#137 Superman Overload with Jeff East, Mariel Hemingway, Marc McClure, Sarah Douglas, Jack O’Halloran and more!

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All right, Margot, thank you so much for that amazing introduction. And you get this show go on each and every week, and this week was no exception. Welcome, everybody to Episode 137. of classic conversations. As always, I am your host, Jeff Dwoskin, bringing you that classic guest of conversations in the world. You're looking for classic, you've come to the right place. We've got a super special episode for you today. Oh my god, super Superman. That's right. A couple of weeks ago, I had the pleasure the opportunity nay the honor of attending a press event for the Motor City Comic Convention, hours before the convention even open their doors, and I got to meet with a ton of Superman legacy actors. It was quite a joy. It really was. I know I've been teasing this episode for a while. But here it is. We're here cue the music actually. So I don't have the rights to the music but play the Superman music in your head. If you if you can, it will help throughout this entire episode. I just I couldn't afford it. It was I tried. I made calls. I had my people call people. And then I realized, wait a minute. I don't have people. All right. So this episode is a little different than other episodes of the podcast. It is interviews but it's a bunch of interviews, shorter interviews, and then one longer one with Jeff east. Jeff ace wasn't at the Motor City Comicon Christopher Reeve Foundation event, but I had interviewed Jeff ease he was young Clark Kent and Superman a while ago for some reason had not released it. But here we are. What better place to put it. I'm talking to baby Clark Kent. Aaron Smolinski. And then Jeff, he's young Clark Kent. You get like so many Clark Henson this episode, it's, I believe, considered one of the most Clark Kent filled episodes of any podcast ever. So you're part of history. Tell your friends. So you're gonna hear a bunch of short interviews three, four minutes, whereas I made my way to talk to Aaron Smolinski who has baby Clark Kent, Mark mccluer Jimmy Olsen. Jack O'Halloran. Not Sara Douglas or sloth. Mariel Hemingway, I'm Superman for I did talk to Mark pillow who was nucular man and Superman for but unfortunately, the audio didn't work. We didn't test it. And he was the first person I talked to ah, but he was super cool. We actually had a really good conversation. I'm sorry, I can't share that with you. And then I also talked to well, Fredo Torres and Robert Vendetti, who are the writer and artists for the Superman 78 comic, the one thing they kind of keep in mind, there's a lot of background noise in those interviews, because I was actually on the floor of the Motor City Comic Con so you can hear some of the buzz of other stuff going on. So but that was super fun. And then the Jeff East interview is about a 20 minute interview where he talks about his experiences getting into acting and a lot about his experiences with Superman, which is a fascinating story, actually. So all that super bonus is coming up in just a few minutes. If you're like Jeff, I need even more Superman in my life. Where can I get more Superman? Well, you're in luck. Episode 51 of the podcast is a full interview with Jack O'Halloran. Jack talks a lot about Superman and his family, which is a fascinating story. If you haven't heard episode 51 with Jack O'Halloran. You're doing yourself a disservice. And you need to go fix that and go listen to jack right now. Well, not right now after this episode, and then also episode 119. With Roy Schwartz, author of is Superman circumcise Roy dives into a lot of the history of Superman and the creation of the character itself. So those are two more great resources for you to check out if you need even more Superman. I do want to thank everyone for taking the time to support our sponsors. When you support our sponsors, you're supporting us here at Classic conversations and that's how we keep the lights on. Hey, you know I do want to thank everyone. I love all the support I get week after week, the notes the DMS amazing I am when I can I love using this moment to share and spotlight some cool stuff that my friends are doing. Doug Cohen has this cool new company called virtual vacations you can send your pet on vacation. I mean if you love your cat Your Dog your llama, llama, whatever it no one's judging. They deserve the best, right because you love them so much and you want to send them on vacation. They're always bothering you to take them to Disney World. But so expensive virtual vacations solves everything. You just actually just send pictures of your pet to dog and they'll just Photoshop your pet into cool vacation photos. 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Aaron Smolinski 6:15

How are you doing? Fantastic. It's great to be here in Detroit in the Motor City. ComiCon and nice to meet you and everything. So you're all grown up? Can

Jeff Dwoskin 6:21

you lift this table up?

Aaron Smolinski 6:23

But I don't want to tip up you know, I'll get Mark and Jack and Sarah upset with me and I want to get Jack upset. If this was red, you could put this on I could I may just have one of these that's read that I brought with me.

Jeff Dwoskin 6:34

The baby baby Clark Kent cosplay. All right. Well, it was not good. It was your parents were they in the industry? How did they get you so

Aaron Smolinski 6:43

movie i So this part of the movie was filmed in Calgary Blackie, Alberta, Canada and I lived in Calgary. And there was a radio ad. We're having this big, you know, audition for this three roles. My parents took me down. And you know, there were they hired three of us and I was the three year old that wasn't a jerk and listen and did what I was told. So that's how pretty much it came. And I looked like Chris did when Chris was three. So they took pictures of us and pictures of Chris at that age and put it up. So that's

Jeff Dwoskin 7:08

how Yeah, oh, there you go. Simple. Yeah, so there's been a lot so you're in the whole legacy of Clark cans throughout the years. But all right, so that's really cool. And then you are also so I know you've been in five Superman movies. Yeah. Is this by accident are they like like the trivial nature of because you were in Superman a

Aaron Smolinski 7:27

little bit of both. So there was Superman one to both Superman shoes. And then Superman three was filmed in Calgary again and at that time, I was a kid actor in Calgary doing all the commercials and so they knew me and they thought it was a great you know, kind of segue so they hired me that but and then Manistee Oh, I actually reached out to Dick Donner and and said this could be the last Superman movie it'd be cool to be in the first and the last. So he sent myself to Zack Snyder and they wrote me in and yeah,

Jeff Dwoskin 7:53

okay, that's cool. Because I imagine you Mark McClure wakes up every morning because he's been in seventh right as I go check each other's IMDb

Aaron Smolinski 8:01

was like I was, you know, five of them. Luckily I got him fired because to Superman twos, but yeah, so he surpassed me.

Jeff Dwoskin 8:08

Yeah, Margolis, took the Justice League movies to best you

Aaron Smolinski 8:11

count that as a superman but

Jeff Dwoskin 8:17

very funny. Very funny. So. So now you're also Lex Luthor. And right you're gonna play Lex,

Aaron Smolinski 8:22

I'm gonna play Lex Luthor if that movie ever gets off the ground. But yeah, so that I mean, that's fantastic. And that will be, you know, a blast to do that. And I think a lot of people have reached out to me and they said, What a great idea. We can't wait to see that. So, and I love playing the bad guys too, even though lacks deep down and it's hard to get guidance.

Jeff Dwoskin 8:39

And then you were also were you into it was a three or four that you were in. I was in three, okay with the photography booth

Aaron Smolinski 8:45

at the photo booth. And that's actually my mom that plays my mom in Superman three. And that's the first time I met Chris and I I'll never forget to this day meeting and then my I was amazed because my hand disappeared when he went into his hand when I shook his hand and then coincidentally when I met Henry Cavill on mana steel, I got the same feeling meeting him that I got when I met Chris. So it was really I knew Superman was in good hands with Henry when I met

Jeff Dwoskin 9:09

my daughter was in Superman v Batman or Batman v Superman, whichever one she was in the Day of the Dead scene, or the makeup. So my wife went down with them. They filmed that in Detroit, right? And they were on and she just like was like, got to stare at Henry Cavill and the Superman, and he's like, leaning against his car and his iPhone in between takes. And she got to touch the Batmobile. So it was like a real geek moment for someone who didn't deserve it.

Aaron Smolinski 9:33

You're like, it's funny, because I remember people like what was Henry like when you met him? And like, I hated them. They're like, really? I'm like, Yeah, because here you got this chiseled, great looking guy with these blue eyes. And then he's got a British accent and he's nice and like he's got every quality accent accent thank you so much. It was my pleasure. Thank you. I appreciate I get a picture. Absolutely.

Jeff Dwoskin 9:54

Oh, fair warning. Every one of those interviews ends with Can I get a picture Aaron Zwolinski ladies and gentlemen Let's get the ball rolling and move right into Jimmy Olsen himself. Marc Mclure I'm here with Marc I'm here with Marc McClure. Jimmy Olsen.

Marc McClure 10:12

Let's get ready to rumble.

Jeff Dwoskin 10:16

What's up? You would like to thread your the thread of all the Superman movies and Supergirl?

Marc McClure 10:21

Yes, I was. Yes, I was. That was pretty good. That's pretty good. He was. Well, Jimmy. He's pretty identifiable. Yeah, you know what I mean? So when you see him in his bow tie, you go with his Jimmy Olsen. There wasn't too many. Too many characters that kind of had his swag.

Jeff Dwoskin 10:41

Right of all the extra characters. Yeah, very visually.

Marc McClure 10:44

You just see somebody walking by with a bow tie. You kind of see Jimmy Olsen, right? Or who it is. Right? You go to Jimmy. Oh, that guy's trying to be Jimmy Olsen. You know, because nobody really does the bowtie.

Jeff Dwoskin 10:56

Nobody does you? Nobody rocks a bowtie? Nobody rocks. Give me rise about time. So. Okay, so what's your favorite? Do you have a favorite memory? Like of Jimmy Olsen, it gets seen with Christopher Reeve or just in any of the Superman.

Marc McClure 11:12

The favorite memory would be when we're up on wires, filming something early on. And Chris asked me to I was rambling on, you know, and he asked me to be in character. He asked me to kind of act like Jimmy. And we're up on the wires were like, way up there. And he's got his outfit on. And in that moment, I realized, you know, this guy needs me to help him out. And from then on, anytime I was on the set, I would give him Jimmy, you know, because I knew he needed it. And Chris had a lot of responsibility in that film. And I'll always remember that moment that, you know, he kind of taught me how to help him how to get through that project. And it was so cool. And it was just so cool that we were it was just me and him up there. And so you kind of look at him. And at the time, I probably didn't really appreciate it like I do now. But I was up there was Superman on wires on a stage. I was 20 years old. It was just all so surreal.

Jeff Dwoskin 12:28

It's so cool.

Marc McClure 12:30

It was just like a moment that was like how did I get here? How did I get here?

Jeff Dwoskin 12:37

It's so cool. It's so cool. But you weren't you weren't too Freaky Friday movies, the Back to the Future franchise. And so you're like, I'm a sequel?

Marc McClure 12:43

If it wasn't for Rambo. I probably be the kid. I don't know who is the king of sequel.

Jeff Dwoskin 12:49

But I gotta be up to you gotta be out there. Right. That'd be up there.

Marc McClure 12:52

I don't know what the number is. We should find that out. He said, Yeah, there should be an award like a $500 gift certificate to Starbucks or something.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:01

I just feel about Zack Snyder killing off Jimmy Olsen.

Marc McClure 13:05

It was well they never really said it though. But everybody explained that that's what it

Jeff Dwoskin 13:09

was and the extended version and the extended version. Did they say Jimmy lookout or whatever. They make it clear that it's more in the diversion that was in the theater. In the longer version? Yeah. Really is like some FBI guy who was

Marc McClure 13:24

I haven't seen either of the Justice League and I'm in.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:27

I know you've been in everything. I was joking with Aaron that you guys wake up in the morning check each other's IMDb and see which one of you has to get into another Superman movie? Yeah,

Marc McClure 13:35

I've got to watch them. I haven't seen both of Zach's. I haven't seen either one. And I haven't seen the who was the Daniel, who's the director of the other one that took over. There was another director involved.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:50

Oh, Joss Whedon. Josh. Yeah.

Marc McClure 13:53

And that was all kind of strange.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:56

Bizarre. Very cool. I think they wanted to wrap up, but I thank you so much. Your Business great.

Marc McClure 14:02

No, it was very good. And it's good to be here. And thank you very much for supporting Christopher Reeve Foundation. You know, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Chris. You knocked it out of the park. And in my lifetime. He is the one and only Superman and I'm hoping that somebody comes along and, you know, takes the baton or takes the cape. But I haven't seen it yet.

Jeff Dwoskin 14:23

Well, we'll keep it okay. We'll keep it thank you so much. Should I get a quick picture? Sure. Oh, I filled up my camera roll. Believe you me up next from Superman for the amazing. Mariel Hemingway. All right here with Mariel Hemingway. Thank you so 35 years Superman for yes. I just feel like Time goes by so fast, doesn't it and like, like what's your fondest memory of the movie?

Mariel Hemingway 14:54

Oh my God, there's so I loved me. I loved making that movie. We were in England, we went to Pinewood Studios, you know, back in the day, and it was such a, it was such an incredible adventure. So I got to live there for two months and just being in that atmosphere and working with Gene Hackman. Hello, that was extraordinary. And Chris, because Chris was a really wonderful and, and deeply kind human being. So it was great. It was great. And Mark and I had a blast. We were just talking about it. You know, it was fun and team, McClure and oh my god, it's just all it's awesome.

Jeff Dwoskin 15:36

You got to you got to fly around with Superman. Fly around nuclear man. You're an answer, man, and you get to crush on Clark Kent. I did.

Mariel Hemingway 15:47

And that's it. You know, in the final version, you didn't see all the crashing stuff that was going on. Like there was a lot of flotation but they had to cut it out because it kind of was in conflict with the morrow counterpart.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:01

Goes all about Superman, your HBO Max, when there's a lot of crashing, there's a lot of Oh, yeah, like I was when I was watching the movie recently. It's interesting, because a lot of the journalistic themes are still relevant today.

Mariel Hemingway 16:16

How crazy is it? It's like It's bizarre. Yeah, you know, we've we're back to a Cold War. We're back to like crazy at the end. Now. It's a it's a bit. It's a bit bizarre. Yeah, the world is cyclical. So yeah, come back around, right.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:30

Yeah. Everything kind of circles around. So I, you know, if you don't mind me as Can I ask you about a different movie? I had, I had Mike binder on my podcast. And so part of that I watched the sex monster,

Mariel Hemingway 16:43

the funniest movie ever amazing. My favorite film that I've ever made was the set sponsor. And I always say, and it wasn't a porno.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:53

It's not at all. He's such a good

Mariel Hemingway 16:55

man. He's so funny. And he's so talented. It is one of the funniest films ever. It was an HBO film, and it's just it's hilarious. I think he's so good. He's so funny in it. You know, that seems like a sneeze causes the pizza guy to tell him all about

Jeff Dwoskin 17:14

it. Yeah, it's over. It's so great. I was just like, it was one of those areas I eat or discover when you're doing research. And it was just so great. You're so funny. So everything. So that's awesome. When people come up to you about Superman for though, like, what's the one thing they kind of talked to you about or want to? Well,

Mariel Hemingway 17:30

I think I think people want to know what it was like to work with Christopher, you know, and because, and what's great about this comic con is that, you know, it's in support of the Christopher Reeve Foundation, which is awesome. Because we need to bring attention to those kinds of things. I have a I have a foundation called the Mariel Hemingway foundation. It was really about mental health. So I get it, I get the need to use kind of entertainment as a way to talk about things that are uncomfortable or that we need that need to be paid attention to.

Jeff Dwoskin 18:04

Right. It's important to get those messages out. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much.

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Jeff Dwoskin 18:09

Can I take a picture real quick? Of course. How jealous Are you that I have a picture with Mariel Hemingway Oh, yes, yes, I do. It was fun talking about the sex monster with her as well that I watched when I was prepping for my interview with Mike binder. You can check out the full interview with Mike binder where we talk about that movie and episode 102 of the podcast as we mentioned at the beginning of the conversation with Marielle it's been 35 years since Superman for that was sort of the milestone that was the driver for this legacy reunion. So that was pretty cool. I do wish I could share with you my conversation with Mark pillow nuclear man. It was actually pretty cool. But the sound didn't work weren't weren't were that was a horrible sound effect, but I made it myself anyway. I'm proud proud of me. Alright, so let's move on to the krypton baddies. Let's turn this over to Sarah Douglas. Let's turn this over to the amazing Sarah Douglas. All right, we're Sarah Douglas. How are ya?

Sarah Douglas 19:12

I am absolutely delightful. How you I

Jeff Dwoskin 19:14

am so good. I am so good. One of the big baddies from Superman and Superman to

Sarah Douglas 19:19

not so much of the big you know, not so much of the

Jeff Dwoskin 19:22

big but like in terms of like powerful. That's all right. I'm just a badass.

Sarah Douglas 19:27

That'll do badass. Yeah, like that. Or as I would say bad OS but doesn't have the same ring to it. Does

Jeff Dwoskin 19:33

it? Yeah, go hell and back. Yeah, he's big. He's big. He's a good guy. The so what's your what's your like fondest memories of just being an evil baddie beating up on Superman.

Sarah Douglas 19:46

You know what? They were. There have been so many memories of it. It came so naturally to me to be so mean. Because it was a big in the mornings every morning. It was a long Hold to take my very long hair and put it into a short cropped wig. You know, the white makeup that everything stuck up, everything strapped down it was I used by the time I got on the set, I felt mean. And the rest is history and came very, very naturally. I loved, I loved I loved everything about it, we had the best time, but we are talking about 40 some odd years ago when anything was possible. So when they say to you, okay, Miss Douglas, we want you to stand on that windowsill and jump off and fly to the other side of the set. You did it. I didn't do any. I didn't work out. I wasn't trained to do anything. I wasn't shown how to do anything. We just did it. Nowadays, of course, I'd been completely terrified of everything. But back then it was all it was all exciting. And it was all new. And they hadn't quite figured out how we should fly. Or how we did fly. I mean, obviously we were on wires. But there were days when we we crashed into each other on days where we were hanging up there and I wanted to go to the loo and you couldn't get down because you are up. And you know, the whole thing was just exciting. Very exciting.

Jeff Dwoskin 21:06

I was the whole experience of filming both of the movies at the same time.

Sarah Douglas 21:13

Well, obviously, for us, we really shot the percentage of Superman to was shot at the beginning. Obviously we did the same with Brando. And again, you know, you're a 27 year old actress and of my era to be working with Marlon Brando is the most overwhelmingly exciting thing you can imagine. I mean, I was just well, so we did that. And then they were really concentrating on on too, which is why we then had a break. A few months later, they realized the powers that be that they hadn't got enough of, of Superman one in the can. So they put us on hold, which I loved because I had what was called a pay or play contract. And they said, You come back in a couple of months. And I didn't come back in a couple of months, and I got paid for it. See, I love those sorts of deals. That's great. I love those deals. And then when we finally did come back, we then continued and of course it was sorry about the noises. Just tell him when we finally came back, it was it was a different director. So that in itself was was quite a challenge and experience. But again, I you know, I was 27 The world was my oyster, I was already doing very well in England. And I just took it in my stride as if it was the most normal thing in the world to be reshooting something as we did for a lot of the scenes with a completely different director. So it's great experience for me. Great experience. Loved it.

Jeff Dwoskin 22:38

Awesome. What's your fondest memory of Christopher Reeve?

Sarah Douglas 22:43

I think really, right at the very beginning, right within the first few days, St. Christopher. The first day he went to fly, lifting his arms up to fly, and then discovering that Superman sweats, spires, and we had to hold, everything's needed. And then it No. And I remember the whole thing on the set. It's like Oh My Goodness me. And so that held things up. So those are the little lovely moments that we remember. Are those crazy little moments. Yeah, no, he was. He was so useful and so keen. And we all were in the beginning. We got a little jaded by the end. Certainly have to you know, we all had aches and pains and injuries and colds and chest infections and hanging on a wire upside down is, you know, it can be really tough, especially when you're a supervillain you can't carry a tissue with you

Jeff Dwoskin 23:36

right now. Okay. Yeah, it's just not yet a badass reputation.

Sarah Douglas 23:40

Yeah, exactly. No, it was. The members are definitely of those early days. The very first days on the set and seeing him and just thinking, because I'd met him in real close real time. And then suddenly he comes on the set of Superman. And

Jeff Dwoskin 23:57

he was, it is an amazing transformation. It

Sarah Douglas 24:00

really is. It's a brilliant transformation. Yeah, brilliant.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:03

Well, you're brilliant. And thank you so much for hanging out with

Sarah Douglas 24:06

me very much. And it's been lovely talking to you. Let's talk about you now. Okay. What are your hobbies?

Jeff Dwoskin 24:12

My hobbies?

Sarah Douglas 24:12

What do you like to do?

Jeff Dwoskin 24:14

I like yeah, I tweet a lot.

Sarah Douglas 24:17

He tweets.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:18

I have a I have a podcast.

Sarah Douglas 24:20

Okay, where's your podcast?

Jeff Dwoskin 24:21

It's called classic conversations.

Sarah Douglas 24:23

Okay, so I can listen to you on classic conversations. You can listen to me talking to Jack. I've heard Jack.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:29

Just a name drop. It was a name drop.

Sarah Douglas 24:32

I will be I will be sure and find you. Thank you so much for talking to me. Oh,

Jeff Dwoskin 24:36

thank you so much.

Sarah Douglas 24:36

Thank you. And that lovely? Oh, he's your delight back there.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:40

He's good. Can I get a picture? Oh, my I should have named this episode. Can I get a picture? Sara Douglas. Sarah was really cool. I got a picture with her too. I got a picture of everyone. It's really they're all on my instagram at Jeff Dwoskin show. You gotta check them out. If they're not there. When you're hearing this. There'll be up there soon. All right, next is J Echo Halloran. It's a short conversation it was it was my opportunity to meet him in person episode 51. You need more Jack? Ed's all along episode, and tons of great stories there. But this is just me meeting jack in person quick conversation. Enjoy. How are you?

Jack O'Halloran 25:17

I'm doing the best I can whatever to let me get away with it.

Jeff Dwoskin 25:20

I'm here with Jaco Allerton. Again, so it's good to be here. Excited to be part of this whole Christopher Reeve legacy reunion.

Jack O'Halloran 25:28

I'm glad to still be a great show. Yeah, it's

Jeff Dwoskin 25:32

got a lot of fun.

Jack O'Halloran 25:34

They promoted it. Well, good people here. think it'd be a lot of

Jeff Dwoskin 25:38

exciting to kind of see some of these folks that you haven't worked with and so long and kind of hanging out with them are

Jack O'Halloran 25:43

pretty close to Mark and I are pretty close to see every relationship for 40 years.

Jeff Dwoskin 25:52

But do you get it you guys get together a lot. Okay. This is a good opportunity for that. Right. It's

Jack O'Halloran 25:56

great opportunity for that. Yeah. The share lives in London lives in England. I live in California.

Jeff Dwoskin 26:02

what's your what's your favorite memory of working with Christopher?

Jack O'Halloran 26:09

That film period, you know, was the film itself, you know, was was a great opportunity to take the character and do it the way I wanted to. Working with Richard Donna was brilliant. And I thought it was a great director. Christopher was a naive kid, but they'll never be another person. That'll do. Superman Clark Kent like he did. And that teacher read that to Donna. daughter got that because he had never done anything before. Right, right. Right. How much you're aware of?

Jeff Dwoskin 26:39

Yeah, this is his new he was New

Jack O'Halloran 26:42

Deal in the year was it was a soapbox and he did a couple stage plays wounds in the background. So Superman was the first movie movie ever. Right, right, right. Richard Donner got a performance out of monsters.

Jeff Dwoskin 26:58

Yeah, Donner did amazing. He was a great director. What was the whole feeling on the set when Richard Lester kind of came

Jack O'Halloran 27:05

in? It was like doing was like going from a film director to a TV director. You know, Lester was a gave less dirty job because they owe them a movie. And they used all the dumbest excuses in the world not to bring Donner back. So and I blame Christopher for that. Christopher shooter stood up because Gene Hackman didn't come back. I almost didn't go. And Christopher would have stood up and said no, Donner know me. They would have no choice.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:34

Yeah, oh, yeah. So hacklin didn't tackle and kind of bail.

Jack O'Halloran 27:37

Ackman didn't come back and hyper never came back. When you see shots, their shots of him from the back? It's a stunt guy.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:46

Really? Yeah. He didn't come back till four then.

Jack O'Halloran 27:50

Who didn't come back for pursuit man for the Lester. Right. But the shadow is important stuff.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:59

Interesting. Interesting. So how is your book coming along?

Jack O'Halloran 28:04

Very well, very well. We're getting ready to do a mini series. And I got two more books coming out. So it's got to be ordered, which is

Jeff Dwoskin 28:13

the mini series one on family legacy. Yeah. Okay. Very cool.

Jack O'Halloran 28:19

So looking forward to that

Jeff Dwoskin 28:20

I can be in it.

Jack O'Halloran 28:22

Oh, producer,

Jeff Dwoskin 28:23

producer. Very cool. Well, thank you for hanging out with me a little bit too close to home. I can't wait to see that. I can read the book. Yeah, I have your blog. And that's it. Yeah, it's great. So it's up to you have a fascinating story. Beyond the actor and with your family. Yeah, Bert. Amazing. Can I get a photo? Jack O'Halloran, everybody.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:48

All right, up next, Robert Vindetti. And Wilfredo Torres writer and artists for Superman 78 comic book, that's a comic book series where they extend the original Superman 78 movie and create more stories. So the Superman in the comic is Christopher Reeve. It's pretty cool. Enjoy here with Robert than Diddy. And we'll Fredo Torres Where do you want me stand on this way? This is not my good side. All right, writer and artists for the Superman 78 series. How did this come about? It's this whole idea did it was it? Did Batman 66 sort of inspire the idea that this should come out, you know, to kind of start re going to the OG stuff?

Robert Vindetti. 29:33

You know, I don't know if I can say for certain, you know, DC had done some things like Batman 66 When a woman 77 I think it was and so they hadn't had some success with those. I don't know what led them to want to do Batman 89 and Superman 78. Those are all kinds of sessions that happen behind the scene. I just know that they've reached out to me and wanted to know if I'd be interested in writing it. And sort of what would my concept be for a new story set in that film universe? And I was obviously very excited to do it because this is the films that I grew up with. And it's a version of Superman. That really is my Superman. So I was on board with that from the beginning.

Wilfredo Torres 30:10

Yeah, that was when they reached out to me about working on it. Yeah, that's not the kind of thing you say no to.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:18

It. So cool. So we're in in that timeline? Does the Superman 78 comic book take place in the world of Superman one or two?

Robert Vindetti. 30:29

It is a popular question. I don't know that it matters. Like concretely we never say it. In my head cannon as I was writing it, it takes place after Superman to and before Superman three. But I don't know that. You really need to pin it down in any way. It really is kind of its own self contained story. So I don't know if you had a thought on when you thought it.

Wilfredo Torres 30:48

I thought two and three, especially because it goes Corbin has just moved to Metropolis.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:56

So do you have to get anyone? Do you have to get permissions from estates and stuff to use likenesses?

Robert Vindetti. 31:04

I? I don't know honestly, like, that's all stuff that behind the scenes.

Jeff Dwoskin 31:09

So what do you when you introduce new characters? How do you decide what they look like? Because like the other ones, right? They have, you know, Christopher Reeve as Superman, you know, Lois Lane, Margot, or Brainiac, me or anybody though.

Wilfredo Torres 31:25

They kind of left that one out to me. And I just thought I was trying to figure out who would fit the best into the movie, and who were contemporary actors at the time. And I kept bouncing back and forth between David Bowie and Rutger Hauer, because I wanted him to have kind of a quiet menace to him. But then you got to go with the rock God, so it is heavily influenced. I don't know that he's not a whiteness, but he's heavily influenced by David Bowie.

Jeff Dwoskin 32:06

Gotta gotta tell you, you can't just pick an actor from the time that might have been cast like, oh, that well, here's a new character that it'll be John Ritter, you can't get can't go that route. Right? Whatever. I'm trying to think is that one of

Robert Vindetti. 32:22

the guys that say, like Robin Williams, obviously is

Wilfredo Torres 32:26

obviously been busy spit a look,

Jeff Dwoskin 32:28

is there anything they tell you to avoid when writing this, like things you can't cross into? Or

Robert Vindetti. 32:34

I don't remember DC, giving me specific things to steer clear of. But you know, Andrew Marino, the editor on the book is somebody that I've got a great relationship with. I've done a lot of books over the years. And so if there was something that I did in the script phase that, you know, I couldn't do for whatever reason, he would always tell me and I would address it revisions. But I don't know that upfront there were there were any sort of, you know, things that I needed to stay away from or anything like that.

Jeff Dwoskin 33:00

And then of the six issues, is there any plans for anymore? I

Robert Vindetti. 33:03

would say to stay tuned,

Jeff Dwoskin 33:06

stay tuned, stay tuned. And if final question is like, what's the point you write it? And then you just interpret it? Is it like, is it like, Elton John, Bernie top and you write it and then you just whatever, however you decide to interpret?

Robert Vindetti. 33:17

Yeah, go ahead, you want to answer that?

Wilfredo Torres 33:21

I don't know if you're gonna get sensitive about this. But I kind of look at it as the difference between, say, a screenwriter and the director. So I get the page. I know what what my writer wants out of it. So I've just got to figure out the best way to tell the story that they've been given. got it

Robert Vindetti. 33:40

got it. So beyond that, you know, I think something that's super key, particularly for this story, is the acting in the emoting of the characters and really capturing who these particular versions of those characters are like, I can't do that in a tuck with words, right? Like will fray those talent is what's able to really bring across Christopher Reeves acting performance as Clark Kent and Superman and all those kinds of things. So I mean, you use the birdie top and Elton John, you know, comparison, like just think about how huge Elton John is in that scenario. You don't I'm saying so.

Jeff Dwoskin 34:16

Right. But he did. He just he writes the words and then yeah, then Bernie writes the words and then just however, they're interpreted, right,

Robert Vindetti. 34:24

yeah. Oh, jobs, the most important piece of that for, you know, I would say obviously, you're

Jeff Dwoskin 34:28

saying you're the most important piece. I'm getting. Very cool. Thank you so much for letting me hang out with you guys for a couple of minutes. And awesome. Thank you for putting such great work into the world. Thank you. Cool. I get a picture. All right. Well, that wraps up all the interviews I did while at the Motor City Comic Con with the whole Christopher Reeve legacy reunion crew, super fun.

Jeff Dwoskin 34:57

And now, as promised, I got more Clark Kent for ya Jeff East played young Clark Kent, he talks about his experiences on the Superman movie not 100% positive but as you listen later there was a reconciliation, but I'm not gonna give away all the details you gotta listen All right, get ready for a my conversation with Jeff East. I'm excited to introduce you to my next guess. writer, producer, actor. You loved him as a young Clark Kent and so many other roles, Mr. Jeffries, Jeff.

Jeff East 35:32

Nice name. Good name.

Jeff Dwoskin 35:34

I know that's Jeff's we got to stick together. It's a dying name. You don't see a lot of kids these days named Jeff.

Jeff East 35:40

No. Why not? It's a very unique name. What's your middle name? Jeffrey. Lawrence. James Franklin. After Benjamin Franklin.

Jeff Dwoskin 35:50

I'm Lawrence after it. Jeffrey Lawrence has a nice ring to it. But Geoffrey Franklin as they both have both our names with the middle names. I think we sound very fancy. We're very fancy people

Jeff East 36:01

very, very fancy.

Jeff Dwoskin 36:05

So from one one, Jeff to another. You've had a pretty cool career. You kind of started off in the world at Disney.

Jeff East 36:12

Actually. It was United Artists and Reader's Digest was the movie Tom Sawyer 1982. They went across the United States looking for a Tom and Huck, they wanted to go with a real Tom Sawyer and a real Huck Finn. So Ross Brown and Frank Capra, Jr. went across the US looking for Huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer. And they went to all the cities across the US and interviewed every single kid that they could get their hands on, come in and read for this movie. And my mom's best friend was an actress in Kansas City. And she said, Oh, you've got to take a look at my next door neighbor's kid. He's 14, he's funnier now. He sings he's got a band. He would be perfect for Tom Sawyer. So Robert Greene had the producer flute band, and I get a call from her agent. She says, Jeff, we want you to come down to meet with Robert GreenHeart. And blah, blah, blah. Can your mom drive you down to the audition? I said, Yeah, sure. Why not? I you know, I thought, well, I might get a small minor role and next role, I ended up going in it take a Polaroid of me, they send it to the producers and the director. Two weeks later, I go down to Columbia, Missouri. I do another interview with the casting director. Then they fly me to Los Angeles for a screen test. Come back yet another screen test. I go back again. I'm 14 years old, flying back and forth. I ended up testing with Jodie Foster Johnny Whitaker, and they cast me as Huck Finn, and I did Tom Sawyer than I did Huck Finn and I did for Disney films. After that, I signed the contract with Disney. And I worked with them until 1976. And then I got Superman, and the rest is history.

Jeff Dwoskin 37:52

So they must have really liked you as Huckleberry Finn, because you got your own movie right after that you were the headliner.

Jeff East 37:59

It's funny, too. I was the last contract player that Disney had, because the studios had contract players for years. And Kurt Russell and myself were the last to have their group of people. And it was really hard breaking away from it, because my agents wanted me to do other things. And I thought, Well, God, I love Disney. I like working with Ron Miller and Roy Disney. They're great people and blah, blah. My agent kept saying, Oh, but you need to do other things and blah, blah, blah, there's a bigger parama you know, there's a panorama of things that you can do. And I said, Okay, so that's when super actually the hazing came along movie called The hazing, Charlie Martin Smith, and Doug Curtis, the director wanted me to play this role. This guy that was, you know, being hazed by his fraternity in the weirdest way. He was like crazy, because we want Jeffie. So we want Jeffy. So read the script, low budget feature, Charlie, Martin Smith and I are running around our jockstraps are happy and boom, all of a sudden, I get Superman because Donner had seen the editing of the hazing saw me as a track star and blah, blah, blah. Carol Littleton, the editor said, Oh, you got to take a look at this kid. Jeffree Star this film The hazing. And Donner went crazy. So he called me in to read for Superman. So when I get in there, I didn't even want read. I said, a minute. What do you want me to do? And he goes, I just want you to read the script. Go in the other room and come back after you're done. Well, it was 200 pages got it took me like two hours to read it. I come back. And there's all kinds ileus all computer Spangler and Richard Donner and Len Stoll master holds up my resume pitcher holds it next to Christopher Reeves. And Lynne goes, I think he's perfect. And Donner goes, you got a passport kid? And I said, Yeah, he goes, Well, you're flying to London. Tomorrow. We're gonna give you the role. I said the role of who? The role of the young Superman I said, we will will will will will I'm not wearing a I'm not wearing a cape. I'm not putting on that s outfit. I ain't doing any of that. He goes, Oh, no, no, no, no, we're gonna treat you like you're a real Clark Kent. You're the real cool RK. You're the real man. I went, Oh, okay. Next day I get on an airplane. I fly to London and I was on it for a year shooting Superman. Christopher Reeve hated my guts.

Jeff Dwoskin 40:15

Way back up for one second when I want to get out of that, but hang on one second. So when Donner came to, what was your concern about actually being Superman,

Jeff East 40:23

I did not want to be Superman. I had the mindset as an actor that would be typecast. And my managers were always saying you don't want to get typecast you don't want people will never be able to think of you of anything else other than James Bond, or Superman, or whatever it is. I was trying to get away from Huck Finn. And so at that time in my career, I was going, Oh, they want me to do this Superman movie. Well, when I read it, I thought, oh, it's not really Superman. It's Clark Kent. It's more the human side. And I thought that's really well written. It's great stuff. I didn't even know who they were gonna play as Potkin. I had no idea they're gonna get one for Marlon Brando, wow, this would be fun. But I really didn't have any idea. And Chris was so upset that he wasn't able to play that role. He wanted to do the young Superman and Superman, he was so pissed off. And the day I got there, he made it very known to me that he wasn't happy. I was there. And I thought, Whoa, this is weird. And I dealt with a lot of weird actors and stupid crap in my career before this, and I'd already done seven films. And he's this is his first movie. And he's the star of it. And Gene Hackman has run around who was a friend of mine, and all these people were friends of mine. I've known him for years. And here's Christopher Reeve says, Okay, I want you to have lunch with me. And we're going to play chess together. And I go, Oh, chess, I said, I'm not a really good chess player, Chris, better a pope. And he goes, No, I'm going to teach you how to play chess. I'll go, Okay, we'll get to know each other. I said, Okay. So I get invited into his trailer every day, we have lunch, we sit in there and play chess. He beats me every fucking time. And I'm going, Wow, this is an ego thing. So how is it you're going to take on this role? How is it you're going to do this and that? And what are your mannerisms? If you thought about your mannerisms? No. I'm just gonna remember my lines and show up for work it Chris was really trying to get into the, my soul and understand my what I was all about. I was like, Chris, I know you went to Juilliard. Know, Kevin Kline was in Robin Williams was your roommate. I know all this. I said, just let me do my job. I won't disappoint you. Lo and behold, we get up. I get up into Canada. He's not there. And it's my deal. The whole thing was me and Gene Hackman, we're all up in, in Canada. And I'm doing all this. I completely forgot the Christopher Reeve was the star of the movie. And I'm doing all this stuff working up in Canada, and everybody's going crazy love the stuff they see. And all of a sudden, I don't hear anything. I go back to Los Angeles. And this is an October I'm supposed to go back to London to finish the Fortress of Solitude. I fly in and I find out Donner's been fired. And Richard. Richard Lester is the director. So I'm introduced to Richard Lester. And I'm like, Why am I being? What? What's going on? Now? Like, you need to hear Donner got fired, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, God, you're on the final stuff with the Fortress of Solitude. And Lester spine to direct me and of how to throw the crystal and do this narrow mic is definitely not a downer. Let me tell you. And Chris was, he was cool. He was happy. What happened and what they saw on the stuff Canada, and I'm like, great, I'm glad you like it. But I kept getting the feeling. There was some tension in the air. And I knew it wasn't about donner. I had a feeling it was about me. So I did my job. I finished the film. And I asked, and I flew to Paris, or whatever. I hung out in Europe for a while, went back to LA a year later, they have the premiere. I don't get invited. And I'm like, what? And I get a phone call from Mark McClure, who's in New York at the premiere, or Washington DC rather, at the premiere, and he calls me up and I wakes me up and I'm in bed. He goes, Jeff, you're not gonna blue. This goes. I just saw the movie last night. He goes, Chris dubbed your voice, what? Christopher Reeve overdubbed your voice. I'm like, Oh, my God. Well, the ceiling fell out, the floor fell out. I thought I was gonna have a heart attack. And I'm you know, 20 to 21 years old. And I'm like, Oh, my God. So I call my agent. And my agent says, relax, we'll get to the bottom of it, blah, blah, blah. Well, they did it behind my back. They did it without asking me. They did it without telling me. They didn't even want me to loop it. They wanted him to loop it. And I go, why? Why? You're the testing in Dallas, and blah, blah, blah. And they said your voice was distinctly different than Christopher's and they didn't want anything to interfere with the way the film was working. And it's really about Superman. And we got to have Christopher voice. It's very distinct, distinctive, and I'm like, what, what are you talking about? I said, okay, my voice is a little deeper. But so what they said no, we want it to sound like it's Christopher Reeve. And I'm like, Oh, this is crazy. No. So I had to go along with it. And I had to be nice about it. And the AP starts coming up AI starts calling me they're like, Hey, what's going on? Johnny Carson says something about it on the Johnny Carson. Who's this guy playing the young super What the hell, they don't talk about him. They nobody talks about they completely whitewashed my entire performance. Warner Brothers said, Screw you. This is about Christopher Reeve, not Jeff east and I go, okay, that's the game you want to play. I'll let it lie. All of a sudden I get phone calls and all the people magazines and all that people want to talk to me because it was controversial is like weird. Even Robin Williams says something to me. I went to I ended up going to premiere with Mark Maclaurin in Los Angeles, a Chinese. I snuck in. I got into his limo. And I went to the premiere with my girlfriend and the Warner Brothers. People were like, What's he doing here? What's he doing here? It was weird. It was a weird it never happened to me in my entire career.

Jeff Dwoskin 45:57

That is bizarre. I you know, it's funny. I was I was rewatching it. And it's it's not like you're it's not like you're in the movie for two minutes, where it's like, you're young Clark Kent, and some kind of quick flashback. I mean, you pretty much set the tone as young Clark for the movie. And that's I'm guessing that's why Chris Murray was so jealous at the part, I mean, because all of the emotion comes off of your performance that he then kind of pivots off of and then takes over once he's, you know, older Superman and older Clark Kent, but yeah, so I can it's it was funny, because maybe you won't think it's funny, but I was watching the movie. I was rewatching it just recently, but because I knew we were gonna talk. And I was watching it. And I was like, okay, you know, this is great. And then I was doing some research. And I was like, Christopher Reeve dubbed the voice and I'm like, I didn't even notice. And I went back. And I'm like, How did I not notice? Like, that's all I can hear that? I was like, I can I can see where that would be irritating to Jeffrey, that would be upsetting. So did you ever kind of make amends with Christopher Reeve? Or did you kind of leave it,

Jeff East 46:58

but I'll tell you what happened. After his accident. I get a phone call from his wife. And she says, Jeff, we would love coming to Toronto Film Festival and help raise money for the Christopher Reeve Foundation. Chris would love to have you. And I'm like, Oh, well, I'm honored. So they flew me into Toronto. I go down to Niagara Falls. There's Chris with his wife and his kids. And we made amends with each other. And I said, Chris, I gave you and he goes, I'm really sorry that that happened to you and blah, blah, blah. I understand. I'd say Chris, no big deal. It didn't affect me that much. It wasn't like it ruined my career. No, I did 45 films later. So I didn't affect my career at all. In fact, that helped my career. But you know, and I didn't want to be mad and Chris, just how Chris was young. It was his first film. Even Gene Hackman got in a fight with him on the set. I mean, he just didn't get along with people. And it was just kind of an arrogant kind of a probably why he was and he was great as Superman. Don't get me wrong. I loved him as Superman. Still to this day. I think he's the best Superman we've ever seen.

Jeff Dwoskin 47:58

He's definitely the quintessential so it was interesting because I was talking to Jack O'Halloran. He was talking about a little skirmish that he had, but he was also he was because I think of Chris Murray being young. He was upset that he didn't stand up for Richard Donner. When they decided to fire him.

Jeff East 48:16

That's crystal. That's the see. That's the rub. And I hate talking too bad about the dead. But I'm gonna tell you some. When I got to London in October of 77. I thought this is weird. I don't like working with Richard Lester. I like Richard Lester. I liked his movies. But he's not the director of Superman. And it made me feel weird. Even Terence Stamp and I were talking about it when we're gone. And this is really weird. It's a lot of tension to talk really mad there were at a, they were so mad at me. Because my team kept asking for more money because they wouldn't put me on a contract for a whole year. They would do it month by month. And my agent was furious. And he's like, What are you doing this for? They kept saying, Well, this was uh, this is the biggest film this guy's career and blah, blah, blah. And we're like, Yeah, but he's getting paid for it. The soft kinds of ruthless, ruthless, ruthless, and I love the idea but his father and piercing those guys. Whoa, there were some bananas going on there.

Jeff Dwoskin 49:14

So Richard Donner was fired during the filming of Superman not after Superman for Superman to this that the timeline of him being fired was during

Jeff East 49:23

they were shooting films at the same time, right be superman but one and two were being done at the same time because it saved the money because they had the sets they had the fortune to solid they had the Washington sets they had the New York sets they had the Canadiens everything was done simultaneously because it was cheaper for the locations that they had to shoot at and the saw kinds were famous for that he did three musketeers and four prostitutes the same way simultaneously. Now the saw kind in in Los Angeles is a real law couple saw Canon Law was Screen Actors Guild, they said you can't do that you can't shoot one film and take the outage footage and make another movie with it without paying the actors again. But they tried to get away with the Three Musketeers. They got caught. So when they were doing Superman, they said you have to pick these actors accordingly that they're doing two movies is crazy. It changed filmmaking for a long time. It was a big deal.

Jeff Dwoskin 50:24

Donner had enough of one under his belt to because that's that's a directed by Richard Donner. But two is directed by Richard and

Jeff East 50:33

Jeff only a small portion of Superman two was shot by Lester, very small portion. He had 6% of Superman to done

Jeff Dwoskin 50:42

what kind of movie would it have been had Donner just taken over? Did you have any sense of that? Or because he were just so entrenched with the first one that

Jeff East 50:49

would have been like the Cannon Films or like Superman three, like Superman for it just terrible. Donner was the reason that movie is a classic today. Not Richard Lester. Richard Donner is the reason and I'll go to my grave saying that. Yeah, I

Jeff Dwoskin 51:07

have never heard anyone disagree with that sentiment. So I think you're in good company with Alan for your the scenes as young Claire cat. What was it like working with Glenn for and Phyllis Baxter. You had some pretty solid parents there?

Jeff East 51:21

Well, I'll tell you. It's funny is because I worked out of good actors in Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn and all the Disney stuff I did. But it was the first time I ever worked with an actor that was so giving, and so professional and so in tune with his character that I didn't even feel like I was it wasn't even a job. It made me feel brought me to another level. That's how Glen Ford works. He's great. And Glen, we did those takes. I think we did one take on each shot. We did a master. We did a two shot. We did close ups. That was it. And it took maybe two hours to do that. That's how good he is. And Phyllis taxer is one of the most lovely actresses I ever worked with. I loved working with her. She was dynamite. And she was the producers. Other law is weird. I Aubrey was very elite talker.

Jeff Dwoskin 52:06

One of the interesting things about the Superman movie is this is before CGI or CGI as we know it today. How did you go about running the probably your TrackSTar background running that train

Jeff East 52:19

I got in the movie business when I was 14. So I didn't really have much of a chance to be an athlete in school because they wouldn't let me I was a football player. I was a safety defensive back those fast and I had a hard time with the pole vault. But I was pretty fast. And I was I was mean, I'd like to tackle people. So I was already an athlete. And as I said I was already under contract to the studios 14. And so I basically couldn't, I wasn't allowed to do much of anything except, you know, show up on the set know my lines. And all's it was is they put me on these wires, but they've never done this before. And got me out there and we get out on it. We're in an airfield in Alberta private airfield, and they got this crane. And for two weeks, we're practicing how to run while you're lifted in the air. But you have to look like you're actually touching the ground. That's a lot harder to do than you can imagine. Impossible almost because you're swinging and I go wait, you know what, it's a John Tucker the special effects that let me set the ground a little bit so that I get the feeling that I'm actually getting traction. They're like, okay, so they do it slower and slower. And I'm touching the ground a little bit with my toes. And finally it started to work. And I would be able to move my feet. So I actually felt like I was actually touching the ground. So I actually felt like I was running that fast out to the set to shoot it. And it took like a week because it was a tough it was a very difficult stunt and the cranes out there and Peter McDonald, the camera operators out there. They got the watch thing in and they got the clouds in the background. And they're all worried about this and that and they're worried about the light. The train assistant directors telling the train to slow down or telling it speed up or slow down are we doing it a full bore speed 25 miles per hour going 35 miles per hour down this road. And I'm touching the grass and I can feel it. It's good and dandy is going. It's great. It's great. It's great. And I keep going I keep running, I'm tearing every thigh muscle and every Shin muscle app and I'm going Oh God, they don't no idea how much pain I'm in. I'm like my managers out there and he's like, Oh, God, I'm really worried about you and I turn the corner. They swing me out of frame and the trains go about 3540 miles an hour. I swing right into the train. And thank God Richard Hackman. Jacqueline's was our stunt coordinator guy, he grabs me before I swing in and get killed by the train. And I turned around and Richards, I mean, he goes, me and I was on the back of that rig, and I go, wow, that's scary. And I turn around and I see Donner and saw kind and everybody else walking away from the set real quick. I'm like, what it was like one moment of I was like, these guys don't know what the hell's going on. They almost killed me.

Jeff Dwoskin 55:01

Thank God for small miracles.

Jeff East 55:03

I'm still here.

Jeff Dwoskin 55:04

He's still here. Yeah, sounds like you knew Gene Hackman but who else did you kind of? What other kinds of stories yeah from the set ain't good Marlon Brando stories. Like I remember like when would who was in the scenes you would have been in versus maybe we just shot around the same time that you would have seen?

Jeff East 55:21

I got friendly with Valerie Prine pretty well, a lot and glary human, they hang out my trailer. They drink wine and drop acid and smoke pot. It was crazy. Those two are nuts. And we'd be sitting there talking young guy and I'm only 18 years old. And you're kidding me. I got I got your 19 year really a 50 year old man. I'm like yeah, whatever didn't. Hackman was always kidding me around. And Richard Hackman and I got two good friends. It was fun. I had a good time. And I worked with I really got along with Terence Stamp. Work with him. Even though I wasn't any scenes with him. He was always on set with me because we were in a fortunate to solid is the same time and it was great Chungnam with Jack Bauer and he's still a really good friend of mine. So it was cool. And Mark Maclaurin I had two bands together after we did Superman, two of them.

Jeff Dwoskin 56:09

That's pretty cool. Where can people keep up with you on social media?

Jeff East 56:12

You spoke it's jeffrey east or Jeff east. You can see me on Facebook, Instagram. I'm on all those media sites.

Jeff East 56:15

Thank you, Jeffrey, for hanging out with me.

Jeff Dwoskin 56:22

And Jeffrey East ladies and gentlemen, interesting stories Jeff had from the set of Superman. It was nice to hear that He reconciled with Christopher Reeve later after Christopher's accident. Well, I hope you enjoyed all the Superman themed interviews I brought to you today. This super man episode, I enjoyed putting together very, very much Superman 78 was such a big deal when it came out. The tagline was you will believe a man can fly. And we did. And we did.

Jeff Dwoskin 56:59

All right. Well, with the interviews over it can only mean one thing. That's right. It's time for a trending hashtag. When the family of hashtags add hashtag around. Follow hashtag roundup on Twitter at hashtag Roundup, download the free always free doesn't cost a penny app hashtag roundup app and the Google Play Store or iTunes App Store. tweet along with us. And one day one of your tweets may show up on a future episode of Classic conversations, fame and fortune awaits you. All right, this week's hashtag we're going back back in time. That's right all the way to 2018 with #DeepThoughtsFromSuperman, courtesy of open mic rejects a weekly Game On hashtag around up Superman must do a lot of thinking flying around. And while he's saving the world, many deep thoughts in that head so the internet got together and said Here #DeepThoughtsFromSuperman? We'll put them all in one place. Well, thank you internet. Thank you Twitter. Here are some hashtag deep thoughts from Superman. I could probably fly faster without this stupid cape. It looks so good with the cape though. I hate when I accidentally get in the bill and dad's phone booth and ended up time traveling half naked. That is a movie cross over I would love to see Superman meets Bill and Ted these are just some of the hashtag deep thoughts from Superman is another someone somewhere is baking chocolate chip cookies. You imagine the power to be able to smell chocolate chip cookies anytime you want it How amazing would that be? Another deep thought? I need a new career path the newspaper business is dying. So Drew he's gonna end up going digital cryptocurrency just great. Now it's in the money to man kryptonite everywhere and now in the cryptocurrency. Superman can't catch a break. More deep thoughts. I bet my cape is more flowing them Batman's. He's got to let it go. Batman is Batman, Superman and Superman. Do these glasses make me look fat? And our final deep thoughts from Superman tweet. Should I put faster than a speeding bullet on my Tinder profile? Oh, boy. All right. Wow, that is #DeepThoughtsFromSuperman. All of those good folks are retweeted at Jeff Dwoskin show head over there. show him some love. Tweet your own ism Twitter love. Do it up. Well, the interviews over and the hash tag over I can only mean one thing. Episode 137 the Motor City Comicon extravaganza episode is coming to an end. Wow. I'd love to thank all my guests Aaron Smolinski, Jack O' Halloran, Marc McClure, Mariel Hemingway, Sarah Douglas, Robert Vendetti wilfredo Torres and of course Jeffrey East. as well, all of them jam packed into one super man episode. I also want to thank all of you for coming back week after week means the world to me, and I'll see you next time.

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