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Thank you, Marlon, for that amazing introduction. You get the show going each and every week and this week is no exception. Thanks for bringing it once again. Welcome, everybody. This is Episode 51 of live from Detroit: the Jeff Dwoskin show. So excited to have you here. Who am I? I am your host, Jeff Dwoskin. So excited to be here once again. Week after week. You guys keep coming back. I love it. We've got an amazing show for you today. Last week. We had Robin from Batman and Robin here. And everyone was like why do you only have heroes so this week we have Non from Superman 1 and 2. That's right superhero last week supervillain non this week. And of course by that I mean Jack O'Halloran is here.

That's right. Jack O'Halloran who famously starred as Non, one of the Krypton baddies from Superman 1 and 2. He's here and we're going to talk about Superman. And he's got some great stories from the set. And also Jack O'Halloran is the author of the book, Family Legacy, where he talks about his father, Albert Anastasia, who was the leader of Murder, Inc. And there's some great stories there we dive into the JFK assassination Jimmy Hoffa, Jimmy Hoffa, JFK assassination, Superman, this episode has everything. That's right. Everything you're gonna love it is is amazing. And that's coming up in just a few minutes.

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You won't regret listening to my conversation with Jack O'Halloran. That's right, Jack O'Halloran. We talk a lot about his amazing book family legacy. And of course, we talk a lot about Superman one and two, where jack O'Halloran starred as Non, Kryptonian bad guy alongside General Zod and Ursa. So buckle up and get ready for my conversation with Jack O'Halloran. All right, I got special guest with me today actor professional boxer author Jack O'Halloran. How are you sir? Welcome to the show.

Jack O'Halloran 9:09

I'm doing the best I can whatever let me get away from Thanks a lot.

Jeff Dwoskin 9:13

Hey, no problem. Glad to have you here. You're an icon supervillain icon, not Superman, the original Superman The best Superman one and two.

Jack O'Halloran 9:23

One and two were the best they did

Jeff Dwoskin 9:24

put your path to become non started as a boxer.

Jack O'Halloran 9:29

Right? You were first playing football that went from football to boxing. Then from boxing into the movie business. They tried to get me into the movie business. When I was early in the fighting. I was 1966 67 Steve McQueen was in Boston doing the Thomas Crown Affair. And we looked after him and he and I became very good friends and he tried to talk me into coming down into the SAT. He said you gotta give me I'll put you in the movie. We'll get your sag worked out. He says you got to come back to Hollywood. Have a great time. And I said I don't think so. I'm not ready for that. And then in 1969 I knocked out the guy manual Ron was in LA who was number two in the world can look into get an alley fight and they wanted me to do the great white hope would change you know Jones which was the biggest movie going out there. It turned that down and then in 76 when I retired 75 from boxing they came to me to do Farewell my lovely with Robert Mitchum and I went and did a screen test and made some said as either hammer I don't do the movie, so I blame it all on Robert mentioned,

Jeff Dwoskin 10:30

I will thank Robert Mitchum. You became close with Robert

Jack O'Halloran 10:37

became like a father. He was great. Robert was terrific.

Jeff Dwoskin 10:39

So once you were you were hooked. And then shortly after you did King Kong but you were not King Kong. You're big guy but you were not fair. Well

Jack O'Halloran 10:49

my lovely that which turned out very well. Then we did King Kong and then I did a film watcher die. When I was getting ready to go do March or die. They came to me to please do the jaws part in the Bond movie. And I turned that down and I went that finish marcher die and then from Archer die, we went right to Superman.

Jeff Dwoskin 11:10

So Richard Keil must have thanked you for that.

Jack O'Halloran 11:13

I turned down 6 films. That was his career. I turned six movies down that he did worked out pretty well for him. So it was good. He was a nice guy.

Jeff Dwoskin 11:23

Do you regret not being in a Bond film that would have been that would have been cool. I mean, you did plenty cool. They

Jack O'Halloran 11:28

wanted me to play the part of jaws and I was I really didn't like the script. Mitcham said to me, do you like the role? He said no. He said, well then forget about where you're going down to Spain to do a movie go down and do that. So I went and did marcher die with T Hackman and Catherine Deneuve and Maxine c down and host of people eat home. It's a great cast. The kidney turns Hill, who's a big Italian star. So that we went there the same crew that worked on Superman. Donner flew Aqua ny up to London, to talk about doing Superman. We discussed the role. He was a little concerned. He said, do how do you feel about playing a death on mute? And I said, I embraced the idea. You know, Jackie Gleason was a friend of mine. And he won an Oscar playing a role called gigo. The movie's ego and it was a deaf, dumb mute. And I said, if I ever get that opportunity to play a role like that, where you have to really use your ability, as an accurate, I would embrace it. And Superman was a great role for that, because he had turned stat was a vicious channel. Sara was a Man Eater, and somebody had to relate to the kids. So I took this big brutish guy, and I played him like a child. We're learning how to work his eyes and you know, worked out pretty well.

Jeff Dwoskin 12:43

Yes, it did. Was it your idea? Was it in the script that he be mute?

Jack O'Halloran 12:48

Wow, they talked about because the character in itself nine was a brilliant scientist in a comic book, The love automized him. So they asked me if how they felt about that. And I see, I'd love the idea of doing it mute. I love that idea. And they say, Wow, really? Sad. Yeah. They thought I would turn it down. Because I said no, no, that I want to do that. I gave me an opportunity to show expression and to create a real presence. And it worked very well. You did

Jeff Dwoskin 13:19

it cuz I gotta admit, I hadn't seen that film in a long time. And I went back and I was like, I had forgotten. He didn't talk

Jack O'Halloran 13:24

funny. The funny part is, you know, I remember the first Comic Con I ever did. And people walked up to me and he said, you can actually talk.

Jeff Dwoskin 13:35

There was something I wanted to were one of the first movies that I'm aware of that they filmed them, they filmed them both at the same time, or they are attempting to

Jack O'Halloran 13:44

while they film, we filmed the both together and we broke a lot of technology rules, we actually did things that we didn't use CGI, we shot what they call this division of this division, which is what this new technology with LED lighting and all that to doing now, it was much more primitive than so it took a long time to do it. They had a huge 70 foot screen, and three pole arms came out of it. And it was a body mold at the end that we laid in the mold and they dressed this and we were like 70 feet up off the air, you know, and they shot us into the film. So we had the movement so we could fly. You know, we were flying under bridges and around buildings. And we could do the movements. It looked fantastic. Worked out extremely well. Who were the people so how do you how did you get under bridges and all you CGI? No wired was the way we shot. This division on this division. It really worked. Worked terrific.

Jeff Dwoskin 14:38

Richard Donner was a great director.

Jack O'Halloran 14:41

Oh my god, he was the best. Very sad to be there was the worst mistake they made not allowing him to finish to because he would have done 345 and six there would have been a whole different franchise altogether.

Jeff Dwoskin 14:53

So what was it that they didn't invite him back? They just decided to go did something happened.

Jack O'Halloran 14:58

They didn't want to pay that

Jeff Dwoskin 15:00

It was just a minute. It was just a money thing.

Jack O'Halloran 15:02

Well, let me ask you a question. How do you cut Marlon Brando? I have a movie. You don't. I mean, they they had already paid brand new the footage was already done. So they cut him out because he didn't want to pay him the points. He had points in the movie. They didn't want to pay him when they cut Brando. Well, you ever seen the Donner cut?

Jeff Dwoskin 15:18

I've seen it. It's been a while. But yeah.

Jack O'Halloran 15:20

Oh, Donner cut is much better.

Jeff Dwoskin 15:22

It's interesting because I used some of his mood from to to finish one, right? I mean, that him spinning around flying around the world was supposed to be in to,

Jack O'Halloran 15:30

like, you know, we had shot 85% of two, when they brought us to let Richard Lester on to put his name on the film. As a director, you have to shoot more than 50% of the movie. So he went back and reshot some stuff, but they kept the footage and that's why they had the footage to do the Donner cut. But then Donner had to doctor up the ending, the beginning in the ending, I think it was, which was sad, because had he been able to shoot it the way you want it to? We've been a much different franchise.

Jeff Dwoskin 15:58

Yeah, it's funny because they're doing dealing with that now with the Justice League.

Jack O'Halloran 16:03

Well, we did shots, like when we were in Fortress of Solitude, and we were being locked up when we lost our power and stuff. And we actually had shots when we when I fell down a bit like actually have a shot of us coming out of there and being put into police fans and taken away. who were in we got locked up now because we lost our power when that whole thing went on in that little vehicle that Christopher did reverse deal.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:29

Right, right. He tricks Lex Luthor

Jack O'Halloran 16:32

had a good ending quart and never got a chance to use it. They showed it in the television version of the extras have the over footage that was around.

Jeff Dwoskin 16:41

It's just a shame that it could have been

Jack O'Halloran 16:43

better Donner like the donners like night and day with Lester. He put too much comedy and if you look, if you if you go back and watch the Lester cut at the Eiffel Tower when we're in Paris, they actually went over there as how do you do to your something the movie said to me was ridiculous. And it was raining something terrible. And the car behind? We're Vargo is talking to the cop and you see spots hitting the cop shirt. And if you look at the car behind him, the windshield wipers are going bam ba ba ba ba ba was was raining so hard. But Lester, all he did was he shot it opened up the lens and then he went into in the laboratory and made it look like it wasn't raining at all just to save money. I mean, it was the dumbest thing. I couldn't believe that they did that it was so foolish. Why not you stayed out there to get the shot in the sunshine properly, you

Jeff Dwoskin 17:32

know, right? Yeah And three, three well even with

Jack O'Halloran 17:36

3 was diabolical four was a Canon picture was even a warner brother picture he sold the right of the film's the Canon was just diabolical. What they did they got away with it.

Jeff Dwoskin 17:46

Right? I don't even know if I ever saw four. I think Gene Hackman came back for four.

Jack O'Halloran 17:51

He didn't miss anything.

Jeff Dwoskin 17:53

The only thing that I remember for sure coming out of Superman three was Richard Pryor's character stealing the the fractions of the pennies, and then then later using that joke in office space, using as that as the plot for office space to rob that.

Jack O'Halloran 18:08

It's really sad that you know, they'll never be another Christopher Reeve. And they had an opportunity to and I blame Christopher as much as anybody because all Christopher had to do is say, No, Donner, no me and they would have dropped dead, they would have said, Whoa, whoa, whoa. But they had him on the star trip, who was the first big film he ever did. And he became a star from it. So they talked him into an ego trip, because he shared it turned around and said, You don't have Richard Donner. I'm not coming back. And he would have had no choice.

Jeff Dwoskin 18:41

I agree with you. It's had to have been hard for him now being is like very, you know, as far as movie to like, try and pull that kind of muscle.

Jack O'Halloran 18:48

No, it was sad that he was so ill advised. I mean, his agent should have known better, because with Donner, they wouldn't like I said they would have done Donner still does the comic books. I mean, these he and Mankiewicz were so much into Superman would have been follow it would have been so much better it would it would have been much different franchise. greenies is all kinds where I'm amazed they didn't figure that out. So he took the money and ran.

Jeff Dwoskin 19:11

Did you have a good relationship with Christopher Reeve, I heard a story there was some kurpuffal

Jack O'Halloran 19:16

blows that out of proportion. I mean, my God, you work with people for three years, as closely as we worked. And if you don't have an argument with somebody somewhere along a line, something very wrong. Christopher was very naive when he did Superman. He was he was he was learning was a young guy. And there was an Italian restaurant in London called the San Lorenzo dear friends of mine. And I promoted it to everybody because the food was so good. So everybody used to go in there and eat dinner. And I was down the street from where I stayed in London. I used to eat dinner every night. And Christopher was in there with Hackman and a bunch of people and he was talking about myself about my father from New York and organized crime and and he's talking about a lot of things you should Talking about in the owner, the restaurant called me on the phone and he said, How well do you know this Christopher Reeve kid? And I say, well, we just work in here. Why? So what he's talking about things I don't think he should talk about. So the next morning, I grabbed Christopher, when we get into work, we went into a room, we had a very serious conversation. And I thought we had an understanding and, and then we went out into the hallway where all these people are. And all of a sudden he I think he thought he was Superman. He started, you can't talk to me that way and all this other bullshit. And I said, What did you say? And I grabbed them. I threw him against the wall, and I was just getting ready to really smack him and Richard Donner whispered in my ear, not in the face jack not in the face. So we all broke up laughing. I dropped him on the floor. He said, You know, you're lucky kid. And I walked away. And that was the end of it never was carried over anymore, or anything of that nature. And every time somebody somebody told that story to somebody, and as I told him, just what I'm telling you, I got blown totally out of proportion. Oh, yeah, the terrible argument Christopher. He was gonna kill him and Oh, my God.

Jeff Dwoskin 21:01

But hey, this is pre internet today. People had to go out and do something right.

Jack O'Halloran 21:07

Immediately joke, man is fun.

Jeff Dwoskin 21:09

What about Margot Kidder like?

Jack O'Halloran 21:11

She was brilliant. He just a sweet Margot is. He's just he's a very fine actress. And she's just a sweetheart. We had a great cast. I mean, when you stop and think if you're working with people for three years and years closest we were all this guy. You're talking about Brando turn stamp, one of the finest English actors that there ever was Sarah Douglas, who became a very stalwart actors over there. And if you look at all the people that were on the set of the first movie, when they put us up in the space thing, the judges there. I mean, you know, Trevor Howard, you had a whole bunch of really serious English actors that were playing parts. He was just a great cast,

Jeff Dwoskin 21:52

giving a good Brando stories.

Jack O'Halloran 21:53

Brando and I were very close. One was, I went down on set one day, he was doing a shot, and I just went down to watch him work, because he's such a brilliant actor. He had cue cards everywhere, everywhere. Something went wrong with the camera and the camera, guys. Oh, we're gonna have to come back and do this later. marincin hell with it. I'm going to turn around you fix that camera and I'll turn back into the shot. Well, I never saw anybody ever do that. Before he did it. He came turned around in the shot, bam, banged it out. And he came back off the set. And I said to him, Wow, man, I said, You know, I guess a lot of people will be a little nervous asking us but what the hell is it? what's what's a cue cards? Do you that bored with the industry that you have to have cue cards everywhere. You know, Jackie said, I started that on Muni and a bowtie and I just didn't want the camera to think that I sat up all night studying a script. I wanted to make it look like the words were just coming out of the air. I said, I looked at my laptop. And he knew for sure. He was a great Shakespearean actor. So we ripped off a couple parables of Shakespeare. And he said to me, that you must know word for word, this stuff Piece of cake. Marlon was a fun guy who's the prankster? Like practical jokes.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:03

That's cool. And then you'd work with Gene Hackman you mentioned and then this was your second movie with him.

Jack O'Halloran 23:08

was a good guy. I did a picture right before with him called marcher die. She's a brilliant actress who so many great actors involved in Jackie Cooper I mean that a lot of scholars a lot of European actors that were heavyweights it was a good time. It was good.

Jeff Dwoskin 23:25

It was it was quite a powerhouse it's it's they're still wanting to still are two of the best superhero movies.

Jack O'Halloran 23:32

Oh, even today, I don't think they've made anything better than than any of us any movie technically better than that, you know, was till they were really stand up films. You could be a child today, and go into theory for the first time and see that movie and walk out. Oh, my God puts that kind of impression. And the beauty of it was they did it the way Superman was constructed in America, you got to understand that Superman was the first American superhero. And he did it in that old American Way didn't kill anybody wasn't killing people. They were locking people up. It was just a much more sane approach.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:07

Yeah, and the new Man of Steel movie him inside, they destroy half this city, they must kill 10s of 1000s of people.

Jack O'Halloran 24:15

It takes away with the whole premise of Superman was you know, and so we're trying to put together a Thiel for a warner brothers so we're trying to get some people the look at the factor bringing Christopher back with his hologram technology which can be done very simply by bringing the three villains back and we have an amazing storyline. Hopefully they'll buy it and we will put it off because it'll be the fanbase will go crazy.

Jeff Dwoskin 24:41

I was I was gonna ask you about that. Actually. I was reading about that. How close are you to being able to do that? Is there a full script

Jack O'Halloran 24:47

we have a full idea of in the script of easy to do you know the premises real solid and it really is quite very clever brings the villains back and the villains become partners. With Superman to fight all these people that Marvel Comics everybody's bringing all these people from different planets into Earth and now Superman has got his own little crew together to have superpowers like he does. So it'd be really kind of interesting and there's a whole reason why and where the how that happens and it's all ties right into the original so it's very to be very cleverly done if they would allow it to be done.

Jeff Dwoskin 25:25

I hope that happens

Jack O'Halloran 25:26

Yeah, so the why I mean would open the door for a whole new franchise of non violence Superman it would be is a way of doing it and taking it back the way we did one and two so I think would be a lot better people are getting so much in this violence stuff. Who's killing who and what little crazy

Jeff Dwoskin 25:41

yeah, they got they got a little dark.

Jack O'Halloran 25:43

Oh, did they get darker and darker all the time?

Jeff Dwoskin 25:45

That'd be fun to see you and Christopher together again.

Jack O'Halloran 25:48

Oh, I mean, can you imagine t he fan base seeing Christopher Reeve come back file

Jeff Dwoskin 25:53

is Chris varies family do you have to get their permission or how does that even work?

Jack O'Halloran 25:57

Oh, I think there would be no problem at all that I don't see that as any problem having happened family not have any bit of problem why would you want to you wouldn't turn down the notoriety of of it. You wouldn't turn down the money from so true.

Jeff Dwoskin 26:11

True. True,

Jack O'Halloran 26:12

would you Why would it be a problem? You know, and I am sure that they would rather see a Christopher Superman than the dark Superman's at the sea.

Jeff Dwoskin 26:20

That's the direction the game plays Superman. Now he's he's actually gonna he could play a light Superman. They just that's a choice. That is a choice.

Jack O'Halloran 26:28

Because Henry's Henry's has a good look. Yeah, Richard Donner got a performance out of Christopher and Chris, listen to him. It's gonna be very hard to find somebody who transformed from Superman Clark Kent, the way Christopher did. He just did it. So well.

Jeff Dwoskin 26:43

Yeah, I totally

Jack O'Halloran 26:46

know he had the look down and he didn't push any wasn't that was you didn't catch him acting. I mean, he was like, very, very realistic. He did. Donner got a great performance out of it. I give that to Donna. Donna and Mankiewicz both talked to him to blue in the face.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:01

They they got down it puts out tons of great stuff. So he's definitely

Jack O'Halloran 27:06

a great director.

Jeff Dwoskin 27:07

So is there any other Superman story you've never told that you could think of there would be like, Oh, this was cool. Or you want to talk about something else? We could talk about something else.

Jack O'Halloran 27:17

There was so many stories on Superman with Valerie prine and oh my god, they were funny things that happened every day. It was such a joy to work with that movie was still value was a trip value that beautiful woman might god she played the role through teams really well. She did. A great film Valerie has helped her career tremendously and she and she's such a super lady. She's not very healthy today. But God bless her she been around the block a long time ever see dragon? Have you seen dragnet?

Jeff Dwoskin 27:48

I've seen dragnet What was it like working with Oh.

Jack O'Halloran 27:52

You could watch dragnet 100 times and you still would not get all the one liners that Danny throughout that movie. He had that ear plug in his year and it was jack Webb kept talking in his ears. I mean, he had it down so cool. Tom Hanks was a breakout movie for Hank. Tom's a treasure to work with. Again. It was a great cast worked out very well. We had a good time doing it. We really?

Jeff Dwoskin 28:15

It must have been a blast. Better than Dan Ackroyd no one's better than Tom Hanks. I mean, those two are like

Jack O'Halloran 28:24

no it was Brett and they work so well together. It really came together really well. And Harry Morgan. There's a guy who was suffering from Alzheimer's disease terrible, but he's still come up with a great performance. I mean, we were doing that shot. We're in the restaurant when they out the preacher trust of a plumber as being the villain. And Harry the scene. We've seen him outside when he's talking. We lost them. He wandered off. They couldn't find him. He took a walkabout for the Alzheimers disease. He forgot where he was. For Harry. God bless him. But he's still finished a movie. That's a what a trooper.

Jeff Dwoskin 28:57

Seriously what a trooper

Jack O'Halloran 28:59

was a fun movie to do. And with good entertainment. I did. I did a picture that I really liked and it's sad that they never had the money to promote it properly. The Baltimore bullet was a good picture with Omar Sharif, Timmy Coburn, and was Bruce boxleitner. His first movie guy we had a ball doing that we shot we actually shot the nine ball tournament at MGM that year we had every pool hustler in America was in the movie, Moscone everybody. That was a fun movie to do. Omar Sharif is a brilliant guy to work with. Very lucky in my career, I've worked with some really superb actors

Jeff Dwoskin 29:33

aver to some real heavy hitters Robert Mitchum Brando, Surrey Farewell,

Jack O'Halloran 29:37

my lovely I don't know if you've ever seen it, but if you haven't, you should give it away. It's it's a very good movie.

Jeff Dwoskin 29:43

I'm going to

Jack O'Halloran 29:44

again with another great cast, you know, john Ireland's in Charlotte Rampling and Howard Dean Stanton, Anthony servi. Can you talk about some key actors,

Jeff Dwoskin 29:53

thinking of key actors? What was it like working with David Hasselhoff on nightrider

Jack O'Halloran 29:58

hahaha David was a nice kid. He really was easy. He was he was music night right? It was a good show for

Jeff Dwoskin 30:05

love night writer. I

Jack O'Halloran 30:06

don't think he did much other than

Jeff Dwoskin 30:08

he had a little Baywatch gone there.

Jack O'Halloran 30:10

Baywatch? Yeah, Baywatch workflow and then they write it was a good series for him.

Jeff Dwoskin 30:15

And then of course, he had a star starring role in sharpening one of the shark NATO movies. So that was, I love the half.

Jack O'Halloran 30:23

I didn't like television too much. I did it because people asked me to do a favor for them. And I was always working. I was always doing films. And I one time I was supposed to do a Lindsey Wagner's show, the bionic woman went over to Universal to see the director. And when they call my agent, my agent said, you realize that he does not read for people who wanted to do it, or you know, he's not gonna come in and read. And they say, Oh, no, we just want to meet him and all that stuff. So I went over and sat down with these guys universal, and the guy gave me a script and I had my hand the director community cheese, would you read this for me? And I saw I read it like a magazine article? And he said, No, no, he said, was your reader for me? And I said, let me ask you a question. I said, I'm sitting here because you evidently like something that I did. So we loved your film. Oh, my God, Pharaoh, I love it brilliant, is that I said, Well, if you know what I can do on screen, if you're asking me Do I like this part? And when I do it, well, I tell you that I will do it better than anybody in this town. But I'm not a monkey that you hold up a treat, and I perform, you want me to do this thing? Oh, let's get on with it. And I'd be loved to do the like, wins Lindsey a lot. And I think he's have a great show. And, you know, when you make up your mind, give me a call. I got up and left. The guy couldn't believe I left the call. My agent said he walked out and Meyer said, I told you he doesn't read for people. So why would you put him on to that? Well, well, you know, so televisions, they take their time choosing people to do different parts on guest shots and they waited until the last minute and then they call call my agent on the phone and they said okay, we're ready to have jack come over for wardrobe and in fact we wanted to do and it was a double part it was like two shows. Meyer said he's not around they guys said what do you mean is not around? He said he's off to London to do a film and the guys who will How long is he going to be gone? He said I'll probably a couple years to do and Superman over there. So Lindsay was furious because I told her I said if the guy would have called us right away I would have made time to I would have done the show for you before I went to London we went over and and got prepared to do Superman and I said but I would have squeezed it in for you because I liked her and she was so oh my gosh she told me she was like that they wait and that's one of the reasons I don't like wait till last minute any bacon like you're doing them such a favor. Sounds

Jeff Dwoskin 32:45

like you don't need them jack so and one of the articles I read about you you believe that Sylvester Stallone based rocky on you?

Jack O'Halloran 32:53

I know he did. We were doing Farewell my lovely and he came out with Joe spin l who's in Farewell my love when he was in Rocky Joe spinto was a funny guy he had he had a crew of actors that when a picture needed to fill parts up like little parts he would bring them into into California. And that's what he did with with Farewell my lovely he brought Stallone he brought Chairman Jimmy archers, brother fighters brother came out to me Archer was there that was about four or five and Stallone was getting ready to do his boxing picture. So he sat down with me every day picking my brain he'd never really been to Philadelphia describe Philly, the waterfront, I was involved in organized crime and I was a gangster fighter to my career was I would fight every three days or whatever. He listened to me intently. He says he did part of it was the bleeder Chuck wepner from Newark check was never Philadelphia in the gym that I worked out in he made it the same way inside although was actually down in South Philly he put it up in North Philly to change a couple things around but how the gym when you walked in the door and it went all the steps and everything was exactly how he was on the third floor. And uh, we used to walk up every day. He lived in South Philly we put the gym in North Philly, which is ridiculous. He did things to try to avert whatever make it look like. And I was signed to find out late four times and he just ate up every story I told him. He came down every day is drive me crazy. Sit down. Oh Tell me about this tell you about that dog. And the whole waterfront of him collect the money. I told him all about how that gangster shit worked out there in Philadelphia and stuff, but that's fine.

Jeff Dwoskin 34:35

Did you ever see him after

Jack O'Halloran 34:37

he called me up to do part in one of the rocky movies, two or three. I went over to MGM and saw he had a platform under his desk so it looked like he was taller. And I remember when I walked in and saw your lips or something in your shoes man trying to give the appearance he was much taller. He's a good kid he gave us and worked out good for him but he didn't come from where He makes people believe he came from the streets and everything. His mother was married to a serious, wise guy. He was educated and went to Switzerland to school and stuff like that. But he had like a twitch palsy in his face, which even that smirky look. I mean, you know, he did a great job with with Rocky and it worked out. Well. God bless God bless him. I think Wagner sued him and I think what they got they got some money. Oh, really? I mean, did he use his life? You know,

Jeff Dwoskin 35:26

who did finally in the comic books, Superman. Maybe that was, maybe they were in the back of your head. You knew that. And that's why you're mad at Chris for that one time. If a man gotta find him.

Jack O'Halloran 35:41

I never knew. He actually they actually had a comic book. I was in fighting alley.

Jeff Dwoskin 35:45

Yeah, I'll send you send you a link to it. Yeah,

Jack O'Halloran 35:50

first time I ever heard that. It was a great guy. I liked a lot. He and I had a lot of laughs In fact, when I was when I beat the kid in Detroit, Louis, I went up to his camp in Pennsylvania, to Lake to see him. All the reporters were up and stuff. And we went into a room a locker room and shut the door and we were laughing like it. were kicking the door, punch in the door. Like we were having this big scuffle in the room. Everybody thought we were in there beating the hell out of each other. He's laughing He said, watch out. What's the reaction? These guys Jack . We open the door. They all had the ears like thinking, they're gonna see the spectacular spectacular. So he said to me, he said we sat down eat dinner and he said, jack, he said if I give you a title fight, will you really try and beat me? And I said I'll tell you what's the very first time in my career I will go away to camp like you do. And when you come in that ring, you better bring a gun with you because you're in trouble. And he says to steaks, please. He was a fun guy Ali was a great athlete, he to be great in any sport he ever did.

Jeff Dwoskin 36:58

You did find George Foreman who later went on to make some amazing grills for

Jack O'Halloran 37:03

foreman fine I took one on like seven day notice I had beat manual ramas in LA then no one would fight me anymore. I just I've been in Africa and I came back from Africa that I beat ramas and nobody had happened to me twice. I was in New Jersey one time and they called me up to get in a fight a kid named Terry Daniels in Houston Texas. He was ranked like fourth or fifth in the world and they were looking for a white guy to fight Frazier for the title and used to he called move excuse he called me said you want to find Terry downs and use and I said sure positively semi take I got off the plane and he said oh my god, you're in shape. I said watch you're supposed to be in shape when you come to fight now what's the deal? And I destroyed Terry down. The third round they stopped the fight they stopped in the first round but they I destroyed how went right to him and just took care of business. So I was flying back to Philly on the plane with yank dorm who's Frazier's manager. And he said you want to fight Frazier in use? And I said, Come on, man. He said you beat one more good fighter. You can have the Frazier fight. That's not to tell you what I'll do one better. You named the place the time and the fighter send me a ticket. I'll be he said you serious. I said, you name the fighter place in the time. Send me take it. I'll be there. This caught me up two weeks later in a fight Cleveland Williams in Houston, Texas. Cleveland was a ranked fighter. Very tough guy. And that was his hometown. So I went to Houston and I stayed in pretty good shape. Boy, thank God I did. And I went down to use and I beat him 10 out of 10 Terry Daniels got the phrase, you're fighting Cleveland for George Chevelle on the same card. Nobody would fight me again. We're all ran the other way. Every time I got in shape. People just ran the other way.

Jeff Dwoskin 38:46

Whatever. I'm not getting the ring with either jack. Yeah.

Jack O'Halloran 38:50

I tell you a funny story. And a really funny story. I was in Boston, and I had a lot of like smoker fights up there as well that aren't even on my head like 25, knockouts, different fights, they would hold these fights in different arenas and stuff. They were loose little shows that this promoter Sam silver had him all over the place. Every weekend, one or two fights somewhere, and they call me on the phone. He said, You've come to fight tonight. And I said yeah, man, she's bringing a good bring your gear. I said, What What are you talking about? Bring your gear with you shoes and cup and stuff. I said, Listen, we're really short about you fight this guy. And I said, Well, you got to manage this. Man Do you use different names for the different days all over the place? And I was fighting this guy down at the track and outside of Boston, he's to run a showdown in some fighting this guy and the guy comes out of the dressing room and he saw who was in the ring. refused. He refused to get in the ring. I'm not kidding during the day. People crazy who didn't tell me who was fighting because they gave me Sunday fictitious name headache, guys in no way have

Jeff Dwoskin 39:58

you said I was fighting chance Yes and I'm scared and jackal hell. No.

Jack O'Halloran 40:04

I left a

Jeff Dwoskin 40:05

comment that is funny. I want to talk about your book, family legacy

Jack O'Halloran 40:09

family legacy is the site family legacy, the novel.com book family legacies about my father. Father was a famous guy called Albert Anastasia, he was head of Murder Inc. and he was the Gambino family was the Anastasia family before he died in 57. And they turned it into the Gambino family was called Gambino was his Thunderbolt. So I I wrote a book it tells about in the beginning, when when everybody came in from Italy and everything and they put their things together. The partnerships in the country were between the government, industry unions and organized crime. We're all partners. They all watch each other's back, because the money that they made, and there was no drug business, and they weren't in the drug business. They were in gambling and extortion and loan sharking. So you had to have money to pay him. So he created jobs. So he put a lot of money back into the infrastructure of the country to create a lot of jobs with the unions. My father ran the waterfront. And a lot of people went to work, everybody made money. It was a different scenario all together. Nobody ever talks about that. They always talk about the mafia organized crime. So I wrote the book about my father's death and 57. And, and I end the book with Kennedy's death in 62. And I tell the truth about what happened to jack kennedy, why he died and who died and who did what, and it's it's a very good read, you know, like,

Jeff Dwoskin 41:36

Can you share any Kennedy tidbits with us? How do you know firsthand,

Jack O'Halloran 41:41

I was there I was in Dallas, I was there the night before is that what they called? Clint Murchison Jr. had a party in his house. It was called the Egyptian Knights. It was a tribute to Hoover. Meyer Lansky arranged for me to go to this party because I went there on the premise that I was going to play football for the Dallas Cowboys and Murchison Jr. owned the Dallas Cowboys. So I was being introduced to him. And it was to go and see all the people who were there. And I saw Johnson, I saw everybody and I listened to a lot of things that were going on. And I met a guy named McCoy, who was the banker in America. The next day, the I saw, I was out running in the morning and I

and Johnny roselli was running in the same Park, that you got to leave town and say you shouldn't be you need to get out of town that was arranging to do that anyway. But you have to ask yourself a couple questions. Who was the one person that was responsible for jack Kennedy's death, if you really sat down and looked at it was his father, who was his father made so many enemies of people, and his father would have rather seen jack die the way he died, and him die of a disease and jack kennedy was not going to live out his term. He was extremely ill suffered from Addison's disease very bad, which was the deterioration of the spinal cord, and syphilis. He had four diseases. And they used to shoot him up every day, just so he could walk around. And I liked jack jack was a hell of a guy. He was a hell of a politician for people went to see his brother who was the top cop in the country at the time he was the Attorney General. And for people including Adlai Stevenson went to see him and tell him to not let your brother go to Dallas, the animosity is horrendous. And there were so many different entities that were provoked into a situation. You had the Bay of Pigs that happened, which a lot of kids got innocently killed. That was because of Joe Kennedy. And you had the oil people of Dallas of Texas period, when jack was running for nomination, HL hunt went out to LA gave it suitcase full of money to jack kennedy to Joe Kennedy, for Johnson to run as vice president. And you had a teamsters that they were harassing office, something terrible, Bobby Kennedy was, and the reason was because when when jack was running for president in the beginning, and went to Joe Kennedy was controlled by Chicago. So you got to go all the way back to prohibition don't understand that story. Why he was controlling all those years by Chicago. And he went to GE comma in Chicago, and he said that I promise you both my sons yours if you help us get elected, and Meyer Lansky, people in New York said what do we need Joe Kennedy jack kennedy for we have Nixon is already in our pocket. What do we need the other guy to convince them that this was a good play, but that so when he was getting nominated, Joe Kennedy told Giancana up got all the electoral votes were all sewed up. No problem. We got the election in the bag. Well, after the first one and a half days that they were in LA he called up and he said, we got a problem. We don't have as many electoral votes as we thought for the very first time Chicago went democrat and two other states around with democrat and after the third day He called again and he said, Well, we're still short. And there's only one state, they can put us across the line. The state of West Virginia, and because of the mining is such a little state, but they had a tremendous amount of electorial vote, because of the money that was down there and mining and everything, coal and all that stuff. So Jean kind of made a couple phone calls to Bobby to the Cellini family and who owns some casinos in West Virginia. And so that was excused, though, just Virginia raised their hand, and he got nominated. And when he was running for president, if you you're a little young, I don't know if you realize how close the race was with Nixon. Well, there were dead people in Detroit, in your town, and Chicago, both that voted 20 times, and they were dead. So they got enough polls, he won by a squeaker was a very close race. Maybe because President as soon as he becomes president, his father tells him make your brother, Attorney General, Bobby came Attorney General. And Joe said, put all my good friends in jail, meaning to incarnate mafia, everybody who went after everybody. He turned around, he said to those people down in Texas, there was Well, guys, they're making a tremendous amount of money on a subject called surplus oil. They're not paying any tax on it. And you need to float a tax on their surplus oil business. So that tax cost them two to $300 million a year. That didn't make them a little bit pissed off. The fact that Joe Kennedy was underwriting Castro, and putting money into Cuba was not a happy puppy. That's why the Bay of Pigs happened and other missile do the whole nine yards. So you had a lot of people very, very angry. But nobody was angrier than the bankers of Geneva because of the crash of 29. That made some people extremely angry, wealthy people, because in 1926, like I said, Kennedy was under the thumb to Chicago, they sent him out to Hollywood, because they controlled the film industry through the cinematographers union. And they had him put together a distribution deal for arcaos. So in 1926, he the Hamilton club in Illinois, was powerful like the New York Athletic Club for New York with political strong, and they sat Joe down, they said, We want you to do something for us. And he did a short sell against pathi newsreel. And they stole $5 million in broad daylight, and no one ever saw it. So they say, wow, you know, that's pretty clever. You can do what we really want to do. And they formed a short sell that was aimed at 1230 companies in Europe. The reason they did it was because we after World War One, we became a war bearing country, we started manufacturing war goods, and we were taking jobs away from Europe. That's where all the war materials and stuff were made prior to not only that, but Europe was a little bit disgusted that we weren't paying back as much as we should because they underwrote this country in the very beginning, the first bank that was ever putting America only a million dollars came from America. 10 million came from Europe. And every year thereafter, Europe supplied money. It's still today. 31 or 32% of the outside funding comes through London via Geneva. So they were 30 companies that were aimed at and to Kenya three did his little trick with effect. They said to him, what's your structure this thing? So he put this short sell aimed at these companies. One of the companies was a company owned by blackjack Bouvier and his father and his uncle. That was Jackie Kennedy's father, Jackie Kennedy, five of blackjack bogey, and they went bankrupt. And it was a Rothschild company that they they ran. So a lot of people very angry, short, sell, worked. They all made a lot of money. And they took a day off that they were going to wait and come back and finish it. And in the interest of the country panic and the crash app, they didn't do it to deliberately make the crash. It just was a remnants of what they did. They overdid the short sell, understand. When the crash ended and 30 Roosevelt said to Phil Kennedy, boy, he did a great job, kid, you know what we're gonna make you head of the SEC, because he knew Europe had to reinvest back in the country to get their money back. But they wanted to do it under different rules. And Joe Kennedy wrote the rules that they wanted to have done, Europe, reinvested in the country, but they were not happy puppies at all. Not at all. And they never forgot. They were part of the contribution of all the people who were angry. He gave them a clear vein of how to do something. And there was young Joe Kennedy was the first person that his father wanted to be president united states. And he was a tremendous pilot, and he was mustering out of the service. He was like 10 days away from leaving Europe to come home. And they had devised the plane that was going to be like a kamikaze plane and fly it into the munition factories of Germany to end the war. And he talked to Kennedy into test pilot This plane. And when he went up to test pilot the plane blew up and he was dead. And a week later they scrapped the whole thing. Joe Kennedy had already been thrown out of England. When he went to Europe. He got together to shop around, they put a bank together, they were lending money to Hitler. Hitler came back the same crew they had Khashoggi they were selling weapons. And he didn't think he was doing anything wrong because America wasn't in the warrior with England said, Wait a minute, you're contributing to our enemy. And he threw him out. And nobody knew why he came home. Because there was no television. The radio stations roamed by the merchants and family of papers from the East Coast room by the gore family in Indiana, and he was already in bed with her and offers in the West Coast. So no one ever printed any stories as to why Joe Kennedy left England. He just came home as Ambassador Joe Kennedy started to parlay what he was going to do to make his son president. And then when that happened, tragedy happened. And he said, Well, we're gonna meet jack president and he went to Chicago sat down to try and reassure that his second son wouldn't die, you know, and then a Bobby D croaked and they and they disgraced Teddy with the projecting thing with a lady that girl die. He said another Kenny would never cross the White House doors again. And they never did you ever look up history? If you go into the library, you'll find the answers what we just talked about. They're all there is nobody ever season. They were never printed. Right. Kenny dynasty. The old thing about the Camelot thing was horseshoe jack and Jackie Jackie was groomed to marry jack kennedy was her mother one on her money back. They both carried on in their marriage so badly that Joe Kennedy was he knew jack was a senator and he knew he was going to go for president. He gave Jackie $10 million to stay in America. That's public knowledge. He gave her 10 million to stay in America to make this Camelot appearance. They were the happiest Catholic family had the first Catholic president and all of a sudden the truth of the matter is the things that happened happened and and everything was was swept under the bridge and you know, when when that when that Kennedy was killed, and jack Ruby mean Oswald was a total Patsy. The Harvey Oswald was his mother was was a prostitute. She was hooked up with a guy in New Orleans who worked for Carlos was selling the Harvey eyes roll thought he was going to be a speak time spy he worked for Naval Intelligence when he was a kid they had to was not polite to be gay in the military. And he had clubs in Dallas and New Orleans and all these service guys used to go there and they were gay clubs. And Oswald was there with a microphone or a steel and he would talk to all these Captain on up military hotshot and and they were blackmailing them all he thought he was going to become this great spy so this guy George the morn child and a guy named a brooder. were two white Russians. He came to New York and a garment district from Ireland schema Corbin millions and Dallas, Texas they set up shop in Texas and the morn child used to date Jackie Kennedy Sister, I mean check Kenny's on. She's calling Uncle George when she was a kid, he taught as well Russian. He introduced as well to the KGB one that he married as well went to Russia. And because he couldn't keep his mouth shut and they bugged every apartment he was in a one have thrown him out because he was he had big mouth. So they threw it out and he was a no show come home he was boom, was a bust out. So they groomed him for what happened at Dealey Plaza. First of all, he wasn't even in the window when the shots were fired Dealey Plaza. And the whole one booth area is total rubbish. You know anything about guns at all to take a mailorder rifle and you're going to shoot a shot of 1000 feet or better. You have to take the variables in the wind during the wind and Dealey Plaza was terrible. You had a car that was moving on a decline. You had the wind, the trees, the signs, and you have a guy supposedly, when a sharpshooter is taking a shot of that nature, he has to take in all the variables, he has to arrest his heart down below 60 because your pulses in your finger and to take three shots in 28 seconds with a male or a gun forget about ain't never happen with any accuracy and you're shooting from that window and required or didn't pass the window. So if the shot the one bullet theory was true, that means it would have went in the back of Kennedy's head, not the first shot that he Kennedy hit him in the throat where he grabbed his throat that fell down on top of Conley second shot hit him in the back lower back that no one talked about for 10 years. And then the third shot the driver just turned around and took it and you see Kenny fly backwards back to his head. And Greer was driving his car and on his deathbed. He he attested to that that he took that shot. This is a brooder footage that you've seen at eight frames later came in division that showed the driver taking the shot and he was in webcams already didn't see this or that all happened in 28 seconds. You Got 13 shots fired that day, and people were scrambling all over the place. I understand.

Jeff Dwoskin 55:05

Yeah, sorry. My silence is shocking are they fastened just

Jack O'Halloran 55:11

you're talking about the first shot came from a cauldron in the side of the street, and the cauldron went from the river to the street news big enough for me to walk down. today. It's all since cemented in. The year after that happened they cemented that it took him six months to reroute down Dealey Plaza, his visit for people including at least humans, he went to Bobby and said, Don't let your brother go to Dallas animosities terrible. badly. Stephen said they were spitting at me in Houston. Here you got the present in an open car in front of the building with people with the windows open walking around. Do you think the Secret Service will allow anything like that? That's insanity? Understand? Oh, yeah, all the variables that happened that day, which is phenomenal. And it was all brushed under the under the carpet warranty commission was totally bullshit. The one bullet theory was bullshit. There's no way it was a one bullet tale. And the autopsy that was done was done by interns. Then they flew up to Washington where real people did an autopsy. And that wasn't the vault for five years till afterwards. And they proved that he had been shot in the throat. And he was packed the pieces cap over his face in Dallas took pictures to say, Oh, no, he was shot from behind wasn't shot body has it back your head blow out and leave it as well was even in the building. It was a jail right across from the building prisoners looking straight at the window. And there were two dark complected guys who were Cubans and one white guy in the window. And it was an azo the whole thing was such a put together conspiracy. And every 10 years more of it comes out. And truth comes out slower and slower.

Jeff Dwoskin 56:50

Is the full truth in the book or pieces of it or

Jack O'Halloran 56:54

Yeah, I don't know if you ever watched how Ruby shot Oswald ever saw that footage?

Jeff Dwoskin 57:00

I think I have. Yeah.

Jack O'Halloran 57:01

Okay. Well, Ruby, first of all, they let him under in that building with a gun Come on. And the President and the killer the President is going to be bled out by police. And when they let him out of the room, the police that were stood next to him stepped away from him. Like he knew Ruby was coming to take a shot. And the other part is that here they had the guy who killed the president united states, who was not one set of documents on questioning of him. There were no tape recordings. Nothing. This guy supposedly killed the president because he knew he was gonna die.

Jeff Dwoskin 57:32

It's an incredible cover, isn't it? Yeah, it's just amazing to me. Where was Oliver Stone when he was making his phone? Wait, what was he missing?

Jack O'Halloran 57:42

People do what they're told to do. Whereas Hollywood period when he just did a movie called The Irishman you seen that?

Jeff Dwoskin 57:48

Yes, I saw 17 hours.

Jack O'Halloran 57:50

I knew Frank Sheeran very well. Thanks. Sharon was a driver of hoffa. He never killed hoffa, and he never killed Joey Gallo. Did he ever kill people as he did kill the fuse a Hitler killed a couple people. They wrote a book about painting houses that was about him killing people but he did not kill often he did not kill Joey Gallo. Their stories that Hollywood never had answers to so they just made up their own

Jeff Dwoskin 58:11

den Frank Sharon's lawyer right the paint the house spoke at the movies based on and the lawyer claims he kept talking

Jack O'Halloran 58:19

about you talking about Russell buffalo he knows nephew, Billy and he was half his lawyer and Russell Sheeran work for Russell Russell. I knew Russell well, Russell in western Pennsylvania was very politically connected with Washington. Russell ever saw that movie he turned over in his grave. You know, they just Hollywood took liberties and did what they wanted to do. Like I said, a new shirt very well. I know. Damn right. Well, I didn't kill off. That never happened,

Jeff Dwoskin 58:45

you know or half is because you know, I'm from Detroit. So that's a big deal for us here. Marcus. red fox is where he was last seen. That's they will never miles from my house.

Jack O'Halloran 58:53

They will never ever find Jimmy Hoffa. He's not buried anywhere. I'll tell you that right now. And the other part is that the mean there was a guy from Detroit is a funny story. It was a guy from Detroit doing time. And his father lived right outside of Detroit out by three mile. He had a little gentleman's farm out there. The kid did all the work, you know, with father couldn't do the tilling of the farm. So he told the FBI said, Listen, you want to know how he's buried that? He told him I gave him this piece of land and they went and dug up that guy as far as whole farm, turned on the ground over ever found anything because there was nothing there to find. His father's farm got dug up by the FBI

Jeff Dwoskin 59:42

isn't brilliance there.

Jack O'Halloran 59:43

Jimmy I love Jimmy. I knew Jimmy well. Jimmy was an amazing individual. He never would do any he wouldn't ask you to do whatever he couldn't do himself. And Jimmy's Jimmy's problem was he didn't listen to people when when all this stuff came down and he thought he was Want to go to jail for 30 days or 60 days and be out? You know if you remember a young union, I think you're too young. The day he went to jail, every trucker lined up all the way up to Lewisburg tooting their horns. When he went by, he was on the phone with some people from Boston right before he went to jail and they said, you know, Jimmy, you don't have to go to jail. The teamsters will all walk off their jobs in this country already made a transition from rail to truck who would have paralyzed the country the opposite manner. They think I did the crime all the time. But the whole thing was ludicrous to accuse him of taking $8,000 from a pension fund that he created. There was no pension fund until the point that and they accused him of taking $8,000 to fix his house. Let me tell you some they were contracted to fix this house for nothing. Jimmy Hoffa was loved by a lot of people, especially union people understand

Jeff Dwoskin 1:00:56

Oh, yeah, yeah, I believe that's the one thing I that's one thing I did get out of the Irishman

Jack O'Halloran 1:01:00

a bag the wrong president and that's why he went to jail and where they made him a deal. Why was in jail when he came home. He was not supposed to touch the union, Wrexham and a year and he walked right in the office and threw Fitzsimmons out Fitzsimmons, Fitzsimons was already in the thumb because they had blown up his kids car, scared the shit out of them to the government, the door, he opened the door for the government to come in to the Teamsters. And when Jimmy came home, he thought he was taking his union back. He threw Fitzsimmons out of his office, and he told him, I'm taking my handy, Jimmy, you can't do it. It's all locked up. Whoo hoo, you signed papers, you can't do that. He got on the phone. He made a phone call in New York. And you talked to them a certain person in New York. And he said, I want my union back. And I said, Jimmy, take your time. Everything will be worked out. We'll fix everything. Don't worry about I don't want to hear that bullshit. I want my union. I want it now. That was his attitude. I want this and I want it now. When you people want money from me from my pension fund. I never said no. But every dime they ever he ever lent them for Caesars Palace or anything else that they funded a paid back every single diamond to her no outstanding debts to the mafia, you understand? And without certain people, he would have never risen to where he rose to. So when he just lost it. He said I I want my union back wanted back now. But they kept they kept telling Jimmy you're on the phone. Give it time, it all worked out. And he made a statement. That was the last statement he ever made. And I'll go to the press on the phone that was in the hopper. And I loved him. And Jimmy was a good guy. I liked him a lot. He was a man's man. And it's really sad that it ended that way.

Jeff Dwoskin 1:02:42

You do know where he's buried or you know, oh, yeah,

Jack O'Halloran 1:02:45

I know exactly where that never will be. He's not buried anywhere. I'll say that right now. You'll never find them. And then thank god his sons do I think his son took the team feedback over now is a good kid there. Whoa,

Jeff Dwoskin 1:02:56

jack, you're amazingly fascinating person where they are. Thank you for sharing all those stories with me. I I'm gonna get the book. I'm gonna read the book. No, no. And then you're writing more right? Yeah, we another book coming out. Sounds great. I look forward to that. And then the website again for the family legacy book.

Jack O'Halloran 1:03:16

FamilyLegacyThenovel.com that takes you right to Amazon.

Jeff Dwoskin 1:03:21

Awesome. Jack, thank you so much for spending all this time.

Jack O'Halloran 1:03:25

My pleasure, man. I hope your audience enjoys it.

Jeff Dwoskin 1:03:27

I think they will. I think they definitely will. Thank you again. All right. Oh, amazing. Was that jack O'Halloran. Ladies and gentlemen, what a fascinating person. He is so many amazing stories from the set of Superman one and two. And did you realize when you started listening to an episode of live from Detroit, the Jeff Dwoskin show you totally find out everything behind the JFK assassination? Probably not. But here we are. You're welcome. And I don't care what jack says. I'm gonna keep looking for Jimmy Hoffa. He's somewhere he's got to be somewhere. All right, well, definitely check out jack O'Halloran, his book family legacy and take some time to relive the original Superman one and two, you will believe a man can fly.

Well, here we are nearing the end of Episode 51. You know what that means? As we near the end. That means it's time for another trending hashtag from the family of hashtag roundup games on Twitter. That's right hashtag Roundup, follow us on Twitter at hashtag Roundup, and download the free hashtag roundup app at the Apple Store or Google Play. And you can tweet along with us all day every day and one day one of your tweets may show up on an episode from Detroit: the Jeff Dwoskin show this week's hashtag keeping in theme with jack O'Halloran and supervillain non from Superman hashtag signs your neighbor is a super villain. This is both fun and informative, because you need to know who you're living with. This is brought to you by sci-fi tags a weekly game on hashtag Roundup. Are you ready? Here we go. #SignsYourNeighborIsASuperVillain. He keep finding your neighbor's copy of world domination monthly in your mailbox. Your neighbor keeps telling you how he gave up drinking for good and now drinks for evil. Their pool is full of sharks with laser beams on their head. These are some clear signs your neighbor is a supervillain there's a sign in their yard that says beware of sentinels. your neighbor's name is Karen as he vacuums her driveway at 6am Oh, Karen sounds like one of the worst supervillains ever. Your neighbor has a huge kryptonite stockpile but won't tell you why. Your neighbors always telling you their plans. Then stop inviting them over dinner. Your neighborhood secretly turns out to be your dad all along. No, I am your father. Then why aren't you paying my rent #SignsYourNeighborIsASuperVillain. Your neighbor is constantly wearing a lab coat and always surrounded by henchmen. And of course the clearest giveaway that your neighbor is a supervillain they have a roommate exactly 1/8 their size. Oh, and those are some #SignsYourNeighborIsASuperVillain. All the tweets that I read will be retweeted at Jeff Dwoskin show on Twitter and listed in the show notes. Go give them some love retweet them. I can't believe we're at the end of yet another Episode Episode 51 has come and gone. I want to thank again my amazing guests. JACK O'Halloran for stopping by. I want to thank all of you for stopping by week after week. I can't thank you enough means the world to me, and I'll see you next week.

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