy Ladman 15:47

nine times nine times?

Jeff Dwoskin 15:49

That's a lot of time.

Cathy Ladman 15:51

You know, some people have done it like 3050 60 times. But I think nine times is is great. I mean, I'm I'm very I'm very proud of myself for having having done that.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:02

Sure. Like, like, like I've done it zero times. So nine I didn't

Cathy Ladman 16:06

nine more times than you did.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:09

Job Robin in my face can

Cathy Ladman 16:11

only nine it's not alive. It's 60 More times than you have

Jeff Dwoskin 16:21

I don't think now is I don't see on the current tonight show as many don't have as many comedians I don't think I

Cathy Ladman 16:27

don't watch Jimmy Fallon show so much. Do you watch it? It's weird. I

Jeff Dwoskin 16:30

don't watch it. But I see clips and I feel like at some point, you know, at some point, that's what late late night sort of became if you didn't watch it, you still saw all the rides because they just were viral videos. You know? Right. So it's like one of those things where it's him and Ariana Grande doing the spin the wheel and she's impersonating Celine Dion. Yeah, I've seen that.

Cathy Ladman 16:50

Did you ever see, you know, did you happen to see him? I'm just pulling my neck back because I hate it. I hate aging. I know. I'm like

Jeff Dwoskin 16:59

we shouldn't we should all look as good as you at 66. Well,

Cathy Ladman 17:05

thank you. But I guess

Jeff Dwoskin 17:06

that not not that I would have guessed. I never would have gone down that road

Cathy Ladman 17:10

hunting. But my friend, my best friend of 40, how many years 46 years. We met when we were teachers together outside of Philadelphia. She was a producer on Reading Rainbow for like nine years. And they just did a documentary of of the show called butterfly in the sky. And my friend best friend's name is Cathy also. And she asked me if I'd ever seen Jimmy Fallon do Jim Morrison singing that song? Have you ever seen that? I might have I've seen Oh my god. It's so great. I mean, if you've not seen it, you should first listen to the song. You know the Reading Rainbow basically theme song and then watch him singing it. It's It's hilarious. I mean, his those things that he does are great. But I'm not always I'm not his the audience for his show. I'm old.

Jeff Dwoskin 18:06

He's got a talent for the voice. Like the people he can impersonate Jimmy Fallon introduced you at Just For Laughs

Cathy Ladman 18:13

Yes. And you know, when we worked the last time we had worked together before that he was opening for me at the Improv in Vegas. Hasn't it funny how show business works?

Jeff Dwoskin 18:29

Everything. Yeah, it's you never know. I get all these stories.

Cathy Ladman 18:33

Oh, there are so many great stories. You know, did you ever hear the story about how polarizer got the movie diner? No. He went to Macy's with his friend and and fellow comic Michael Hampton King, and Michael Hampton Kane, excuse me. And who suit who has since left us and all had to buy some underwear. And so Michael had to go to this audition for diner. So Paul just accompanied him. And they saw Paul in the room and they said hey, do you want to read for this? And he read for it. And he got the part? Oh, that's awesome.

Jeff Dwoskin 19:06

I know. He was just with his friends on an audition. He's had a pretty solid acting career.

Cathy Ladman 19:12

Oh my God, he's and he's great.

Jeff Dwoskin 19:14

He was just in the boys.

Cathy Ladman 19:16

I yeah, I What is the boys? I've not seen it.

Jeff Dwoskin 19:19

The boys is one of the greatest TV shows. I've heard that tell me what it's about. It is basically about it's based on a comic book. I'll suggest the boys right it's about superheroes but it's like a real reality take on it like they're not good people you know I mean it's like these people I was Superman every everything is kind of built up to be like this whole you know, they're American and the American way and justice and right. Yeah, these are like assholes and in their, their like products and that it's all about marketing machine. Oh, wow. It's all just like, you're all like not good people. Yeah, but a lot of them aren't. They're all controlled by this Corporation. Gotcha. And when I tell you it's insane. It's the most insane. Can't like eat dinner and watch the show.

Cathy Ladman 20:08

Oh, okay. Like that's, um, where do we where's it HBO? Okay, then I should I should try to start from the beginning I guess how many seasons has it been on?

Jeff Dwoskin 20:18

I think third season just started so it's in the middle. He's on the new season. Correct. He was in one episode of the last season. Just the one that just aired. Yeah.

Cathy Ladman 20:27

Oh, okay. Okay. Did you see him on

Jeff Dwoskin 20:31

Kaminski method? Yes,

Cathy Ladman 20:32

he was great.

Jeff Dwoskin 20:33

He scared me. It scared us and all our friends for a minute because they made him look really old. Yeah. And aged. Because wasn't the Paul riser. I know in my right. I

Cathy Ladman 20:43

mean, close close to unrecognizable. He

Jeff Dwoskin 20:47

looked like horrible like, Oh my god. polarizer really let himself go. Yes. And then I saw him in something else. And we're like,

Cathy Ladman 20:54

Yeah, well, I knew that. That was not Paul. I mean, what I mean, I knew first I was like, Whoa, that's Paul. But I knew it was makeup. And a wig. I mean, I knew that. It was pretty extreme.

Jeff Dwoskin 21:06

It's a great series to he's great in it and great, great series as well. Terrific. Yes. All right. Let's get back to talking about Cathy Ladman. Oh, God.

Cathy Ladman 21:16

Isn't it interesting how I steer the conversation away from me though?

Jeff Dwoskin 21:19

No, but I love I thought it's good. I mean, I love hearing it like stories like that. To be honest. It's fun to get insight from people like you that know folks and all that kind of stuff.

Cathy Ladman 21:29

You know, Can I say one more thing about something else? Yeah, of course, that I just saw the movie Elvis. I loved it. It's gotten very mixed reviews. My friend Gail Berman produced it. And I'm incredibly proud of her. She's been successful in this business for years. But I'm very proud of this foray of hers and the guy who plays Elvis is so unbelievable. It's so worth seeing just for his performance.

Jeff Dwoskin 21:58

That's what I heard. I heard he's amazing.

Cathy Ladman 22:00

Yeah. And I was not a fan of Elvis Presley's I think I was a little a believer, and I'm a little too young. It's nice to say that I'm a little too young for that. I just kind of missed the Elvis stage. But this movie really gave me an appreciation for his work. It's great to see all right back to Cathy live.

Jeff Dwoskin 22:20

Oh, Cathy Ladman here

Cathy Ladman 22:24

is the D on your head for Dwoskin are Detroit Detroit Tigers. Oh, okay. Tigers. I thought you're not into sports.

Jeff Dwoskin 22:31

I like sports. And I like going to sports. Oh, enjoy. I can enjoy a sport

Cathy Ladman 22:36

but you're not you know, deep into it. You're not into the deep cuts of sports,

Jeff Dwoskin 22:40

not into the D like, you know, chill a nice day. I'm not gonna go to opening day if it's freezing.

Cathy Ladman 22:45

Right, right. Gotcha. I mean, I love baseball. I love it. And I was used to watch Dodger games all the time when I had access to them. Now I don't currently have access to them. But I definitely keep up on the scores on my ESPN app and the standings because I'm very interested in that. But I do miss watching the games.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:06

I like going to their Comerica Park where they play is really nice,

Cathy Ladman 23:10

isn't it? I just paid all the corporate names. Oh, yes. I hate it. Yes. I hate that. Shea Stadium is now well, it's a new it's a new stadium but it's Citi Field. And candlestick is was Qualcomm and I don't even know if it's still Qualcomm. But it was one of the first candlestick was one of the first ones that I remember being changed to a corporate name. It's like what? And it really, I mean, corporate America, I'm telling you, I'm not crazy about this country right now.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:41

Everything's corporate, but, you know, I guess they got to pay the bills, too, right. I mean, if if I could get somebody to pay my mortgage, i i would definitely have McDonald's house. That's a bad example. I'm gonna edit that out. I definitely have Burger King.

Cathy Ladman 23:59

Do you? Cast? Yeah, I can edit. Oh, I just want you to.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:03

So. So alright, so I

Cathy Ladman 24:07

got my attention. I'm a little my ADD. It's terrible. I'm all over the place.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:11

Oh, I wanted to ask about this. I heard you talking. You met Seinfeld. When you were young? Like in Israel? Yes. Right. Was it like birthright thing? Or is it whatever they call them? No,

Cathy Ladman 24:19

it wasn't birthright. I don't even know if they had birthright then. But we were we were on a like a, it was called history. Drouet was the name of the organization that had these tours. And we went to we toured for a couple of weeks with a group and then they dropped us. They dropped small groups off a different keyboard same and Jerry and I started going we started dating while we liked each other and we started. I mean, we weren't dating because we were on a tour. So we weren't going out places necessarily, but but we really liked each other and we became boyfriend and girlfriends throughout the summer and it and then it continued after the tour. And it turns out, you know, he grew up in Massapequa on Long Island Am I Dad had a bowling alley and Massapequa Park, which was the adjacent town and my dad knew his dad because their businesses were complementary like Jerry's dad made signs. And I remember my father saying, yeah, he's too expensive. Yeah, I don't use them. He's too expensive. But he didn't Jerry didn't drive at the time and neither did I. So we would rendezvous through my dad driving me there and then back and then sometimes I would stay over his house. Sometimes he would come back to Queens and stay at my house and and then we dated once again, when I went to Queens College for one semester, we connected and David again then and then we're friends.

Jeff Dwoskin 25:38

Sorry to interrupt this amazing conversation with Cathy Ladman, but we have to take a quick break. Last one, I promise. And we're back with Cathy Ladman. I was just about to make an amazing observation. And we're back while looking at some old Cathy Ladman clips on YouTube. Yeah. No. Oh, good. Okay, you got an Elaine Bennis thing going on? And those old years I rather like yeah. Look just like you.

Cathy Ladman 26:06

It's very true. You know, one time I did the Tonight Show with Jason Alexandar. And during a break, he said, you got that? That? Julia? Julie isn't here going on the week. We call it the wall of hair, he said. And this was back in the 80s. When you know, there was a lot of hair.

Jeff Dwoskin 26:22

Sure. What did is that? It? Was that your hair when you were dating Jerry?

Cathy Ladman 26:26

No, no, no, no, no, no, I had a shag when I was dating Jerry as did Hey,

Jeff Dwoskin 26:32

I just want her to if in the back of his head. He started a thing. And maybe

Cathy Ladman 26:35

he did you know, look,

Jeff Dwoskin 26:37

I made the character look like Cathy Ladman

Cathy Ladman 26:39

I think that were very, I mean, I don't want to speak for him. But I we both played a very significant part in each other's lives. He was my first love. I may have been his first love. And I was the one who told him that he'd be a great stand up comic. And he listened to me. Well, thank you look what I did for the world.

Jeff Dwoskin 26:59

I told this story on a different time I was talking about like Jerry Seinfeld was an early inspiration for me. When I was doing comedy. I'd seen him in concert and I added the ticket stuff from the concert and I kept it in my notebook that I kept, you know, where you could write you know, you jot down whatever. Sure. But I kept that with I mean, probably good. Five plus years, it was always in my back pocket, sort of as like an inspiration. Well,

Cathy Ladman 27:20

a little kind of what do you call it a talisman?

Jeff Dwoskin 27:23

Yeah, so ipso facto, what

Cathy Ladman 27:26

does ipso facto mean?

Jeff Dwoskin 27:27

I don't know. Okay,

Cathy Ladman 27:29

thank you, but thanks for using it. No, thanks for having the courage.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:33

I think though I think what it means is that therefore you're you have some you had some as well, you know,

Cathy Ladman 27:41

we're Ipsos were used to hear the term ipso facto a lot was on some cartoon where there was a scientist and the dog the dog was, oh, yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 27:51

I know. It's your time I like Rocky and Bullwinkle. Clint wasn't rocking. It wasn't rocking bollock. But like they played with them dandy.

Cathy Ladman 27:57

Yeah, it was it was a we may have been the same. Maybe it was Hanna Barbera who did 30 minutes a mill? Yeah. All right. So once again steered away from caffeine.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:11

No, that's good. We did we were talking about you told me all about your romance with Jerry. Yes. It's cool. All right. So that's all good. Sue Kolinsky. We mentioned that earlier, you were in the aristocrats. Yes. With with Sue and Carrie. Yes. Right. And so that's fun. I have variants on this show that I love that the whole aristocrats thing is so cool. And

Cathy Ladman 28:32

all the people involved. What a great idea for a movie, huh?

Jeff Dwoskin 28:35

Oh, yeah. Paul riser actually had a good one. I think ball was a Paul Provenza was a ball riser was like if I knew anyone would ever see this, I would have done I would call my hairs. Right. That's so

Cathy Ladman 28:45

funny. But you know that that movie actually created the resurgence in Bob Saget. So I miss him. Career because nobody knew. But his friends and colleagues. Nobody knew how filthy Bob was. America knew him from Full House and America's Funniest Home Videos, basically, very short time on the morning, CBS Morning Show. Then he did the aristocrats, and he was all out there. And that really gave him license to be who he was on a national basis.

Jeff Dwoskin 29:22

He really crushed them over. He was well, I think Hamilton Gilbert Godfried were

Cathy Ladman 29:26

probably well, I mean, you know, they Well, they they made the movie a lot about them, because they were so fantastic in

Jeff Dwoskin 29:34

it. I remember seeing Bob Saget in concert it was part of Anthony and Opie virus tour where it was like, right it's been sia and you know, just a ton of folks and Bob Saget was in there. I feel like I always knew I probably because I was in in comedy. So I was like, oh, is everyone he's not that he's not the dad from found out from full house. Right. I know. That's the best known secret but yeah, did show and it shocked

Cathy Ladman 29:59

a lot of But it was the perfect it was the perfect vehicle for him. Yeah, it

Jeff Dwoskin 30:03

was awesome was awesome. I just watched the mike binder made a tribute to him on Netflix and

Cathy Ladman 30:10

they did a whole video when i is I'm sure I can still watch it. Yeah, it's on Netflix. Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:15

Yeah. I had Mike binder on the show. I don't say that to name drop. By the way. I'd say it's so when people are

Cathy Ladman 30:20

like, Mike. I mean, Detroit also. Yeah, also.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:23

Right. Right. Right. He's from Yeah, so not name dropping to impress you. I do that. So people can go, Oh, I'll go listen to that episode. It's.

Cathy Ladman 30:32

So I never it never even crossed my mind that you were name dropping.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:35

I just wanted to let you know. So

Cathy Ladman 30:39

when did you stop doing stand up?

Jeff Dwoskin 30:41

I still do. Well, when the pandemic had I kind of put it on pause. And so and then what happened was just just me, just me. But I was one of those people like a year and we're all the clubs are like, okay, we can do this. I'm like, no, 2021 I was like, January, like, No, this isn't over, folks. And so I missed all of 2021

Cathy Ladman 31:04

Yeah, I mean, I my standard has really waned really wanes. And then I just did my solo show. And that took up so much of my time and energy and focus that I you know, I really haven't been haven't been doing a lot of stand up. But I, I want to get back into it. To some degree. I'm really digging this solo show that I just did. Alright, so let's talk about that. All right. That's a natural segue.

Jeff Dwoskin 31:30

That is, let's do it. Does this show make me look fat or coffee, lad men. Comedians, take on anorexia, tell us all about it.

Cathy Ladman 31:40

It's about my eating disorder, which blossoms when I was about 18 or so. And a lot of it is about my childhood. I mean, you know, it covers my childhood, and what kind of a family I grew up in and what my parents were like, and how much my life lacked control, and how I needed to manufacture control in my life. As we all do, I was just talking to a friend of mine, how like, the universe is chaotic. And we as humans, try to make things orderly, to give us the illusion of control, which we really don't have. But that was my personal journey. And it turned into, through a series of events turned into me struggling for perfectionism, and deciding that I was going to be the skinniest person alive, and I got down to under 85 pounds. And I'm five, I'm five foot four. So that gives you maybe a bit of a context for that. And, you know, it was really weird, because, you know, I worked on I've had the idea for this show for like, 21 years, I worked on it for a while with one person, and then it wasn't really going anywhere. And then I worked on it with someone else. And that really wasn't going anywhere. And then a friend of mine said when she saw me do a reading of what I had been working on, she said, you're missing from this year, there's no Cathy Ladman in this, she says, If you want, I would love to help you create this show. So we started working together about three years ago. And she really got me to put it on stage. And we did it the beginning of June for three shows. And you know, we've been performing it we've been writing it and not performing it and rehearsing it so much. And we were in such a vacuum. Like really, with not much feedback. I mean occasion I did. I did one reading for Sue and Monica and Debbie that group and kind of a little bit of feedback. But but for the most part, we really were doing it in a vacuum and I did not know what to expect. Was it going to be entertaining? Was it going to be mawkish? Was it going to be boring. I mean, I really no idea what to expect. And it was like beyond my wildest dreams if I had even dreamt them, which I hadn't, because I just I couldn't even go there. But it went so well. And it's like, so exciting for me. And I really want to keep doing it. And now I have to figure out how to make money doing it.

Jeff Dwoskin 34:02

It's great that you were able to tackle this and put it all together. But yeah, though, what was the feedback in terms of Were there people there that it just in terms of the reaction of because I imagined something like this can help a lot of people?

Cathy Ladman 34:14

Yes. And that's that's also you know, one of my, one of my goals is to help people through this. I really do feel like putting it out there is a way for me to help people who are because it's a very secretive I mean, it's secretive to up to a point when you see someone who's anorexic, it's not a big secret because they look so clearly coolly. Ill, I said clearly, clearly, but I said clearly when I write the word was clearly and I didn't say clearly. But having an eating disorder. It's a it's a real disease of isolation, and it's something that people don't like to talk about. And for some reason, it seems to be easier or more comfortable in our society. Talking about obesity than it is talking about anorexia or bulimia. They're very frightening diseases to people. I think maybe because they just look like death. You know, I mean, like you'd be, you know, people who have anorexia like they look like they're walking skeletons, and it's very scary. And also anorexics. I thought I was doing great. I thought I was fantastic. I thought I was absolutely envy of everyone. And the show shows how I got to a place of recovery how people how I had these little eight little angels in my life who came into my life who one person helped me get to a doctor, another person helped me get to family therapy and other person helped me get to Overeaters Anonymous. There are like touch points and touchstones in my life that helped me along the way to get to a person who's who's not recovered, but recovering, because I don't think you're ever really recovered from this kind of a disease, much like alcoholism,

Jeff Dwoskin 35:58

it's a lifetime thing that you have to always be it is, you know, I

Cathy Ladman 36:01

mean, I'm, I mean, I look like a normal person. Now, I don't really look skinny. I'm a thin person. But I say this in my show, that part of me misses people like going, Oh, my God, you, you look so skinny, like part of me misses that. Like that was where I put my specialness. That was what made me unique. That's I mean, I had such low self esteem. As funny as I was, my parents did not push me into show business, as I know, that's not so unusual. But there are a lot of parents who would and I hope I'm one of them, who see a quality and a desire and a kid and say, good, excellent. Go for it, do it, do it to your heart's content. You know, my parents weren't there. No, it's not practical. And you know, as you know, leaning up be a good idea. And you get that enough in your life, you start really doubting yourself. And that's what happened to me. So that I mean, that kind of encapsulates the show a little bit. But it's not really I mean, I'm not giving the whole show way by saying that. I mean, there are characters in the show. I do my parents in the show, which is so much fun to do. So much fun to play them. They argue a lot.

Jeff Dwoskin 37:17

Well, I'm glad I'm glad these angels came into your life. I'm glad you were able to do it. And you know, it's, it must be fulfilling to be able to kind of put something like this together, knowing that it's probably helping you there. Yes, every, but then also just the amount of people you're going to help. That's a blessing. Yeah. And

Cathy Ladman 37:32

also, it's not just the show doesn't just speak to people who have eating disorders. It's a lot about control and perfectionism and not feeling like you're good enough. And, and I think those are very, very universal experiences.

Jeff Dwoskin 37:46

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So what was some of that? What was some of the feedback that you got? I

Cathy Ladman 37:51

got amazing feedback. Amazing, amazing feedback back and I got some, you know, I had some prominent people come to the show, you know, people who were my friends, and I asked for quotes from them. And I got such great quotes that I'm like, I'm just so gratified. I'm so gratified. So what we're going to do is put together a sizzle reel, and then put some of the quotes up on cards in between scenes, and then use it as a marketing tool.

Jeff Dwoskin 38:19

So what's what's next to try to get investors to get to expand it a theater?

Cathy Ladman 38:24

Yeah, I'm not quite sure I actually, I have a meeting on Friday with, with someone that I who used to do stand up with me and is now in a different part of the entertainment business. And he offered me the chance to talk to him, he said, If you want to talk to me about this, I'd be more than happy to talk to you about it. I may have some ideas for you where you can go with the snacks. And I said great. So we're gonna meet and discuss that.

Jeff Dwoskin 38:48

Well, that's exciting that you mentioned that you've been working on this for some

Cathy Ladman 38:53

21 years. I had the license. I had the idea. Yeah, but I hadn't been working on it solidly for for 21 years.

Jeff Dwoskin 39:01

I watched your TEDMED talk that you did. Yes. Which is on the same topic. Yes. Was that a one time thing that you did? Or was that it was a one time thing? Yeah. Because that was very that was powerful to watch. That was okay. I have no private active. Okay. I saw you do some of the lines and other stand up routine right? Maybe maybe got bigger laughs But I think you're delivering the Ted Man. Oh,

Cathy Ladman 39:24

yeah, it was. It was really a bad bad time of day to do it. It was the morning I did not have a great response. So it was it was kind of that was kind of disappointing, but I'm glad it was powerful for you.

Jeff Dwoskin 39:36

Oh, I came off more more serious. I think I think your delivery was more serious. Right. Then when you would do it like on Ferguson or something right? Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. But it was it came off. It was very, it was really powerful. I thought so. Thank you. I didn't even know TEDMED was the thing but there it is. Yeah, there it is mad men.com. I look forward to like where that goes.

Cathy Ladman 39:59

Oh yeah. I mean, I'll definitely if I if I take it to Detroit, I will be letting you know, boy, front row. Yep, absolutely. Absolutely.

Jeff Dwoskin 40:10

Let's talk about more important things like the Hokey Pokey. What is it really?

Cathy Ladman 40:16

Yeah, it was interesting because my brother in law got so mad because then he saw bumper stickers like that, and T shirts like that. And he said, That's yours. I said, Yeah, well, no copyright.

Jeff Dwoskin 40:25

Right? When did you make the transition from doing stand up to being more of a writer? Or do you feel like you always kind of just balanced the two like you wrote for Roseanne King of Queens?

Cathy Ladman 40:36

Oh, yeah. I mean, I didn't write a lot. I didn't, I didn't, I really wasn't happy with that kind of job. And like, part of me was like, Jesus, if I had stayed with that, for this many years, I would have had quite a different career. If I'd stayed on that path, but I

Jeff Dwoskin 40:52

didn't want that career. It's a grind. Right?

Cathy Ladman 40:55

It's really hard. And it was frustrating for me because I wanted to be on the stage performing. I didn't want to be in the writers room. So I consciously left. I was writing on Carolina in the city and I left in the middle of the season. I just, I just didn't want to keep doing it.

Jeff Dwoskin 41:11

Got it. Yeah, I remember. I remember that show. I love to have him back to the future. And of course, Howard the Duck. Right, right. Oh, I was watching clips on your website. The Modern Family clip hilarious. It was really funny.

Cathy Ladman 41:27

Oh, God was that fun to do? They were so fun to work with. I mean, coming on his show like that as a guest star with people who have been working together for so long. They oh my god, they they know their characters. They know what they're doing. It's so It's really amazing to watch them. And they were great people, both of them. And I'm so happy that that Jesse just won a Tony Award. That was really exciting. Oh,

Jeff Dwoskin 41:55

that's cool. That's awesome. Yeah. It's always fun when people you know, win awards. It's always cool.

Cathy Ladman 42:00

It is nice. And you know, you know how hard I mean, I know how hard these people work. I know it.

Jeff Dwoskin 42:05

Yeah. The two of them Mitchell and Cameron. Those characters. Yes. And you just and then you were Mitchell's therapist on the show. And you just played right into his neuroses?

Cathy Ladman 42:17

Yes. Well, I Yes. I still have a session available.

Jeff Dwoskin 42:23

And then mad man, you got to dress up. That must have been fun.

Cathy Ladman 42:26

That was so fun. And you know what they give you authentic wardrobe right down to your undergarments. They want everything authentic on that show, pointy bra, saying that like underwear, stockings with garters. I mean it was just very authentic period piece. And so fun to work with these people.

Jeff Dwoskin 42:49

Yeah, so that was a scene with Elisabeth Moss not a person that didn't know now.

Cathy Ladman 42:55

Right? Well, I mean, I really don't know her but but it was it she's she was great to work with.

Jeff Dwoskin 42:59

So that was a Handmaid's Tale joke. I was just I know. I know. I know. I want to go there. Alright, let's talk about Curb Your Enthusiasm. All right. I love talking about curb with with folks. Because everybody has the same experience, but they're like they have such joy being in working with Larry David. Improv environment.

Cathy Ladman 43:18

I had a dream about Larry last night that that I just realized that.

Jeff Dwoskin 43:22

Oh, yeah. What was it? Where are you? Um,

Cathy Ladman 43:25

I can't remember exactly. But we were laughing so hard about something. And that's not an experience that I've had with him. But we were laughing so hard about something. He was sitting next to me and his leg. His leg was crossed over. So his knee was sort of his bottom, the bottom part of his leg was parallel to the floor. And we were laughing so hard that I like leaned over onto his knee. And we were just like, falling on each other. We were laughing so hard. That was very fun. But my experience working with Larry was was great. He's very receptive. He was great listener, very positive, you know, told you what he liked. And I mean, obviously, he wasn't a director, but I mean, the director and he allows the director to direct but he definitely says that was great. That was really great. And yeah, I mean, it was very, very, it felt like a group effort.

Jeff Dwoskin 44:18

Got it. You were in a twice but you play two different character characters.

Cathy Ladman 44:21

Yes. Yes, it was fun. The first time I played myself, right. And then but the second time your hair was different. My hair was gray and very different. Yeah. And the first time I hit was dark and long. Yeah. And I was wearing a poncho that I knitted the first time. It's very proud.

Jeff Dwoskin 44:37

You're a knitter.

Cathy Ladman 44:38

I'm a knitter. Nice. I do love knitting. My wife makes

Jeff Dwoskin 44:42

Afghan so she used to make these giant Afghans and

Cathy Ladman 44:46

in fact, I may have been to a knitting store in Roy, is it Royal Oak net? Whoa, what's the other one? Birmingham? Oh, Birmingham,

Jeff Dwoskin 44:54

right? Yeah, yeah, there's a Birmingham and Royal Oak. Right. So have you done comedy and Detroit are filmed in Detroit. writer

Cathy Ladman 45:00

I did comedy once at is it the comedy? What's it called? Comedy arc? Ridley's comedy. Yes. Yes. Was a long time ago. How's that club doing?

Jeff Dwoskin 45:11

It's good. Good. It's a club. Great. Yeah. Yeah. I used to play there all the time. So I guess I will I have a couple of dates. Good this year. I'll be at the mark Grizzlies comedy castle in August. Well, yeah. Yeah. Oh, good. Do you want to come you can? I'll get you on. I'll get you five. Who did you come up with? Did you I mean, did sue in them? Have you become friends later? Are you in my

Cathy Ladman 45:36

own? I came soon. I met in the 80s. We actually met. Well, I met her once briefly at stand up New York, in New York, which is kind of self explanatory, I guess. Right. But then we really we really not got to know each other when we weren't together at a club in Oklahoma City. And we share the condo and at the time, I was going out with Steve middlemen. Do you know Steve? Yeah, he was. He and I were together for three and a half years. And one of the things that Suze a huge sports fan, and she was watching football and Steve was very excited that she about the prospect of CEU explaining football to me. And football was just, you know, I think is a game that I really never really connected with. Although this past Super Bowl, I actually started to understand it and it was fun. It was fun, but it's a violent game. And I don't I don't I don't like I don't like to headbanging No, it's yeah, there's a lot of concussions and yeah, I don't like that. And that was a wonderful film by the way. Yeah, I thought well, Smith Smith. Yeah. Yeah, I'm

Jeff Dwoskin 46:44

I'm more of the into the commercials and halftime show. Yeah. And I go to the Super Bowl parties.

Cathy Ladman 46:49

Well, my friend Mindy. We had a commercial on for the Super Bowl. She played for Alfa Bisnar in Austin. Yeah, Mindy Sterling.

Jeff Dwoskin 46:58

Okay. I love her. Yeah, she was funny, right? Yeah, she's hilarious. She was really funny and all those that was a fun that was a fun. One of they do those throwback commercials where they bring back something like that. Yes. I feel like that was for GM or something wasn't one of the

Cathy Ladman 47:13

I think it was for GM because it was a Chevy is Chevy GM

Jeff Dwoskin 47:18

car. Oh, yeah. Everything was an electric car. Commercial, electric car, right or Bitcoin or something? Right?

Cathy Ladman 47:24

That's right. Right. Right. But it was very funny. I thought it was really good commercial.

Jeff Dwoskin 47:28

That was that was a great commercial. Yeah. Okay, so I know I've had you for such a long time. I appreciate it. But there's one at least one more thing I want to tell us is the three Stu jets.

Cathy Ladman 47:39

Oh my god. I think the favorites. My favorite thing I've ever done. Hilarious. You two of them. And then we got a letter I received a letter from the Howard family to cease and desist. Oh really? Yes. Or else they would pursue legal actions.

Jeff Dwoskin 47:56

I think I've only seen one of them. There was one I thought on your YouTube. I know I said I've only seen one. Oh, okay. The second one.

Cathy Ladman 48:03

Which one? Did you see? The one with the restaurant? The one

Jeff Dwoskin 48:07

that ends with? The guys running away

Cathy Ladman 48:09

with you? Oh, that's that's the blind dates, right? Oh my god and Judy tal who played Larry elder. Yeah. Oh, my God. And she left us to she she died a while ago. No. I know. I know. And Judy NASM Mets who played curling and is still a friend of mine. Great that they were both of them are really funny. It was so excellent. That was so excellent. Well, let's

Jeff Dwoskin 48:32

not forget you as Maureen Maureen. That's

Cathy Ladman 48:35

right. Oh, man, it was really I mean, I knew I was going to be mo it's just it's just my more my personality when they

Jeff Dwoskin 48:42

give you this legal cease and desist? Was there specifics? Like it? Was it because you said the three sujets? And

Cathy Ladman 48:48

it was just well, um, I don't you know, I don't remember and I may have the letters filed away someplace, but I'm sure it was the it was sure. It was the title and the likenesses were clearly the Stooges. I mean, that was that.

Jeff Dwoskin 49:01

So what did your lawyer say? What would have been the issue? Like, did they have a case? Did you what was your lawyers? Oh,

Cathy Ladman 49:07

I knew they had a case from the letter. I mean, it was just, it was not, it was not I mean, there was the Howard it was the Howard estate versus me and they were going to win. And I you know, I just I understood their position. But it was too bad. You know, it was too you know, it was too bad that they didn't like say this is great, but we but this is infringing on on our property, and maybe you'd like maybe we can collaborate on this and maybe they could have made some money on it. But unfortunately, that's not the approach they took.

Jeff Dwoskin 49:38

Yeah, cuz it was really well done. It looked like an old clip. It was wasn't a great

Cathy Ladman 49:41

I mean, the production value was so great and shooting it was so much fun.

Jeff Dwoskin 49:47

Oh my god, you probably had a blast.

Cathy Ladman 49:49

Oh my god. Well, this one shot in that particular one where you can see they cut away right before I left it and we had to do this one over and over. It's when they throw cold claim in my face. is oh right, right. Okay, when you're getting ready. Yeah. Oh my god, we were laughing so hard. It was just delightful. It was just it was exhausting and delightful.

Jeff Dwoskin 50:10

Was that a short film you made for a festival or?

Cathy Ladman 50:13

No, it was for this show. Remember? What was it called? Comic Strip live the show that was on then they had a Sunday show called Sunday comics. And it was for the Sunday show. And an ex boyfriend of mine wrote these and he's no longer with us. I mean, everybody's everybody's dead. That'll be the name of this episode. Everybody's

Jeff Dwoskin 50:40

Cathy Ladman remembers. Yeah, you think like was Saturday live and all that like, what if this was for a comic strip show? And then this was like just a parody? I mean, you'd think anyway, all right. Well, at least it exists. And it's awesome. And it's on your YouTube.

Cathy Ladman 50:57

I know it does exist. And there were two of them. And I the first one was called Cafe calamities, and I really thought it was up on I thought it was up on YouTube.

Jeff Dwoskin 51:08

Maybe it is maybe I just saw the one and didn't get

Cathy Ladman 51:11

Yeah, let me know if you have trouble finding and I'll, I'll make sure to get it to you.

Jeff Dwoskin 51:16

Absolutely. Well, this has been awesome. Everybody listening to the hug a the what seemed like a weird Hokey Pokey transition was actually a joke from Cathy's HBO one night stand. Oh, my God.

Cathy Ladman 51:28

And I tell you something. I've watched that recently. And that is a little uncomfortable for me to watch. Oh, yeah. It's a little uncomfortable. I have changed a lot since then. I mean, look, it's a Sunday, how many years have gone by like, let me think 11. But like, 30 some odd years. I mean, I've changed a lot as a person. And I've changed a lot as a comic. So

Jeff Dwoskin 51:49

yes, a natural growth was when I watched the clips from now. It's yeah, it's just a okay, I've been doing this for 30 more years. So

Unknown Speaker 51:55

I'm just a lot more confident. I'm a lot more comfortable, right? I'm a lot more myself now than I was then,

Jeff Dwoskin 52:02

if your hair was longer and black, you'd look identical, you would look identical. That's so not true. I mean, I love this is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying but, you know, I think you would So, okay, I love your style. It's just I it's it's the type of kind of deliveries my style Jeff, it's like one of those where you make a joke, but you don't give up that you're not giving up the fact that it was a joke. Like you had to listen to it. And you know, and just so your rhythm and pauses and triggers, you know, that, you know, this was something funny, and that this was the big punch, right? And so like this is that's the type of,

Cathy Ladman 52:37

um, draw me is that your way of saying that I'm very dry. You are

Jeff Dwoskin 52:41

dry, but like I love but I think I am too. So I think that's why right. I like it so much. I really, I don't do well smart and you need to figure it out that this was a joke right now. Like,

Cathy Ladman 52:52

that's true. I make the audience work, which is why I don't do well on cruises.

Jeff Dwoskin 52:58

They want to be spoon fed. Yeah. Yeah.

Cathy Ladman 53:01

spoon fed and spoon fed and spoon fed. They just want to be fed on cruises.

Jeff Dwoskin 53:06

Did you see hacks on HBO? Yes. So amazing. Right.

Cathy Ladman 53:10

I know. I Hannah on binders a friend of mine. Eva.

Jeff Dwoskin 53:13

Okay. Yeah, Eva. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that is the two of them.

Cathy Ladman 53:17

They're great together. Amazing. I know.

Jeff Dwoskin 53:19

But the lesbian cruise episode.

Cathy Ladman 53:22

I know. That was so great. Not that far from my experience.

Jeff Dwoskin 53:28

So I'm sorry, I had a bad time on the cruise. That's okay. All right. So hopefully, it'll be touring soon. I hope so seeing Cathy on a cruise if you're on a cruise.

Cathy Ladman 53:40

Don't expect it.

Jeff Dwoskin 53:43

Thank you so much for hanging out with me.

Cathy Ladman 53:44

Oh, it's been a pleasure. Really a pleasure. Thank you. Both sides.

Jeff Dwoskin 53:49

CathyLadman.com. Where did you hang out on Twitter.

Cathy Ladman 53:55

I kind of have taken myself off of social media a little bit, but not like I had said to myself. I'm getting off social media. It's just I've slowed down a bit. I mean, I think I'm on Facebook more than anything else. And I know it's an older person's game, but I kind of like the fact that I can write more on Facebook. I just prefer that Instagram. You have to post a picture and I don't always have a picture with something that I want to say. Sure. And then Twitter. I don't know. I got kind of tired. What can I say? But you can find me occasionally on Twitter at Cathy Ladman and on Instagram Cathy Ladman1 because I made a mistake and couldn't delete the first ridiculous and then on Facebook, you know, Cathy Ladman?

Jeff Dwoskin 54:40

Alright, well, I'll put links in the show notes. Everyone can follow you everywhere. They want to follow you make it easier.

Cathy Ladman 54:48

I appreciate thank you so much. Oh, it's my pleasure, Jeff. Absolutely.

Jeff Dwoskin 54:52

All right. How amazing was Cathy Ladman I know you gotta check out the three Stu jets it's an amazing shorts. Cathy almost got sued over. So you owe it to her to head over to YouTube. Actually, they go to the shownotes. I put a link right to it in the show notes, her YouTube and a direct link to the three Sue jets. It's brilliant. It really is. Also Cathy's HBO one night stand is on YouTube. You can get all the caffeine you want 24 hours a day. I'm 47 days into Cathy law admin right now non stop having repeated joke once you can do it to head on over to YouTube. Oh, I did want to mention one thing. The boys season three is now complete. And I still recommend the whole thing. And Gabby's called me since the interview and started the boys. She's loving it in case anyone wanted an update. And polarisers actually in a second episode, so that was a joy as well. All right. All right. I think we're all caught up. All right, well, with the interview over it going to be one thing. That's right. It's time for another trending hashtag on the family of hashtags at hashtag round up. Download the free always free hashtag roundup app at the Google Play Store. Apple iTunes App Store. Follow us on Twitter at hashtag Roundup, tweet along with us tweet and one day one of your tweets may show up on a future episode of Classic conversations, fame and fortune awaits you. All right, this episode's hashtag comes from hashtag tavern or weekly Game On hashtag round up the hashtag hashtag brand name a song or a band the ultimate hashtag where you take a brand name of a company and mash it with a song a popular song or a band name. Of course, inspired by my conversation with Cathy Ladman. Where we talked about the corporate takeover of names of sports parks however, we didn't have a hashtag about brand Sports Park but we did have #BrandNameASongOrBand equally hilarious results All right, here are some #BrandNameASongOrBand tweets a JC Penney and the Jets jets jets. Oh no a song tag that means I sometimes try and sing alright, I'll try not to for your sake and enjoyment of #BrandNameASongOrBand. Miss Paul's fish sticks the traveling pills burries Oh, friends and lows places Almond Joy to the world. I couldn't I couldn't resist that one. All right, keep rocking these #BrandNameASongOrBand tweets. Derek and the dominos pizza Puma up the jam Sly and the Family Coldstone the Rolling Stones, KFC and the Sunshine Band. These are some amazing #BrandNameASongOrBand tweets the RB 50 twos fam I wish I was your love. You know you love my singing. I want your fed acts. The George Michaels classic and our final brand name a song or band tweet, panic at the Crisco Oh right. You got your own #BrandNameASongOrBand Mattia that you want to tweet head to the Twitter tweet at use the hashtag tag us at Jeff Dwoskin show on Twitter. I'll show you some Twitter love as always, all these tweets are retweeted at Jeff Dwoskin show show them some Twitter love as well like retweet them to your heart's content. And that brings the hashtag to a close well with the hashtag over and the interview over that can only mean, one thing and that's right episode 149 has come to a close I can't believe it. Time just flies by I want to thank again my amazing guest, Cathy Ladman. And of course, I want to thank all of you for coming back week after week. It means the world to me, and I'll see you next time.

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